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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:33 PM
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44. Trying to break up a teen-age fight is dangerous.
Teens are full of rage and emotion, short on sense, and doubly so if they are in a peer group. If the guard tries to restrain the girl, he will likely get jumped by one of her boyfriends. You needs backup and tools, such as strong pepper spray to try that.

And when it is over, the parent's lawyers will be all over you for adult-on-youth violence. And the parents of the daughters will be on you because in the struggle you touched part of the girl that you aren't supposed to. Try restraining a struggling, kicking, squirming 15 year old girl without making momentary contact with an intimate part.

And since you were acting outside the scope of your employment, neither your employer nor their client will not stand behind you.

A long time ago, when I worked as an armed security guard at an apartment complex, I intervened in a teen situation. That was back before cell-phones, so I had to act on my own. Today, if in the same situation, I would call 911. In the situation, it was about 7PM in winter, temperature was 35 degrees. A 15 yr old girl was supposed to be taking care of a 3 yr old, but she wanted to be with her boyfriends. So she had the toddler with her at the tennis court. The toddler was dressed in only a flimsy sheer nightgown, and was crying terribly from the cold. (Small children, due to small body mass, can lose body heat quickly, and go into hypothermia.) She tried to argue with me, but I cut her short, angrily saying that if she didn't take the baby inside immediately I would call police and report her for child abuse. I was lucky, and she obeyed. There was some complaining later that I had been mean to the teen, but the parents of the baby got involved and they were really angry with the teen.

Another time, as a guard (I don't remember if I was armed or not.) I attempted to break up a teen-age boy group fight. A pile of about ten 17 years swinging. How could they tell who was on who's side, or did they even care? All that happened was that I got included in the mess.They didn't hit me, but just shoved me out of the way. Since there about ten of them, they were able to do that. The fight wound down and they scattered. My employer let me know that I had exceeded my responsibilities, but as nothing came of the fight, I wasn't disciplined.

Nowadays, guard companies are much stricter on their guards. Yet the clients and the general public expect guards to be almost-cops.

Pay for basic, unarmed guards in the Dallas area is about 1.5X to 2X minimum wage. Training consists of one day, if that, and is combined with filling out the new-hire paperwork and company orientation. Some positions are dangerous. Some companies will fire a guard if they find that he is wearing body armor, as they believe that he is planning to go into dangerous situations.
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  -For those of you that think, Security guards and such, will protect you.. virginia mountainman  Feb-10-10 02:24 PM   #0 
  - I'm going to have to rethink my reliance on security guards.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Feb-10-10 02:27 PM   #1 
  - Therefore, we should all carry. Even teenagers. Right?  Dogmudgeon   Feb-10-10 02:27 PM   #2 
  - "no such thing as risk-free existence" - absolutely false!!1!  Tejas   Feb-10-10 02:36 PM   #3 
  - No, not everybody should carry. No gun supporter here that I can remember...  spin   Feb-10-10 04:29 PM   #16 
  - Please, cite? n/t  PavePusher   Feb-10-10 05:07 PM   #17 
  - Uh ... okay  Dogmudgeon   Feb-10-10 09:44 PM   #25 
     - Umm, I meant a cite to where anyone claims that everyone, including children, should have guns.  PavePusher   Feb-11-10 12:28 PM   #35 
  - The ONLY people who say such things..  virginia mountainman   Feb-10-10 07:41 PM   #24 
  - Who has said/advocated this? Please cite names/organizations. nt  SteveM   Feb-10-10 11:15 PM   #29 
  - Observe and Report  Glassunion   Feb-10-10 02:52 PM   #4 
  - OK  Old Codger   Feb-10-10 02:59 PM   #6 
     - Don't get me wrong...  Glassunion   Feb-10-10 03:11 PM   #8 
        - I agree  Old Codger   Feb-10-10 03:32 PM   #9 
  - The security guards emboldened the beating. (typo fixed)  rrneck   Feb-10-10 02:55 PM   #5 
  - No they did not  Glassunion   Feb-10-10 03:09 PM   #7 
     - You're right.  rrneck   Feb-10-10 03:41 PM   #11 
        - LOL!!!  eqfan592   Feb-10-10 09:51 PM   #27 
  - I'll bet the guards would be fired for getting involved.  Tim01   Feb-10-10 03:37 PM   #10 
  - That is true, I remember reading about...  pneutin   Feb-10-10 05:59 PM   #19 
  - I'll take being fired...  PavePusher   Feb-11-10 12:33 PM   #36 
  - The only good security guards are Xe  Gman2   Feb-10-10 03:43 PM   #12 
  - I'll bet Xe would be told to get involved.  Tim01   Feb-10-10 10:36 PM   #28 
  - They'd be told to protect their client.  jeepnstein   Feb-11-10 01:15 PM   #40 
  - Burglar alarm commercials.  gorfle   Feb-11-10 12:49 PM   #37 
     - I HATE that commercial.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-11-10 06:00 PM   #41 
  - Forgot to mention, 1 in 4 persons are employed to keep control over the rest of us.  Gman2   Feb-10-10 03:44 PM   #13 
  - How do you figure?  Glassunion   Feb-10-10 03:58 PM   #15 
  - Study just out, states that 1 in four Americans is employed to watch the rest of us.  Gman2   Feb-10-10 05:58 PM   #18 
     - Shout it from the rooftops !  Katya Mullethov   Feb-10-10 06:12 PM   #20 
     - Man, can you mangle a headline or what..  X_Digger   Feb-10-10 06:53 PM   #21 
  - I saw the thread on that study, but I don't believe it.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-10-10 07:02 PM   #22 
  - Should security have done something: Yes  Travis_0004   Feb-10-10 03:49 PM   #14 
  - The woman they showed was on a bus,  burrfoot   Feb-11-10 10:13 AM   #33 
  - Modern guards, even armed ones, are told to not interfere. They are NOT almost-cops.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-10-10 07:15 PM   #23 
  - True.  jeepnstein   Feb-11-10 01:13 PM   #39 
  - "Security guards" my ass. Sick.  PavePusher   Feb-10-10 09:44 PM   #26 
  - Fortunately, I was under no such illusion in the first place  Euromutt   Feb-10-10 11:19 PM   #30 
  - Damn straight. nt  rrneck   Feb-11-10 10:06 AM   #32 
  - Well said. (n/t)  benEzra   Feb-12-10 08:10 AM   #56 
  - When it comes to self-defense, the only person you should rely on is yourself.  proteus_lives   Feb-11-10 01:11 AM   #31 
  - I sympathize with the guards  rrneck   Feb-11-10 10:20 AM   #34 
  - Juveniles as vermin  one-eyed fat man   Feb-11-10 07:19 PM   #43 
  - Security gaurds are just security theater.  gorfle   Feb-11-10 01:04 PM   #38 
  - I heard on the news that the girl asked the security guards...  spin   Feb-11-10 07:15 PM   #42 
  - I hear you, spin. Me too.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-11-10 08:01 PM   #46 
     - My daughter pointed out to me that jobs are hard to find ...  spin   Feb-11-10 08:35 PM   #47 
        - I would think that had you put the girl emphatically on her ass  TPaine7   Feb-11-10 09:27 PM   #50 
           - That's probably the best thing to do in that situation. (n/t).  spin   Feb-12-10 12:09 AM   #51 
  - Trying to break up a teen-age fight is dangerous.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-11-10 07:33 PM   #44 
  - Speaking for myself, I'm not faulting the security personnel personally  Euromutt   Feb-11-10 09:12 PM   #48 
  - WTF is wrong with this country?!?!  PavePusher   Feb-11-10 09:12 PM   #49 
     - Depends on what they're "guarding"...  jeepnstein   Feb-12-10 07:56 AM   #55 
  - Be your own security guard  Indy Lurker   Feb-11-10 07:53 PM   #45 
  - Most of you have been sucked in like the AP  Indy Lurker   Feb-12-10 06:18 AM   #52 
     - Most people use the two words interchangeably.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-12-10 07:26 AM   #53 
     - you mean those security guys  one-eyed fat man   Feb-12-10 07:34 AM   #54 
        - Exactly.  Indy Lurker   Feb-12-10 11:40 AM   #57 

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