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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. You provide no evidence for your claim.
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 06:37 PM by GreenStormCloud
we know that the first element ALWAYS increases the total of any sum,

No, you don't know that. That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And the fact remains that the number of guns in the populace has increaced greatly while crime has gone down. Further, violent crime in the US, except for murder, is much lower than in other industrialized countries. Especially our rate of burglary of occupied dwellings is way lower. Criminals here have good reason to fear their victims, and they have to be very careful in victim selection.

BTW - You are assuming that the guns/crime curve is linear, or that the slope is always positive. Instead the slope may change from positive to negative. Inother words, the curve may be shaped like a hill, with a peak and then a falling curve.
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  -Britain more violent society than America hack89  Mar-18-10 01:11 PM   #0 
  - Apparently it's morally superior  armueller2001   Mar-18-10 01:12 PM   #1 
  - Apparently  FarrenH   Mar-18-10 01:42 PM   #5 
     - I've fixed the statement for you  shadowrider   Mar-18-10 02:35 PM   #9 
     - You have a lot of faith in humanity  FarrenH   Mar-18-10 04:03 PM   #15 
        - People already CAN own fully automatic weapons.  eqfan592   Mar-18-10 11:10 PM   #24 
        - Time for a reality check.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-18-10 11:45 PM   #26 
        - With such an utterly,  pipoman   Mar-19-10 07:27 AM   #30 
        - Actually he's a political scientist from Berkeley campus who now works in the UK  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 08:23 AM   #31 
        - well ...  iverglas   Mar-19-10 12:31 PM   #41 
           - I'll tell you who looks silly  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 01:55 PM   #46 
           - that  iverglas   Mar-19-10 03:05 PM   #51 
           - whoops  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 03:24 PM   #53 
           - Well now, lets have a closer look shallwe?  pipoman   Mar-19-10 03:44 PM   #54 
              - just to add  iverglas   Mar-19-10 04:52 PM   #58 
                 - Of coarse  pipoman   Mar-19-10 05:22 PM   #60 
           - Didn't bother to click the links, huh?  pipoman   Mar-19-10 03:54 PM   #55 
              - I most definitely did, and I did it immediately  iverglas   Mar-19-10 04:48 PM   #57 
        - And the point being made here  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 08:32 AM   #32 
           - "Simple logic" always fits a hypothetical...  SteveM   Mar-19-10 12:11 PM   #36 
           - I''m finding the responses here hilarious  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 01:28 PM   #44 
              - So it is your contention that America has reduced societal aggression?  hack89   Mar-19-10 02:34 PM   #47 
              - I can only speculate  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 02:42 PM   #48 
                 - But in America we have the expansion of a civil right  hack89   Mar-19-10 03:05 PM   #50 
                    - That's not my "contention"  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 03:21 PM   #52 
                    - oh, do learn the lingo  iverglas   Mar-19-10 04:56 PM   #59 
                       - What rights does the BOR protect other than civil rights? nt  hack89   Mar-19-10 05:31 PM   #61 
                          - what colour is orange, true or false?  iverglas   Mar-19-10 05:37 PM   #62 
                             - true nt  hack89   Mar-19-10 05:43 PM   #66 
              - This appears to be a bit more  pipoman   Mar-19-10 04:14 PM   #56 
              - You have a glaring error.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 05:37 PM   #63 
              - I wouldn't say its a glaring error  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 06:03 PM   #68 
                 - Two problems with your reply.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 06:27 PM   #71 
                    - Casting aside the knife issue  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 07:34 PM   #76 
                       - Please notice that I am doing a book review of Hemenway's book.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 09:23 PM   #79 
              - For most people a firearm is easier to use than a knife ...  spin   Mar-19-10 06:16 PM   #69 
                 - Interesting. I will need to look into that further. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 06:44 PM   #73 
           - Try comparing the US in 1994 against the US in 2009.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 12:37 PM   #43 
           - Answered here  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 01:28 PM   #45 
              - Your error pointed out here:  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 05:38 PM   #64 
              - BTW - Your answer was to dodge my assertion.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 05:41 PM   #65 
                 - Not at all  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 06:18 PM   #70 
                    - You provide no evidence for your claim.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-19-10 06:32 PM   #72 
           - OK  pipoman   Mar-19-10 06:00 PM   #67 
              - The case I would build out of this  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 07:01 PM   #74 
                 - Very interesting  pipoman   Mar-19-10 07:25 PM   #75 
                    - I'm a white South African who grew up under Apartheid  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 08:10 PM   #77 
                       - I appreciate your history  pipoman   Mar-19-10 09:14 PM   #78 
        - Parks and wildlife has announced the Silly Season is open. No limits...  SteveM   Mar-19-10 12:04 PM   #35 
     - Evidently...  SteveM   Mar-19-10 11:52 AM   #33 
        - For clarity  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 12:02 PM   #34 
           - Doesn't cut it. You are not engaging and your "logic" doesn't hold. nt  SteveM   Mar-19-10 12:33 PM   #42 
              - I am and it does  FarrenH   Mar-19-10 02:54 PM   #49 
  - Let me wipe the straw out my eyes, first.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-18-10 01:21 PM   #2 
  - So you agree that gun availability is irrelevant  hack89   Mar-19-10 05:27 AM   #28 
  - Imagine how many more deaths there would be  Boudica the Lyoness   Mar-18-10 01:24 PM   #3 
  - imagine how many fewer deaths there were be if gun owners quit shooting people nt  msongs   Mar-18-10 01:28 PM   #4 
  - That might work if ALL gun owners quit shooting people ...  spin   Mar-18-10 02:10 PM   #6 
  - lol, that made me laugh  high_and_mighty   Mar-18-10 02:20 PM   #7 
  - Most of us never started shooting people, and never will  slackmaster   Mar-18-10 02:50 PM   #12 
  - Please tell the thugs of your "imagination." I haven't shot anyone in real life.  SteveM   Mar-19-10 12:12 PM   #37 
  - It's harder to defend yourself  armueller2001   Mar-18-10 02:22 PM   #8 
  - How about a bunch of fruit?  Boudica the Lyoness   Mar-18-10 05:39 PM   #19 
  - LOL! wow, just wow.  eqfan592   Mar-18-10 02:55 PM   #13 
  - You're are talking about Americans right?  Boudica the Lyoness   Mar-18-10 05:37 PM   #18 
     - Actually, I think the point of the article isn't that Brits are more violent in general...  eqfan592   Mar-18-10 08:52 PM   #21 
     - Maybe you being such a clever dick could show us where he said he wanted to arm people in Britain.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-18-10 11:28 PM   #25 
     - More problems...  SteveM   Mar-19-10 12:24 PM   #38 
  - We can imagine, but going by statistics might be a better way to go  Euromutt   Mar-18-10 05:40 PM   #20 
  - No, it means fewer people shot...  rfranklin   Mar-18-10 02:38 PM   #10 
  - our neighboring town of Tazewell had a murder this year  backwoodsbob   Mar-18-10 04:10 PM   #16 
  - Then there is Vermont. Huge crime rate. nt  SteveM   Mar-19-10 12:28 PM   #39 
  - Then it's a good thing they have fewer guns, isn't it?  damntexdem   Mar-18-10 02:48 PM   #11 
  - Same exact logic fail as a previous poster. (nt)  eqfan592   Mar-18-10 02:56 PM   #14 
  - Slightly off-topic, but typical Daily Fail quoting the Tory party there  Euromutt   Mar-18-10 05:02 PM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-18-10 09:31 PM   #22 
  - Nonfatal violent crime runs quite a gamut of possibilities  Euromutt   Mar-18-10 10:13 PM   #23 
  - Hmm, Brits are hot-tempered lot.  proteus_lives   Mar-19-10 03:01 AM   #27 
  - Lies, damn lies and Tory crime statistics.  Bob2bob   Mar-19-10 05:39 AM   #29 
     - and the Daily Mail!!!!!  iverglas   Mar-19-10 12:28 PM   #40 
 

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