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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 07:42 AM
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43. Firearm-related non-violent crime isn't up
Since the early 1990s, nonfatal firearm-related violent crime "has plummeted" (those are the words of the Bureau of Justice Statistics, not mine), both in absolute numbers (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/firearmnonfatal... ) and in rates per 100,000 population (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/firearmnonfatal... ). In addition, the percentage of nonfatal violent crime involving firearms has been below 10% since 1997 (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/percentfirearm.... ).

According to a BJS report, Weapon Use and Violent Crime (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/wuvc01.pdf ), based on NCVS data from 1993-2001, 10% of nonfatal violent crime involved a firearm, with handguns outnumbering long guns by 8 to 1 (see table at top right of page 2). Since the number of both incidents and victims of nonfatal firearm-related violent crime dropped by more than 50% during that same period (from 1,054,820 incidents and 1,248,250 victims in 1993 to 467,880 incidents and 524,030 victims in 2001 http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmn... ), that reduction cannot be explained by a drop in use of long guns alone, let alone by a drop in use of long guns compensating for an increase in use of handguns. In other words, nonfatal handgun crime must have gone down.
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  -Killer teen jailed 12 years for murder of chef Daniel Owen (Australia - No guns = No safety) shadowrider  Mar-19-10 11:01 AM   #0 
  - .  armueller2001   Mar-19-10 11:04 AM   #1 
  - Sure is. The perp may have gotten hurt  shadowrider   Mar-19-10 11:11 AM   #2 
  - Gee, thank Gawd those US states managed to become completely free of murder...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-19-10 11:13 AM   #3 
  - At least  cowman   Mar-19-10 11:21 AM   #5 
     - What's a "gun controler" person?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-19-10 11:31 AM   #7 
        - Some one who  cowman   Mar-19-10 11:44 AM   #9 
           - So? You proved you're qualified. You got your gun.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-19-10 11:48 AM   #12 
              - If you think  cowman   Mar-19-10 11:52 AM   #14 
                 - Apology accepted. Try to remember there usually IS such a thing as a truly moderate position.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-19-10 11:53 AM   #15 
                    - I  cowman   Mar-19-10 11:56 AM   #17 
  - The murder rate in the US is 5x what it is in Australia  wtmusic   Mar-19-10 11:13 AM   #4 
  - Don't exagerate...our homicide rate is only three times as much!  rfranklin   Mar-19-10 11:25 AM   #6 
  - Wikipedia shows 4.5:1  wtmusic   Mar-19-10 11:56 AM   #18 
     - That very much depends how you define "dangerous"  Euromutt   Mar-20-10 06:41 AM   #28 
     - Good point about Pakistan.  wtmusic   Mar-20-10 04:39 PM   #30 
        - US violent crime is down.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-20-10 05:48 PM   #31 
        - No, your argument fails to isolate the effect of gun ownership.  wtmusic   Mar-20-10 08:45 PM   #34 
           - Notice what you said.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-21-10 10:55 AM   #37 
        - Not true re robbery..  X_Digger   Mar-20-10 06:42 PM   #32 
        - Violent crime rates have fallen in general in the US  wtmusic   Mar-20-10 08:42 PM   #33 
           - Data only runs to 1997 (for counties) / 1999 (for states)  X_Digger   Mar-20-10 11:58 PM   #35 
           - The percentage of nonfatal violent crime involving firearms is also down  Euromutt   Mar-23-10 07:47 AM   #44 
        - Firearm-related non-violent crime isn't up  Euromutt   Mar-23-10 07:42 AM   #43 
           - Crap, that should read "firearm-related nonFATAL violent crime"  Euromutt   Mar-23-10 09:18 AM   #46 
     - There is a difference between the gun culture and the violent criminal culture.  Callisto32   Mar-23-10 07:58 AM   #45 
  - You have confused self-defense with social policy. Corrections:  SteveM   Mar-19-10 11:35 AM   #8 
     - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  iverglas   Mar-19-10 11:48 AM   #11 
        - +1  wtmusic   Mar-19-10 11:51 AM   #13 
        - Ah your  cowman   Mar-19-10 11:54 AM   #16 
        - ah, my  iverglas   Mar-19-10 11:57 AM   #19 
           - Just wondering  cowman   Mar-19-10 12:00 PM   #20 
        - Glad you are in good spirits! Where have you been? Doing well?  SteveM   Mar-19-10 12:34 PM   #23 
           - I have been sick sick sick  iverglas   Mar-19-10 12:58 PM   #24 
              - Yeah I  cowman   Mar-19-10 01:09 PM   #25 
              - Two weeks? As you get older, 2 wks expands mightly in the continuum...  SteveM   Mar-22-10 09:33 AM   #41 
                 - if I were past 60  iverglas   Mar-22-10 12:11 PM   #42 
  - the magical gun force field apparently doesn't work down under (ed.)  iverglas   Mar-19-10 11:45 AM   #10 
  - I wouldn't sweat it  Katya Mullethov   Mar-19-10 12:00 PM   #21 
     - how nice of you  iverglas   Mar-19-10 12:20 PM   #22 
        - Why Iverglas  Katya Mullethov   Mar-19-10 06:45 PM   #27 
  - Only 12 years for murder?  proteus_lives   Mar-19-10 01:57 PM   #26 
  - Show some optimism , call it a jobs program  Katya Mullethov   Mar-20-10 11:22 AM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-21-10 02:58 AM   #36 
     - HM Spokesperson-General has spoken for *all* Australians, so it must be true!  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-21-10 01:29 PM   #38 
     - You should understand that we don't give a damn if you laugh or not.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-21-10 02:05 PM   #39 
     - You've got two different metrics for media reports of violence, don't you?  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-21-10 03:15 PM   #40 
 

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