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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 11:57 AM
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20. Self preservation is not a "right," it is an instinct and often as not...
interferes with actual rights, and certainly with other instincts. One could argue that most of the planet's troubles are due to our drive for self preservation.

Just when, in a democracy, has the public's bearing arms protected its interests? Even in times of revolution, people don't just go into their cellars and grab their anti-tank weapons to fight the oppressors.

How'd it work out with the Whiskey rebellion? Or Shea's? And how did the Confederates do with their personal weapons against Union troops and cannons?

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  -Would gun control advocates be on board with banning pointy knives and beer bottles? Tim01  Feb-21-10 10:48 AM   #0 
  - Did you think this post up all by yourself?  ret5hd   Feb-21-10 10:50 AM   #1 
  - He probably had a little cribbing from:  SteveM   Feb-21-10 11:08 AM   #10 
  - Your argument is a logical fallacy...a slipery slope...  Ozymanithrax   Feb-21-10 10:52 AM   #2 
  - Phallusy could be part of it.  TheCowsCameHome   Feb-21-10 11:03 AM   #7 
  - Friction is what makes Phallucy fun...  Ozymanithrax   Feb-21-10 11:05 AM   #8 
     - You can't beat it.  TheCowsCameHome   Feb-21-10 11:06 AM   #9 
  - Please parse the OP and prove it's a "logical fallacy". n/t  jody   Feb-21-10 11:12 AM   #12 
  - Here you go...  Ozymanithrax   Feb-21-10 12:00 PM   #23 
     - IMO there is ample "enough evidence for that [OP] assumption." n/t  jody   Feb-21-10 12:03 PM   #24 
     - Then show me the historical evidence...  Ozymanithrax   Feb-21-10 12:06 PM   #25 
        - One example is D.C. that effectively banned all firearms however that ban was ruled unconstitutional  jody   Feb-21-10 05:18 PM   #73 
     - Really?  shadowrider   Feb-21-10 12:08 PM   #26 
     - You are aware England is looking at banning knives and bottles, right? nt  Tim01   Feb-21-10 12:23 PM   #29 
     - There is, and it's a logical progression of misidentifying weapons as a cause of violence  Euromutt   Feb-21-10 08:50 PM   #75 
     - There are knife bans and restrictions all over the US  DissedByBush   Feb-22-10 08:08 PM   #94 
  - self deleted  Hoopla Phil   Feb-21-10 01:50 PM   #41 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-21-10 10:55 AM   #3 
  - What part of the OP do you believe is not supported by the majority of Democrats? n/t  jody   Feb-21-10 10:59 AM   #5 
  - In the debate over natural rights one finds the consensus that if such rights do exist; i.e. natural...  jody   Feb-21-10 10:58 AM   #4 
  - Self preservation is not a "right," it is an instinct and often as not...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 11:57 AM   #20 
     - I said "if such rights do exist". What rights do you include in "actual rights"? n/t  jody   Feb-21-10 12:00 PM   #22 
        - If you mean absolute rights, very few, actually, since most of...  TreasonousBastard   Feb-21-10 12:15 PM   #27 
           - If one has the right to life, one has the right to defend it..  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 01:42 PM   #40 
           - The authors of our Constitution had specific rights in mind for example PA said  jody   Feb-21-10 05:11 PM   #72 
  - just "pointy-headed" people  hlthe2b   Feb-21-10 11:02 AM   #6 
  - What an idiotic post.  katandmoon   Feb-21-10 11:11 AM   #11 
  - I know LOL  MichaelHarris   Feb-21-10 06:55 PM   #74 
     - Liverpool imposes bottle ban to tackle violence  Tim01   Feb-21-10 09:08 PM   #76 
        - Like shooting fish in a barrel.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:16 PM   #83 
        - And a 2 for 1 this time. nt  Tim01   Feb-21-10 10:19 PM   #84 
        - and glass bottles  MichaelHarris   Feb-21-10 10:24 PM   #86 
           - Probably just that you were ignorant of the facts. That's just a guess though.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:43 PM   #87 
           - Thank you for admitting you would support a ban on bottles. nt  Tim01   Feb-21-10 11:03 PM   #88 
  - It's not such a bad thing  rrneck   Feb-21-10 11:14 AM   #13 
  - Do gun control advocates even advocate banning guns?  Oregone   Feb-21-10 11:43 AM   #14 
  - I am an advocate of total gun bans for civilians.  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 11:46 AM   #15 
  - Yes, but many just want more sensible measures  Oregone   Feb-21-10 11:50 AM   #18 
  - They are too easy to buy and too easy to use  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 11:52 AM   #19 
     - So only big strong healthy bullies,  one-eyed fat man   Feb-21-10 04:18 PM   #69 
     - Your complete and utter submission to authority figures makes me wonder why you are on this site.  proteus_lives   Feb-21-10 09:10 PM   #78 
     - Exactly what I was thinking. nt  Tim01   Feb-22-10 09:45 AM   #91 
     - Like the kid who saved his brother from the home invaders.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:20 PM   #85 
  - That didn't take long.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:12 PM   #80 
  - Don Caballero favors the creation of a police state  slackmaster   Feb-22-10 09:21 AM   #90 
  - Ok, that's fair. Broad brush on my part.  Tim01   Feb-21-10 11:48 AM   #16 
  - And just how many do you purport that to be?  hlthe2b   Feb-21-10 11:58 AM   #21 
  - And a certain  cowman   Feb-21-10 12:20 PM   #28 
  - There you go. Don wants to ban your gun. nt  Tim01   Feb-21-10 11:49 AM   #17 
  - Yes, and they'll send in the Canadians and Mexicans to confiscate them all  slackmaster   Feb-21-10 12:28 PM   #30 
  - Those foreign troops would not be allowed to fire on American civilians  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 12:48 PM   #31 
     - Then confiscation  cowman   Feb-21-10 12:55 PM   #32 
     - Would they  cowman   Feb-21-10 12:57 PM   #33 
     - Of course not  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 01:01 PM   #35 
        - American Armed Forces  cowman   Feb-21-10 01:16 PM   #37 
        - If guns became illegal through law  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 01:17 PM   #38 
           - So tell me  cowman   Feb-21-10 01:33 PM   #39 
           - This would of course be a bipartisan decision  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 01:53 PM   #43 
              - And like I  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:04 PM   #46 
              - Uh no.  beevul   Feb-21-10 02:09 PM   #48 
              - Give it up, beevul..  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 02:42 PM   #58 
                 - True that. N/T  beevul   Feb-21-10 03:50 PM   #64 
              - I am  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:19 PM   #52 
              - American all my life  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 02:20 PM   #53 
                 - Yeah they can  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:27 PM   #56 
              - No, no it wouldn't, won't ever be,  pipoman   Feb-22-10 11:10 PM   #96 
           - At this point I can no longer tell...  PavePusher   Feb-21-10 01:52 PM   #42 
              - I am neither  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 01:55 PM   #44 
                 - You  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:11 PM   #49 
                 - Let me  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:15 PM   #50 
                 - Again I disagree with your assessment of a "slaughter"  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 02:17 PM   #51 
                    - And again  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:25 PM   #54 
                    - The Oath I took  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:32 PM   #57 
                    - Answer me this  cowman   Feb-21-10 02:49 PM   #59 
                       - I never served  Don Caballero   Feb-21-10 02:52 PM   #60 
                          - Thank you for  cowman   Feb-21-10 03:18 PM   #61 
                 - The fact that other countries ban firearms does not make them superior...  spin   Feb-21-10 04:06 PM   #66 
        - If they weren't allowed to fire them...  beevul   Feb-21-10 02:04 PM   #45 
        - You are the incarnation of the gun control reality distortion field.  TPaine7   Feb-21-10 02:04 PM   #47 
        - If I remember correctly, and it has been almost 30 years  oneshooter   Feb-21-10 02:26 PM   #55 
           - Follow Me  dashrif   Feb-22-10 12:23 PM   #92 
     - Oh and one  cowman   Feb-21-10 12:58 PM   #34 
     - If they wouldn't be allowed  rrneck   Feb-21-10 01:07 PM   #36 
     - That will certainly make it easier to kill them.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:12 PM   #81 
     - Then they will fail  slackmaster   Feb-22-10 09:14 AM   #89 
  - I generally oppose people carrying long sharp blades about, especially in establishments  struggle4progress   Feb-21-10 03:32 PM   #62 
  - ????????????  cowman   Feb-21-10 03:37 PM   #63 
  - This is the Gun forum. We try not to have intelligent conversations here  struggle4progress   Feb-21-10 04:14 PM   #67 
     - Well you do make it difficult to do so.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-21-10 10:15 PM   #82 
        - Oops! I apparently phrased that poorly. What I meant to indicate was that there  struggle4progress   Feb-22-10 04:40 PM   #93 
           - I agree, you definitely lower the level of the conversations here.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-22-10 10:36 PM   #95 
  - "A teenager was stabbed to death in a fight outside a bar in Kent"  Tim01   Feb-21-10 03:53 PM   #65 
  - Homicide rate in UK is around 2 per 100K; rate in US is more than double that,  struggle4progress   Feb-21-10 04:37 PM   #71 
     - Your numbers do make sense. nt  Tim01   Feb-21-10 09:09 PM   #77 
     - There's no correlation, much less causation..  X_Digger   Feb-21-10 09:47 PM   #79 
  - Don't live in Florida ...  spin   Feb-21-10 04:17 PM   #68 
  - Multiple fatal knifings do happen...  DrCory   Feb-21-10 04:26 PM   #70 
  - Maybe we should just ban alcoholic beverages. That would reduce crime.....  old mark   Feb-23-10 09:34 AM   #97 

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