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Tue Apr-20-10 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #85 |
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of firearm owners, the records are purged every, what is it 30 days? I thought the NICS was a mistake when enacted....gun registry and all. Since I have used the system and find it completely acceptable and has been quite effective as long as the records are purged, which they are.
This is a state by state issue, DLs aren't federal, nor should they be IMHO. Why not just a foid card like IL? The overwhelming majority of people would feel that carrying around a scarlet letter whether on the face of or encoded in your dl info is unacceptable. This would require a DL program each time someone becomes ineligible regardless the reason which I find patently offensive from a civil liberties standpoint.
Again this is simple. The system is already there. It is already funded at the federal level. The authority as the licensing agents for ffl dealers allows for a very simple enactment of ffl license law requiring ffl dealers to conduct private sale nics checks for a small fee which the ffl keeps entirely, say $20. No matter the solution we must agree that this is a state issue, not a federal issue? Right now every single state in the country is HURTING for money. The system you are talking about would cost millions at the state level to accomplish. It simply isn't even reasonable to expect this will ever happen beyond some state passing some similar system, but I can tell you my state isn't looking for a way to spend more..
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| -My answer to the gun show "loophole" |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:20 PM |
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Good idea.. |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-19-10 05:28 PM |
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Fred Meyer here sells .38 specials in pink and lavendar. i asked |
roguevalley |
Apr-19-10 11:24 PM |
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You will still need the NICS check. |
PavePusher |
Apr-20-10 11:07 AM |
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He probably didn't bother explaining the 4473 and NICS check |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 11:16 AM |
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That is what you need to bring to the store, yes |
Euromutt |
Apr-20-10 07:50 PM |
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I can hear it now... |
DAMANgoldberg |
Apr-19-10 05:30 PM |
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So far none of the gun owners on DU have an issue with that approach |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:52 PM |
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Or just make the system open to the public and free of charge. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:26 PM |
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Free ? |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-20-10 09:07 PM |
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Free would be bad. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-20-10 11:56 PM |
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What the OP proposes is more sweeping than a "gun show loophole closure"... |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:15 AM |
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A gun show is simply a breeding ground for the next Timothy McVeigh. |
onehandle |
Apr-19-10 05:35 PM |
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I shouldn't be surprised that you completely missed the point |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:44 PM |
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Nothing wrong with a mandatory, inexpensive registered transfer |
safeinOhio |
Apr-19-10 06:32 PM |
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I'm not aware of that issue having ever been taken up by the courts |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:38 PM |
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Filling out a 4473 isn't "registration". |
jeepnstein |
Apr-20-10 08:40 AM |
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SO we should ban gun shows, guns, or Diesel Fuel and Fertilizer. |
Pavulon |
Apr-19-10 05:45 PM |
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P.S. |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:53 PM |
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Your bigotry seems to be "open carry". n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:27 PM |
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Tell it like it is, Rosa Parks! nt |
onehandle |
Apr-20-10 08:41 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-20-10 07:53 AM |
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Gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected right |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 09:51 AM |
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Well, maybe it's time to change the Constitution |
h9socialist |
Apr-20-10 12:37 PM |
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Well ownership of weapons has historically |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 12:43 PM |
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Yeah, good luck with that. |
proteus_lives |
Apr-21-10 12:35 AM |
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Any thirteen states can block a Constitutional amendment. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-22-10 10:31 AM |
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What would be wrong with a left-wing insurrection, if needed? |
PavePusher |
Apr-20-10 11:09 AM |
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Not 3rd Grade . . . just accurate . . . |
h9socialist |
Apr-20-10 12:32 PM |
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Gandhi did not proscribe ownership or use of firearms in self-defense. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-20-10 05:53 PM |
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Which was the point I was trying to make . . . |
h9socialist |
Apr-21-10 07:38 AM |
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Oops, my bad. Sorry for the misunderstanding. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-21-10 07:01 PM |
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No problem . . . |
h9socialist |
Apr-22-10 02:53 PM |
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Wow, you should read Gandhi more closely... |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:28 AM |
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It is important to understand |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-21-10 12:16 AM |
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And how many people have visited gun shows in the intervening 15 years? |
Euromutt |
Apr-21-10 07:36 AM |
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The meteorologist has spoken with... mixed wildlife metaphors? nt |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:20 AM |
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Anyone can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. That's called a loophole. |
baldguy |
Apr-19-10 05:36 PM |
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One day of the month people sell guns at shows |
hack89 |
Apr-19-10 05:41 PM |
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Then they can sell it at the Dennys parking lot across the street from the gunshow. |
Statistical |
Apr-19-10 05:44 PM |
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What if you are an active duty military member who is suddenly mobilized? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:48 PM |
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False as to fact |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-19-10 06:51 PM |
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There is no loophole. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-19-10 09:13 PM |
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It is not a loophole. |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:29 PM |
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You're just adjusting the existing reporting/licensing requirement. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-20-10 10:33 AM |
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I love how "complying with the law" has become a "loophole." |
Callisto32 |
Apr-20-10 10:55 AM |
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A loophole is generally accidental. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-20-10 06:57 PM |
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Correction... |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:35 AM |
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Apparently I can't rec my own threads |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:53 PM |
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No, but I can and did rec it. I wonder who is un-recommending this thread... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:05 PM |
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Why on Earth would anyone have a problem with this approach? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:15 PM |
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Some who post here talk about "sensible" gun control law ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:45 PM |
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Lately they've given up on subtlety |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:49 PM |
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Sometimes when I come here, I just shake my head in disbelief... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:54 PM |
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Still at zero recs |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:57 PM |
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Give it 24 hours ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 07:01 PM |
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I just figured out how to do the recommend thingy...was reading in General Posts earlier some scary |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 07:05 PM |
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Damnit man, I can only rec once! |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:34 PM |
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You wouldn't be referring to this former DU member would you? |
Hoopla Phil |
Apr-19-10 08:38 PM |
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Nope, not this time |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 08:44 PM |
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Smurfette... |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:32 PM |
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Ahh, another old hand |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 10:46 PM |
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Yeah...I don't think it was much of an attempt communication, actually. |
Callisto32 |
Apr-20-10 11:03 AM |
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You have nailed her I see |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 11:21 AM |
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My current approach to selling firearms ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:04 PM |
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The idea has come up before here, I am positive it did not originate with me |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:12 PM |
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In some states, you have to display a special license tag ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:52 PM |
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A problem with private access to the database |
DissedByBush |
Apr-19-10 07:06 PM |
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But doesn't the database only contain names of those who have already forfeited some part of |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 07:11 PM |
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If it were totally open |
DissedByBush |
Apr-19-10 07:55 PM |
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A personal appearance at a ffl dealer |
pipoman |
Apr-19-10 08:13 PM |
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There are a few states, Texas is one |
oneshooter |
Apr-19-10 07:23 PM |
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Interesting. I didn't know that. (n/t) |
spin |
Apr-19-10 10:41 PM |
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I just don't sell guns to anyone. |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-22-10 12:26 PM |
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There is opposition to your excellent suggestion from those who do not really want a simple solution |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 06:50 PM |
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The opposition I have seen here and elsewhere |
pipoman |
Apr-19-10 08:19 PM |
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Or want only one particular response to the "problem" |
Euromutt |
Apr-20-10 06:14 PM |
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Yes Yes |
jaksavage |
Apr-19-10 07:07 PM |
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No, no, no! We need separate boxes for those and more for |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 07:13 PM |
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Have the public schools gotten so bad |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-19-10 09:19 PM |
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K & R |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-19-10 07:37 PM |
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The answer to the problem is simple |
pipoman |
Apr-19-10 07:44 PM |
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Unrec |
katandmoon |
Apr-19-10 08:42 PM |
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For what reason? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 08:47 PM |
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Oh. You again... n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:39 PM |
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k&r n/t |
appal_jack |
Apr-19-10 09:16 PM |
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LOL! Yeah. Gunbaggers would love having their driver's licenses 'marked.' |
onehandle |
Apr-19-10 09:30 PM |
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So do you have a solution to the problem? (n/t) |
spin |
Apr-19-10 10:29 PM |
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What's funny is that |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 10:52 PM |
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What does this even mean? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 10:47 PM |
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She was fun to debate ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 11:24 PM |
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"What does this post mean?" |
jazzhound |
Apr-20-10 02:02 AM |
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Solution: Mark everyone's |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 12:04 PM |
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aaand there's the second poster confirming that some do not *want* a solution. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-20-10 12:28 PM |
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You know there's a digital mark in State Patrol DB's showing drivers with CPL's right? |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-20-10 03:35 PM |
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My opinion on this system. |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 12:13 PM |
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Only change I'd make is telephone instead of visiting an FFL/PD. n/t |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 12:42 PM |
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Can't see it. |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 08:50 PM |
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My problem with visiting an FFL/PD is that.. |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 09:05 PM |
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I don't trust the government not to keep it. |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 09:09 PM |
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Now you're talking. (Post office / dmv) |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 09:25 PM |
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A post office is a federal office |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 10:00 PM |
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My rural post office was also a general store. :) |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 10:05 PM |
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I suppose there are |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 10:26 PM |
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DMV is pretty accessible in the states I've lived in. |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 10:30 PM |
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Why not just use NICS? |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 10:43 PM |
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No need to go to a third party. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-21-10 12:00 AM |
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You just made a federal firearms registry. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:03 PM |
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Gun data is not included in the NICS check. Buyer data only. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-22-10 01:18 AM |
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Incorrect. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 10:56 AM |
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Form 4473 is not NICS. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-22-10 08:29 PM |
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Err.. not sure about that.. |
X_Digger |
Apr-22-10 08:34 PM |
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No one is proposing getting rid of NICS. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:03 PM |
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I'm still not seeing the utility |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 10:36 PM |
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Well that's becasue the idea is to not restrict private sales |
tburnsten |
Apr-21-10 11:34 PM |
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You don't have places which sell guns in your area? |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:42 PM |
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Yes, there are reasonably priced FFLs in my region |
tburnsten |
Apr-22-10 12:49 AM |
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That has always been part of the solution IMO, |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 06:41 AM |
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Sometimes I forget what it's like to have a real conversation on the intarwebz |
tburnsten |
Apr-22-10 06:56 AM |
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I do believe we agree that this issue |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:43 AM |
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Thanks. I feel the same as well. Good discussion. nt |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:54 AM |
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WHAT EXPENSE!?!? |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 10:53 AM |
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There isn't a federal registry now |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:21 PM |
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Another thing. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:04 PM |
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So then, |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:32 AM |
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Criminal records are already a matter of public record. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:02 AM |
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A matter of public record if you |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:16 PM |
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It's trivial to look up. |
gorfle |
Apr-23-10 04:54 PM |
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I simply can't figure out why we need to |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 08:06 PM |
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What's hard about it? |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 08:52 PM |
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There is no federal registry |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 09:15 PM |
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One downside to FOID cards and DL markers is |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-20-10 11:55 PM |
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I get what you're saying |
tburnsten |
Apr-21-10 12:02 AM |
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Do you see the unnecessary cost and |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 07:06 AM |
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Again, no one is proposing eliminating NICS. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:18 PM |
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I am only going to bother with the last question now. |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:54 PM |
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Well, with additional funding and assistance from |
tburnsten |
Apr-22-10 12:54 AM |
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And I am saying that the question will be 'why?' |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:14 AM |
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Why. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:41 AM |
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Again we disagree on this aspect of this debate, we likely agree on more than we disagree |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:12 PM |
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This is not hard. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:22 AM |
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This isn't about the records |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:28 PM |
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I don't think so. |
gorfle |
Apr-23-10 04:59 PM |
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No, |
pipoman |
Apr-23-10 07:14 PM |
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Well, they do have an electronic version of NICS |
X_Digger |
Apr-23-10 07:26 PM |
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I really don't know exactly how NICS works |
pipoman |
Apr-24-10 06:46 AM |
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How could you be surprised? |
gorfle |
Apr-24-10 01:20 PM |
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Well, I'm pretty sure my conversations about the |
pipoman |
Apr-24-10 04:46 PM |
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I agree |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 06:41 AM |
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Not a problem. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:06 PM |
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No, assets are not automatically seized nor should they be. |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:35 PM |
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If you can no longer own firearms. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:19 AM |
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I do not believe the records are purged. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:01 PM |
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Whew!! Let's catch our breath... |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:26 PM |
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Responses. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 10:49 AM |
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You and I will have to agree to disagree |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:04 PM |
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Perhaps a yellow star or a pink triangle? NNTO |
Travis Coates |
Apr-20-10 11:35 PM |
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Well that's the whole idea behind having a universal marking |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 11:56 PM |
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But instead |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 07:13 AM |
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This is why you encrypt the scarlet letter. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:21 PM |
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Many have correctly pointed out problems with stigmatizing peoples' ID cards with negative info |
slackmaster |
Apr-21-10 10:27 AM |
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There is no problem if the information is encrypted. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:22 PM |
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I had an idea where one corner of a DL was marked... |
krispos42 |
Apr-22-10 11:45 AM |
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Yep, and because of that |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:56 PM |
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