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Mother Smuckers Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 07:05 PM
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27. I just figured out how to do the recommend thingy...was reading in General Posts earlier some scary
scary stuff, there are people writing comments saying they want to outright ban and even confiscate guns...I couldn't believe what I was seeing...someone saying that and claiming to be a progressive Democrat? It's insane!
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  -My answer to the gun show "loophole" tburnsten  Apr-19-10 05:20 PM   #0 
  - Good idea..  virginia mountainman   Apr-19-10 05:28 PM   #1 
  - Fred Meyer here sells .38 specials in pink and lavendar. i asked  roguevalley   Apr-19-10 11:24 PM   #58 
     - You will still need the NICS check.  PavePusher   Apr-20-10 11:07 AM   #67 
     - He probably didn't bother explaining the 4473 and NICS check  tburnsten   Apr-20-10 11:16 AM   #69 
     - That is what you need to bring to the store, yes  Euromutt   Apr-20-10 07:50 PM   #82 
  - I can hear it now...  DAMANgoldberg   Apr-19-10 05:30 PM   #2 
  - So far none of the gun owners on DU have an issue with that approach  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 05:52 PM   #10 
  - Or just make the system open to the public and free of charge. n/t  PavePusher   Apr-19-10 10:26 PM   #46 
  - Free ?  Katya Mullethov   Apr-20-10 09:07 PM   #87 
     - Free would be bad.  ManiacJoe   Apr-20-10 11:56 PM   #99 
  - What the OP proposes is more sweeping than a "gun show loophole closure"...  SteveM   Apr-22-10 10:15 AM   #133 
  - A gun show is simply a breeding ground for the next Timothy McVeigh.  onehandle   Apr-19-10 05:35 PM   #3 
  - I shouldn't be surprised that you completely missed the point  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 05:44 PM   #6 
  - Nothing wrong with a mandatory, inexpensive registered transfer  safeinOhio   Apr-19-10 06:32 PM   #17 
     - I'm not aware of that issue having ever been taken up by the courts  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 06:38 PM   #18 
     - Filling out a 4473 isn't "registration".  jeepnstein   Apr-20-10 08:40 AM   #61 
  - SO we should ban gun shows, guns, or Diesel Fuel and Fertilizer.  Pavulon   Apr-19-10 05:45 PM   #8 
  - P.S.  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 05:53 PM   #12 
  - Your bigotry seems to be "open carry". n/t  PavePusher   Apr-19-10 10:27 PM   #47 
  - Tell it like it is, Rosa Parks! nt  onehandle   Apr-20-10 08:41 AM   #62 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-20-10 07:53 AM   #60 
  - Gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected right  tburnsten   Apr-20-10 09:51 AM   #63 
  - Well, maybe it's time to change the Constitution  h9socialist   Apr-20-10 12:37 PM   #75 
     - Well ownership of weapons has historically  tburnsten   Apr-20-10 12:43 PM   #77 
     - Yeah, good luck with that.  proteus_lives   Apr-21-10 12:35 AM   #103 
     - Any thirteen states can block a Constitutional amendment.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 10:31 AM   #136 
  - What would be wrong with a left-wing insurrection, if needed?  PavePusher   Apr-20-10 11:09 AM   #68 
     - Not 3rd Grade . . . just accurate . . .  h9socialist   Apr-20-10 12:32 PM   #74 
        - Gandhi did not proscribe ownership or use of firearms in self-defense. n/t  PavePusher   Apr-20-10 05:53 PM   #79 
        - Which was the point I was trying to make . . .  h9socialist   Apr-21-10 07:38 AM   #108 
           - Oops, my bad. Sorry for the misunderstanding. n/t  PavePusher   Apr-21-10 07:01 PM   #110 
              - No problem . . .  h9socialist   Apr-22-10 02:53 PM   #148 
        - Wow, you should read Gandhi more closely...  SteveM   Apr-22-10 10:28 AM   #135 
  - It is important to understand  Katya Mullethov   Apr-21-10 12:16 AM   #102 
  - And how many people have visited gun shows in the intervening 15 years?  Euromutt   Apr-21-10 07:36 AM   #107 
  - The meteorologist has spoken with... mixed wildlife metaphors? nt  SteveM   Apr-22-10 10:20 AM   #134 
  - Anyone can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. That's called a loophole.  baldguy   Apr-19-10 05:36 PM   #4 
  - One day of the month people sell guns at shows  hack89   Apr-19-10 05:41 PM   #5 
  - Then they can sell it at the Dennys parking lot across the street from the gunshow.  Statistical   Apr-19-10 05:44 PM   #7 
  - What if you are an active duty military member who is suddenly mobilized?  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 05:48 PM   #9 
  - False as to fact  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-19-10 06:51 PM   #22 
  - There is no loophole.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-10 09:13 PM   #42 
  - It is not a loophole.  PavePusher   Apr-19-10 10:29 PM   #49 
  - You're just adjusting the existing reporting/licensing requirement.  AtheistCrusader   Apr-20-10 10:33 AM   #64 
  - I love how "complying with the law" has become a "loophole."  Callisto32   Apr-20-10 10:55 AM   #65 
  - A loophole is generally accidental.  NewMoonTherian   Apr-20-10 06:57 PM   #81 
  - Correction...  SteveM   Apr-22-10 10:35 AM   #137 
  - Apparently I can't rec my own threads  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 05:53 PM   #11 
  - No, but I can and did rec it. I wonder who is un-recommending this thread...  spin   Apr-19-10 06:05 PM   #14 
     - Why on Earth would anyone have a problem with this approach?  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 06:15 PM   #16 
        - Some who post here talk about "sensible" gun control law ...  spin   Apr-19-10 06:45 PM   #19 
           - Lately they've given up on subtlety  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 06:49 PM   #20 
              - Sometimes when I come here, I just shake my head in disbelief...  spin   Apr-19-10 06:54 PM   #24 
              - Still at zero recs  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 06:57 PM   #25 
                 - Give it 24 hours ...  spin   Apr-19-10 07:01 PM   #26 
                 - I just figured out how to do the recommend thingy...was reading in General Posts earlier some scary  Mother Smuckers   Apr-19-10 07:05 PM   #27 
                 - Damnit man, I can only rec once!  PavePusher   Apr-19-10 10:34 PM   #51 
              - You wouldn't be referring to this former DU member would you?  Hoopla Phil   Apr-19-10 08:38 PM   #38 
              - Nope, not this time  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 08:44 PM   #40 
              - Smurfette...  PavePusher   Apr-19-10 10:32 PM   #50 
                 - Ahh, another old hand  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 10:46 PM   #54 
                    - Yeah...I don't think it was much of an attempt communication, actually.  Callisto32   Apr-20-10 11:03 AM   #66 
                       - You have nailed her I see  tburnsten   Apr-20-10 11:21 AM   #70 
  - My current approach to selling firearms ...  spin   Apr-19-10 06:04 PM   #13 
  - The idea has come up before here, I am positive it did not originate with me  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 06:12 PM   #15 
  - In some states, you have to display a special license tag ...  spin   Apr-19-10 06:52 PM   #23 
  - A problem with private access to the database  DissedByBush   Apr-19-10 07:06 PM   #28 
  - But doesn't the database only contain names of those who have already forfeited some part of  Mother Smuckers   Apr-19-10 07:11 PM   #30 
  - If it were totally open  DissedByBush   Apr-19-10 07:55 PM   #35 
     - A personal appearance at a ffl dealer  pipoman   Apr-19-10 08:13 PM   #36 
  - There are a few states, Texas is one  oneshooter   Apr-19-10 07:23 PM   #32 
     - Interesting. I didn't know that. (n/t)  spin   Apr-19-10 10:41 PM   #53 
  - I just don't sell guns to anyone.  one-eyed fat man   Apr-22-10 12:26 PM   #147 
  - There is opposition to your excellent suggestion from those who do not really want a simple solution  Mother Smuckers   Apr-19-10 06:50 PM   #21 
  - The opposition I have seen here and elsewhere  pipoman   Apr-19-10 08:19 PM   #37 
  - Or want only one particular response to the "problem"  Euromutt   Apr-20-10 06:14 PM   #80 
  - Yes Yes  jaksavage   Apr-19-10 07:07 PM   #29 
  - No, no, no! We need separate boxes for those and more for  Mother Smuckers   Apr-19-10 07:13 PM   #31 
     - Have the public schools gotten so bad  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-10 09:19 PM   #44 
  - K & R  GreenStormCloud   Apr-19-10 07:37 PM   #33 
  - The answer to the problem is simple  pipoman   Apr-19-10 07:44 PM   #34 
  - Unrec  katandmoon   Apr-19-10 08:42 PM   #39 
  - For what reason?  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 08:47 PM   #41 
  - Oh. You again... n/t  PavePusher   Apr-19-10 10:39 PM   #52 
  - k&r n/t  appal_jack   Apr-19-10 09:16 PM   #43 
  - LOL! Yeah. Gunbaggers would love having their driver's licenses 'marked.'  onehandle   Apr-19-10 09:30 PM   #45 
  - So do you have a solution to the problem? (n/t)  spin   Apr-19-10 10:29 PM   #48 
  - What's funny is that  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 10:52 PM   #56 
  - What does this even mean?  tburnsten   Apr-19-10 10:47 PM   #55 
  - She was fun to debate ...  spin   Apr-19-10 11:24 PM   #57 
  - "What does this post mean?"  jazzhound   Apr-20-10 02:02 AM   #59 
  - Solution: Mark everyone's  gorfle   Apr-20-10 12:04 PM   #71 
  - aaand there's the second poster confirming that some do not *want* a solution.  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-20-10 12:28 PM   #73 
  - You know there's a digital mark in State Patrol DB's showing drivers with CPL's right?  AtheistCrusader   Apr-20-10 03:35 PM   #78 
  - My opinion on this system.  gorfle   Apr-20-10 12:13 PM   #72 
  - Only change I'd make is telephone instead of visiting an FFL/PD. n/t  X_Digger   Apr-20-10 12:42 PM   #76 
  - Can't see it.  gorfle   Apr-20-10 08:50 PM   #84 
     - My problem with visiting an FFL/PD is that..  X_Digger   Apr-20-10 09:05 PM   #86 
        - I don't trust the government not to keep it.  gorfle   Apr-20-10 09:09 PM   #88 
           - Now you're talking. (Post office / dmv)  X_Digger   Apr-20-10 09:25 PM   #90 
              - A post office is a federal office  pipoman   Apr-20-10 10:00 PM   #91 
                 - My rural post office was also a general store. :)  X_Digger   Apr-20-10 10:05 PM   #92 
                 - I suppose there are  pipoman   Apr-20-10 10:26 PM   #93 
                    - DMV is pretty accessible in the states I've lived in.  X_Digger   Apr-20-10 10:30 PM   #94 
                       - Why not just use NICS?  pipoman   Apr-20-10 10:43 PM   #95 
                          - No need to go to a third party.  ManiacJoe   Apr-21-10 12:00 AM   #100 
                          - You just made a federal firearms registry.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:03 PM   #113 
                             - Gun data is not included in the NICS check. Buyer data only.  ManiacJoe   Apr-22-10 01:18 AM   #127 
                                - Incorrect.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 10:56 AM   #141 
                                   - Form 4473 is not NICS.  ManiacJoe   Apr-22-10 08:29 PM   #155 
                                      - Err.. not sure about that..  X_Digger   Apr-22-10 08:34 PM   #156 
                          - No one is proposing getting rid of NICS.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:03 PM   #112 
                             - I'm still not seeing the utility  pipoman   Apr-21-10 10:36 PM   #119 
                                - Well that's becasue the idea is to not restrict private sales  tburnsten   Apr-21-10 11:34 PM   #121 
                                - You don't have places which sell guns in your area?  pipoman   Apr-21-10 11:42 PM   #123 
                                   - Yes, there are reasonably priced FFLs in my region  tburnsten   Apr-22-10 12:49 AM   #125 
                                      - That has always been part of the solution IMO,  pipoman   Apr-22-10 06:41 AM   #128 
                                         - Sometimes I forget what it's like to have a real conversation on the intarwebz  tburnsten   Apr-22-10 06:56 AM   #129 
                                            - I do believe we agree that this issue  pipoman   Apr-22-10 07:43 AM   #132 
                                            - Thanks. I feel the same as well. Good discussion. nt  SteveM   Apr-22-10 10:54 AM   #140 
                                - WHAT EXPENSE!?!?  gorfle   Apr-22-10 10:53 AM   #139 
                                   - There isn't a federal registry now  pipoman   Apr-22-10 08:21 PM   #153 
                 - Another thing.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:04 PM   #114 
                    - So then,  pipoman   Apr-22-10 07:32 AM   #131 
                       - Criminal records are already a matter of public record.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 11:02 AM   #142 
                          - A matter of public record if you  pipoman   Apr-22-10 08:16 PM   #152 
                             - It's trivial to look up.  gorfle   Apr-23-10 04:54 PM   #157 
  - I simply can't figure out why we need to  pipoman   Apr-20-10 08:06 PM   #83 
     - What's hard about it?  gorfle   Apr-20-10 08:52 PM   #85 
        - There is no federal registry  pipoman   Apr-20-10 09:15 PM   #89 
           - One downside to FOID cards and DL markers is  ManiacJoe   Apr-20-10 11:55 PM   #97 
           - I get what you're saying  tburnsten   Apr-21-10 12:02 AM   #101 
           - Do you see the unnecessary cost and  pipoman   Apr-21-10 07:06 AM   #105 
              - Again, no one is proposing eliminating NICS.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:18 PM   #116 
                 - I am only going to bother with the last question now.  pipoman   Apr-21-10 11:54 PM   #124 
                    - Well, with additional funding and assistance from  tburnsten   Apr-22-10 12:54 AM   #126 
                    - And I am saying that the question will be 'why?'  pipoman   Apr-22-10 07:14 AM   #130 
                       - Why.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 11:41 AM   #145 
                          - Again we disagree on this aspect of this debate, we likely agree on more than we disagree  pipoman   Apr-22-10 08:12 PM   #151 
                    - This is not hard.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 11:22 AM   #144 
                       - This isn't about the records  pipoman   Apr-22-10 08:28 PM   #154 
                          - I don't think so.  gorfle   Apr-23-10 04:59 PM   #158 
                             - No,  pipoman   Apr-23-10 07:14 PM   #159 
                                - Well, they do have an electronic version of NICS  X_Digger   Apr-23-10 07:26 PM   #160 
                                   - I really don't know exactly how NICS works  pipoman   Apr-24-10 06:46 AM   #161 
                                      - How could you be surprised?  gorfle   Apr-24-10 01:20 PM   #162 
                                         - Well, I'm pretty sure my conversations about the  pipoman   Apr-24-10 04:46 PM   #163 
           - I agree  pipoman   Apr-21-10 06:41 AM   #104 
           - Not a problem.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:06 PM   #115 
              - No, assets are not automatically seized nor should they be.  pipoman   Apr-21-10 11:35 PM   #122 
                 - If you can no longer own firearms.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 11:19 AM   #143 
           - I do not believe the records are purged.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:01 PM   #111 
              - Whew!! Let's catch our breath...  pipoman   Apr-21-10 11:26 PM   #120 
                 - Responses.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 10:49 AM   #138 
                    - You and I will have to agree to disagree  pipoman   Apr-22-10 08:04 PM   #150 
  - Perhaps a yellow star or a pink triangle? NNTO  Travis Coates   Apr-20-10 11:35 PM   #96 
  - Well that's the whole idea behind having a universal marking  tburnsten   Apr-20-10 11:56 PM   #98 
     - But instead  pipoman   Apr-21-10 07:13 AM   #106 
        - This is why you encrypt the scarlet letter.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:21 PM   #117 
  - Many have correctly pointed out problems with stigmatizing peoples' ID cards with negative info  slackmaster   Apr-21-10 10:27 AM   #109 
  - There is no problem if the information is encrypted.  gorfle   Apr-21-10 09:22 PM   #118 
  - I had an idea where one corner of a DL was marked...  krispos42   Apr-22-10 11:45 AM   #146 
     - Yep, and because of that  pipoman   Apr-22-10 07:56 PM   #149 
 

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