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Mon Apr-19-10 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #20 |
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almost as much fun as Ivory-Crystal.
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| -My answer to the gun show "loophole" |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:20 PM |
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Good idea.. |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-19-10 05:28 PM |
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Fred Meyer here sells .38 specials in pink and lavendar. i asked |
roguevalley |
Apr-19-10 11:24 PM |
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You will still need the NICS check. |
PavePusher |
Apr-20-10 11:07 AM |
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He probably didn't bother explaining the 4473 and NICS check |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 11:16 AM |
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That is what you need to bring to the store, yes |
Euromutt |
Apr-20-10 07:50 PM |
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I can hear it now... |
DAMANgoldberg |
Apr-19-10 05:30 PM |
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So far none of the gun owners on DU have an issue with that approach |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:52 PM |
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Or just make the system open to the public and free of charge. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:26 PM |
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Free ? |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-20-10 09:07 PM |
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Free would be bad. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-20-10 11:56 PM |
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What the OP proposes is more sweeping than a "gun show loophole closure"... |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:15 AM |
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A gun show is simply a breeding ground for the next Timothy McVeigh. |
onehandle |
Apr-19-10 05:35 PM |
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I shouldn't be surprised that you completely missed the point |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:44 PM |
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Nothing wrong with a mandatory, inexpensive registered transfer |
safeinOhio |
Apr-19-10 06:32 PM |
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I'm not aware of that issue having ever been taken up by the courts |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:38 PM |
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Filling out a 4473 isn't "registration". |
jeepnstein |
Apr-20-10 08:40 AM |
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SO we should ban gun shows, guns, or Diesel Fuel and Fertilizer. |
Pavulon |
Apr-19-10 05:45 PM |
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P.S. |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:53 PM |
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Your bigotry seems to be "open carry". n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:27 PM |
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Tell it like it is, Rosa Parks! nt |
onehandle |
Apr-20-10 08:41 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-20-10 07:53 AM |
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Gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected right |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 09:51 AM |
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Well, maybe it's time to change the Constitution |
h9socialist |
Apr-20-10 12:37 PM |
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Well ownership of weapons has historically |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 12:43 PM |
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Yeah, good luck with that. |
proteus_lives |
Apr-21-10 12:35 AM |
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Any thirteen states can block a Constitutional amendment. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-22-10 10:31 AM |
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What would be wrong with a left-wing insurrection, if needed? |
PavePusher |
Apr-20-10 11:09 AM |
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Not 3rd Grade . . . just accurate . . . |
h9socialist |
Apr-20-10 12:32 PM |
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Gandhi did not proscribe ownership or use of firearms in self-defense. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-20-10 05:53 PM |
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Which was the point I was trying to make . . . |
h9socialist |
Apr-21-10 07:38 AM |
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Oops, my bad. Sorry for the misunderstanding. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-21-10 07:01 PM |
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No problem . . . |
h9socialist |
Apr-22-10 02:53 PM |
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Wow, you should read Gandhi more closely... |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:28 AM |
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It is important to understand |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-21-10 12:16 AM |
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And how many people have visited gun shows in the intervening 15 years? |
Euromutt |
Apr-21-10 07:36 AM |
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The meteorologist has spoken with... mixed wildlife metaphors? nt |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:20 AM |
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Anyone can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. That's called a loophole. |
baldguy |
Apr-19-10 05:36 PM |
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One day of the month people sell guns at shows |
hack89 |
Apr-19-10 05:41 PM |
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Then they can sell it at the Dennys parking lot across the street from the gunshow. |
Statistical |
Apr-19-10 05:44 PM |
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What if you are an active duty military member who is suddenly mobilized? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:48 PM |
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False as to fact |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-19-10 06:51 PM |
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There is no loophole. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-19-10 09:13 PM |
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It is not a loophole. |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:29 PM |
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You're just adjusting the existing reporting/licensing requirement. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-20-10 10:33 AM |
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I love how "complying with the law" has become a "loophole." |
Callisto32 |
Apr-20-10 10:55 AM |
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A loophole is generally accidental. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-20-10 06:57 PM |
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Correction... |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:35 AM |
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Apparently I can't rec my own threads |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 05:53 PM |
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No, but I can and did rec it. I wonder who is un-recommending this thread... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:05 PM |
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Why on Earth would anyone have a problem with this approach? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:15 PM |
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Some who post here talk about "sensible" gun control law ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:45 PM |
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Lately they've given up on subtlety |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:49 PM |
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Sometimes when I come here, I just shake my head in disbelief... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:54 PM |
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Still at zero recs |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:57 PM |
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Give it 24 hours ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 07:01 PM |
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I just figured out how to do the recommend thingy...was reading in General Posts earlier some scary |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 07:05 PM |
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Damnit man, I can only rec once! |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:34 PM |
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You wouldn't be referring to this former DU member would you? |
Hoopla Phil |
Apr-19-10 08:38 PM |
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Nope, not this time |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 08:44 PM |
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Smurfette... |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:32 PM |
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Ahh, another old hand |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 10:46 PM |
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Yeah...I don't think it was much of an attempt communication, actually. |
Callisto32 |
Apr-20-10 11:03 AM |
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You have nailed her I see |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 11:21 AM |
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My current approach to selling firearms ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:04 PM |
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The idea has come up before here, I am positive it did not originate with me |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 06:12 PM |
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In some states, you have to display a special license tag ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 06:52 PM |
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A problem with private access to the database |
DissedByBush |
Apr-19-10 07:06 PM |
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But doesn't the database only contain names of those who have already forfeited some part of |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 07:11 PM |
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If it were totally open |
DissedByBush |
Apr-19-10 07:55 PM |
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A personal appearance at a ffl dealer |
pipoman |
Apr-19-10 08:13 PM |
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There are a few states, Texas is one |
oneshooter |
Apr-19-10 07:23 PM |
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Interesting. I didn't know that. (n/t) |
spin |
Apr-19-10 10:41 PM |
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I just don't sell guns to anyone. |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-22-10 12:26 PM |
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There is opposition to your excellent suggestion from those who do not really want a simple solution |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 06:50 PM |
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The opposition I have seen here and elsewhere |
pipoman |
Apr-19-10 08:19 PM |
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Or want only one particular response to the "problem" |
Euromutt |
Apr-20-10 06:14 PM |
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Yes Yes |
jaksavage |
Apr-19-10 07:07 PM |
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No, no, no! We need separate boxes for those and more for |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-19-10 07:13 PM |
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Have the public schools gotten so bad |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-19-10 09:19 PM |
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K & R |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-19-10 07:37 PM |
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The answer to the problem is simple |
pipoman |
Apr-19-10 07:44 PM |
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Unrec |
katandmoon |
Apr-19-10 08:42 PM |
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For what reason? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 08:47 PM |
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Oh. You again... n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-19-10 10:39 PM |
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k&r n/t |
appal_jack |
Apr-19-10 09:16 PM |
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LOL! Yeah. Gunbaggers would love having their driver's licenses 'marked.' |
onehandle |
Apr-19-10 09:30 PM |
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So do you have a solution to the problem? (n/t) |
spin |
Apr-19-10 10:29 PM |
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What's funny is that |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 10:52 PM |
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What does this even mean? |
tburnsten |
Apr-19-10 10:47 PM |
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She was fun to debate ... |
spin |
Apr-19-10 11:24 PM |
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"What does this post mean?" |
jazzhound |
Apr-20-10 02:02 AM |
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Solution: Mark everyone's |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 12:04 PM |
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aaand there's the second poster confirming that some do not *want* a solution. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-20-10 12:28 PM |
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You know there's a digital mark in State Patrol DB's showing drivers with CPL's right? |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-20-10 03:35 PM |
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My opinion on this system. |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 12:13 PM |
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Only change I'd make is telephone instead of visiting an FFL/PD. n/t |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 12:42 PM |
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Can't see it. |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 08:50 PM |
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My problem with visiting an FFL/PD is that.. |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 09:05 PM |
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I don't trust the government not to keep it. |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 09:09 PM |
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Now you're talking. (Post office / dmv) |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 09:25 PM |
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A post office is a federal office |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 10:00 PM |
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My rural post office was also a general store. :) |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 10:05 PM |
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I suppose there are |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 10:26 PM |
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DMV is pretty accessible in the states I've lived in. |
X_Digger |
Apr-20-10 10:30 PM |
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Why not just use NICS? |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 10:43 PM |
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No need to go to a third party. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-21-10 12:00 AM |
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You just made a federal firearms registry. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:03 PM |
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Gun data is not included in the NICS check. Buyer data only. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-22-10 01:18 AM |
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Incorrect. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 10:56 AM |
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Form 4473 is not NICS. |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-22-10 08:29 PM |
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Err.. not sure about that.. |
X_Digger |
Apr-22-10 08:34 PM |
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No one is proposing getting rid of NICS. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:03 PM |
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I'm still not seeing the utility |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 10:36 PM |
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Well that's becasue the idea is to not restrict private sales |
tburnsten |
Apr-21-10 11:34 PM |
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You don't have places which sell guns in your area? |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:42 PM |
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Yes, there are reasonably priced FFLs in my region |
tburnsten |
Apr-22-10 12:49 AM |
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That has always been part of the solution IMO, |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 06:41 AM |
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Sometimes I forget what it's like to have a real conversation on the intarwebz |
tburnsten |
Apr-22-10 06:56 AM |
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I do believe we agree that this issue |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:43 AM |
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Thanks. I feel the same as well. Good discussion. nt |
SteveM |
Apr-22-10 10:54 AM |
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WHAT EXPENSE!?!? |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 10:53 AM |
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There isn't a federal registry now |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:21 PM |
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Another thing. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:04 PM |
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So then, |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:32 AM |
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Criminal records are already a matter of public record. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:02 AM |
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A matter of public record if you |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:16 PM |
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It's trivial to look up. |
gorfle |
Apr-23-10 04:54 PM |
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I simply can't figure out why we need to |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 08:06 PM |
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What's hard about it? |
gorfle |
Apr-20-10 08:52 PM |
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There is no federal registry |
pipoman |
Apr-20-10 09:15 PM |
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One downside to FOID cards and DL markers is |
ManiacJoe |
Apr-20-10 11:55 PM |
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I get what you're saying |
tburnsten |
Apr-21-10 12:02 AM |
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Do you see the unnecessary cost and |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 07:06 AM |
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Again, no one is proposing eliminating NICS. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:18 PM |
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I am only going to bother with the last question now. |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:54 PM |
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Well, with additional funding and assistance from |
tburnsten |
Apr-22-10 12:54 AM |
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And I am saying that the question will be 'why?' |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:14 AM |
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Why. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:41 AM |
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Again we disagree on this aspect of this debate, we likely agree on more than we disagree |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:12 PM |
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This is not hard. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:22 AM |
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This isn't about the records |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:28 PM |
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I don't think so. |
gorfle |
Apr-23-10 04:59 PM |
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No, |
pipoman |
Apr-23-10 07:14 PM |
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Well, they do have an electronic version of NICS |
X_Digger |
Apr-23-10 07:26 PM |
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I really don't know exactly how NICS works |
pipoman |
Apr-24-10 06:46 AM |
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How could you be surprised? |
gorfle |
Apr-24-10 01:20 PM |
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Well, I'm pretty sure my conversations about the |
pipoman |
Apr-24-10 04:46 PM |
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I agree |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 06:41 AM |
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Not a problem. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:06 PM |
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No, assets are not automatically seized nor should they be. |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:35 PM |
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If you can no longer own firearms. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 11:19 AM |
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I do not believe the records are purged. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:01 PM |
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Whew!! Let's catch our breath... |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 11:26 PM |
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Responses. |
gorfle |
Apr-22-10 10:49 AM |
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You and I will have to agree to disagree |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 08:04 PM |
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Perhaps a yellow star or a pink triangle? NNTO |
Travis Coates |
Apr-20-10 11:35 PM |
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Well that's the whole idea behind having a universal marking |
tburnsten |
Apr-20-10 11:56 PM |
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But instead |
pipoman |
Apr-21-10 07:13 AM |
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This is why you encrypt the scarlet letter. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:21 PM |
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Many have correctly pointed out problems with stigmatizing peoples' ID cards with negative info |
slackmaster |
Apr-21-10 10:27 AM |
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There is no problem if the information is encrypted. |
gorfle |
Apr-21-10 09:22 PM |
#118 |
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I had an idea where one corner of a DL was marked... |
krispos42 |
Apr-22-10 11:45 AM |
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Yep, and because of that |
pipoman |
Apr-22-10 07:56 PM |
#149 |
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