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129. Purchasing an auto does not require registration..
.. only when I choose to take it out into the streets and I required to register it- much like carrying a gun in most states requires licensing.

I can buy ten cars today and have zero interaction with the state.

purchase them at a garage sale or from an ad in the paper


And exactly how many criminal guns are purchased this way now? 1.0% come from 'flea markets' and 0.7% come from 'gun shows'.

So.. this great big, expensive as hell, not likely to be complied with solution gets us what.. a reduction of 1.7% of crime guns? (Assuming of course that you don't just jiggle figures from one column to another- e.g. 'street / illegal source' goes up by that same 1.7%.

And in exchange you get a system ripe for abuse, with a demonstrated precedent.

Again.. no thanks.
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  -Why are so many Dems anti-gun? Bullet1987  Feb-04-10 02:01 PM   #0 
  - The short answer: guns make it easy to kill people.  Deep13   Feb-04-10 02:03 PM   #1 
  - Ghandi would disagree with you.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 02:31 PM   #15 
  - He was free to do so.  Deep13   Feb-04-10 03:42 PM   #37 
     - And the poster gets their answer!  Spoonman   Feb-05-10 03:35 PM   #92 
  - This type of liberal thinking is precisely why many equate liberalism with insanity.  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 01:18 AM   #78 
     - Only Rush Limbaugh and his acolytes equate liberalism with insanity.  jgraz   Feb-05-10 12:48 PM   #88 
        - The belief that violence is never justified or morally correct  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 02:10 PM   #89 
           - The "Liberalism = insanity" slur is pure Rushian propaganda  jgraz   Feb-05-10 04:06 PM   #94 
              - I think you're taking what TPaine was saying a bit out of context.  eqfan592   Feb-05-10 04:30 PM   #96 
                 - Why bring up the slur at all, unless you feel there's some justification for it?  jgraz   Feb-05-10 04:49 PM   #97 
                 - Follow the thread, jgraz  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 05:06 PM   #99 
                 - Deep13's post is not at issue. The fact that you seemed to take his assertion as given is.  jgraz   Feb-05-10 05:36 PM   #101 
                 - Is this just a general statement, like "the sun is hot?"  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 05:10 PM   #100 
                 - Precisely  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 04:56 PM   #98 
  - I own guns  Andy823   Feb-04-10 02:08 PM   #2 
  - I don't agree with assault weapons being in the hands of citizens either  Bullet1987   Feb-04-10 02:11 PM   #5 
  - Welcome to the Gungeon. I've noticed that most people who make statements like that don't really...  slackmaster   Feb-04-10 02:21 PM   #11 
  - Please define "assault weapon"  Callisto32   Feb-04-10 02:31 PM   #16 
  - What is an "assault weapon" and why, if the citizenry cant have them does law enforcement need them?  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:53 PM   #22 
  - Well, I'll jump in on the "assault weapon" misconception...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:10 PM   #43 
  - A word on "assault weapons."  TheWraith   Feb-04-10 06:47 PM   #66 
  - I grew up on a farm and guns were a necessity for us.  pleah   Feb-04-10 02:08 PM   #3 
  - A better question is ...  frazzled   Feb-04-10 02:11 PM   #4 
  - So Many?  brewens   Feb-04-10 02:11 PM   #6 
  - Dangerous attitude...  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:30 PM   #14 
  - Thats because there is no movement  pipoman   Feb-05-10 05:31 AM   #79 
  - I think to some extent that gun views are conditioned by urban/rural background.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-04-10 02:14 PM   #7 
  - You would do better to ask why so many Republicans are pro-gun:  kestrel91316   Feb-04-10 02:15 PM   #8 
  - I do not share this outlook on GOP-Democratic differences...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:24 PM   #44 
  - Because they haven't been manipulated and used, on this issue.  Tim01   Feb-04-10 05:02 PM   #52 
  - This is flat-out BS  MisterBill45   Feb-04-10 06:12 PM   #59 
  - The NRA has given gun ownership a bad name by blindly fighting for...  polichick   Feb-04-10 02:15 PM   #9 
  - The NRA has never taken that position  NoNothing   Feb-04-10 02:18 PM   #10 
  - They haven't? How about after the Oklahoma City  doc03   Feb-09-10 12:10 PM   #178 
     - The reason the NRA opposed taggants  oneshooter   Feb-09-10 07:37 PM   #180 
        - I know, at the time the NRA claimed they didn't know how the  doc03   Feb-10-10 12:30 AM   #192 
  - Agreed polichick!  Ernesto   Feb-04-10 02:22 PM   #12 
  - Please show me where the NRA has ever advocated that.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:55 PM   #25 
  - "The right to own any kind of weapon at all."  Callisto32   Feb-04-10 02:28 PM   #13 
  - You forgot  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:44 PM   #19 
     - self delete  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:59 PM   #26 
     - A single person just can't list them all!  Callisto32   Feb-04-10 05:27 PM   #55 
  - You have been reading too many talking points. Please point out where the NRA advocates that.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:55 PM   #24 
  - I'm no fan of the NRA, but they don't fight for "owning any kind of weapon..."  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:31 PM   #45 
  - You are either telling a non-truth on purpose, or you are uneducated.nt  Tim01   Feb-04-10 05:12 PM   #53 
  - ...a drive-by non-truth at that. nt  Tejas   Feb-06-10 06:20 AM   #102 
  - Why should peaceful, law-abiding Citizens...  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 06:36 PM   #62 
     - Like most people here, I am all in favor of peaceful  safeinOhio   Feb-06-10 10:12 PM   #109 
        - Why should the NRA (or average law abiding gun owners) be responsible for 'fixing' the problem?  X_Digger   Feb-06-10 11:36 PM   #112 
        - I don't get your argument  safeinOhio   Feb-07-10 07:43 AM   #117 
           - "slow the movement of illegalhandguns"..  X_Digger   Feb-07-10 09:23 AM   #119 
              - I don't think ever felon has a girl friend that will buy them a gun. If they do and did  safeinOhio   Feb-07-10 02:12 PM   #126 
                 - Purchasing an auto does not require registration..  X_Digger   Feb-07-10 04:24 PM   #129 
                 - Most Americans, including gun owners agree  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 12:20 AM   #131 
                    - Argumentum ad numerum  Euromutt   Feb-08-10 04:05 AM   #132 
                    - I think even recent polls show that  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 07:55 AM   #134 
                       - That doesn't not make it an argumentum ad numerum  Euromutt   Feb-09-10 06:08 AM   #173 
                    - In 1998 maybe (the date of your article)..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 07:52 AM   #133 
                       - How about a poll from Dec. 2009?  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 09:17 AM   #135 
                          - "It's not what you say, it's what people hear." -- Luntz's motto  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 09:39 AM   #136 
                             - Great poll, only it does not ask the question  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 10:35 AM   #138 
                                - Those are the only recent polls I can find, at a national level..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 10:49 AM   #139 
                                   - Frank Luntz is a right wing hack  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 12:28 PM   #140 
                                      - If he's a hack, why did you endorse his push poll?  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 01:07 PM   #141 
                                         - I disagree with about every thing you are saying  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 01:58 PM   #142 
                                            - Luntz DID do the MAIG poll  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 02:43 PM   #146 
                                               - Ok your 4 fold gets a D-  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 04:09 PM   #149 
                                               - What are you going to 'give' in your compromise?  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 04:45 PM   #151 
                                               - Because of the different state laws,  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 07:32 PM   #161 
                                               - Now on to details..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 08:25 PM   #163 
                                               - No sales between residents of other states.  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 09:24 PM   #166 
                                               - Err, are you the same person who said..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 09:39 PM   #167 
                                               - I'm the same one that said  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 09:56 PM   #168 
                                               - Nor did I say my suggestion was voluntary.. *scratches head*  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 10:13 PM   #169 
                 - Why not lock up the criminals?  wjbarricklow   Feb-09-10 06:51 PM   #179 
                    - Stop Making Sense!!!  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:34 PM   #187 
        - I have often advocated here ...  spin   Feb-07-10 03:37 PM   #128 
           - I agree with you 100%  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 04:14 PM   #150 
           - I can't understand why ...  spin   Feb-08-10 05:52 PM   #154 
           - Tell me what is a "reasonable"fee  oneshooter   Feb-08-10 04:56 PM   #152 
           - Ten to twenty dollars sounds reasonable to me ...  spin   Feb-08-10 05:41 PM   #153 
              - Only half of an answer  oneshooter   Feb-09-10 07:44 PM   #181 
                 - Actually, I believe the cost of a Florida concealed weapons license ...  spin   Feb-09-10 08:40 PM   #183 
                    - I'm talking about the back ground check fee. n/t  oneshooter   Feb-09-10 10:05 PM   #186 
                       - Of course the government could raise that fee ...  spin   Feb-09-10 11:08 PM   #191 
           - Please tell me what other Rights you would be O.K. paying a fee for?  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:51 PM   #189 
  - if you don't "know about guns" - DON"T get one.  mzteris   Feb-04-10 02:33 PM   #17 
  - Here's the thing. I watched rational Massachusetts friends,  canoeist52   Feb-04-10 02:36 PM   #18 
  - Naw,  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:46 PM   #20 
  - The other thing that should tell you is...  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:49 PM   #21 
  - Then democrats should become in favor of supporting the constitution.  Tim01   Feb-04-10 05:26 PM   #54 
  - I own guns  randr   Feb-04-10 02:53 PM   #23 
  - K&R  Ernesto   Feb-04-10 03:00 PM   #27 
  - Yep. There sure has.  armueller2001   Feb-04-10 03:21 PM   #31 
  - ROFL +1 n/t  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 03:32 PM   #34 
  - I was refering to our lifetimes  randr   Feb-04-10 05:29 PM   #56 
     - Yeah! History (and current world events) are irrelevent!  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 06:40 PM   #64 
     - Ireland 1922? Cuba 1959? Algeria 1962? Nicaragua 1979?  Euromutt   Feb-04-10 10:39 PM   #72 
     - I still remember that old Sherman tank the Sandinistas liberated from Somoza...  SteveM   Feb-05-10 08:47 AM   #83 
     - Holy  pipoman   Feb-05-10 05:57 AM   #80 
  - >_<  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 03:30 PM   #33 
  - Battle of Athens - 1946  X_Digger   Feb-04-10 04:00 PM   #39 
  - You don't think we have those things already? nt  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 04:07 PM   #40 
  - John Joe Gray is still holed up  Katya Mullethov   Feb-04-10 06:05 PM   #58 
  - Yorktown  one-eyed fat man   Feb-05-10 07:36 AM   #81 
  - We *DO*.  benEzra   Feb-05-10 08:14 AM   #82 
  - One could say the Soviets were the "authority" the Afghanis fought...and beat.  farmout rightarm   Feb-08-10 10:13 AM   #137 
  - I agree with another poster that you should not get a gun if you don't know how to use it.  LiberalFighter   Feb-04-10 03:00 PM   #28 
  - I don't think a majority of Dems think about the issue at all.  Bonhomme Richard   Feb-04-10 03:01 PM   #29 
  - There is a difference between smoking & furs on the one hand, and guns on the other...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:52 PM   #48 
  - I don't get it. Gun control is conservative policy that looks to take  TheKentuckian   Feb-04-10 03:04 PM   #30 
  - Many of us are anti gun-idiocy.  damntexdem   Feb-04-10 03:22 PM   #32 
  - Please list what "common sense" controls you are speaking of? (nt)  eqfan592   Feb-04-10 03:32 PM   #35 
  - ...and here we go ;-) n/t  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 03:39 PM   #36 
     - Where are we going?  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 04:09 PM   #42 
        - Why are we in this hand-basket?  PavePusher   Feb-08-10 02:06 PM   #143 
  - What "common sense controls" are you referring to? Please explain....  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 04:08 PM   #41 
  - How about a list of those common sense controls they oppose?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-04-10 04:33 PM   #46 
     - How about the registration of all handguns at point of sale?  safeinOhio   Feb-06-10 10:33 PM   #110 
        - Where's the 'common sense'?  X_Digger   Feb-06-10 11:51 PM   #113 
        - What added value does registration bring, and how?  Euromutt   Feb-07-10 05:32 AM   #115 
        - What is the difference from buying any handgun from a  safeinOhio   Feb-07-10 07:13 AM   #116 
           - That doesn't really answer my question  Euromutt   Feb-07-10 11:02 AM   #120 
        - Sigh. Here we go again... The Reprise.  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:41 PM   #188 
  - Because it provides an outlet for racist fears.  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 03:52 PM   #38 
  - on edit  maxsolomon   Feb-04-10 04:43 PM   #47 
     - Pointless?  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 04:53 PM   #49 
     - because its a wedge issue  maxsolomon   Feb-04-10 06:59 PM   #68 
        - I respect that opinion  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 07:29 PM   #69 
        - 'absolutist', 'profit-hungry' weapons industry?  X_Digger   Feb-04-10 08:00 PM   #70 
        - Excuse me, but your blind hatred and ignorance is showing. (nt)  eqfan592   Feb-04-10 08:23 PM   #71 
        - I don't think it's necessary to "move to the right of the NRA"...  benEzra   Feb-07-10 01:34 PM   #122 
     - You haven't explained the relevancy of being "scared"...  SteveM   Feb-05-10 09:14 AM   #86 
  - Because they think of guns as "mean". nt  Tim01   Feb-04-10 04:55 PM   #50 
  - Some noted "liberals, lefties" who owned or advocated for 2A...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 05:01 PM   #51 
  - Many Democrats come from large liberal urban areas ...  spin   Feb-04-10 05:32 PM   #57 
  - I'm not anti-gun, I'm just against certain ones.  demosincebirth   Feb-04-10 06:17 PM   #60 
  - Like what?  MisterBill45   Feb-04-10 06:37 PM   #63 
  - All, except those for sport and hunting. We need no weapons  demosincebirth   Feb-04-10 11:06 PM   #73 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-10 11:39 PM   #76 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-10 03:22 PM   #90 
        - Given your previous verbage regarding weapons  Spoonman   Feb-05-10 03:45 PM   #93 
           - Doubt it all you want I can care less. n/t.  demosincebirth   Feb-05-10 04:12 PM   #95 
              - That expression actually means that it is possible for you to  burrfoot   Feb-06-10 11:15 AM   #104 
     - My wife is alive because she had a handgun when she needed it.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-05-10 12:40 AM   #77 
     - Glad for your wife. I really am, but less guns is better than more guns Thats my belief..  demosincebirth   Feb-05-10 03:27 PM   #91 
        - But gun sales are up and crime is down, murder is down.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-06-10 09:39 PM   #107 
        - You're entitled to your belief, but it's insufficient as a basis for public policy  Euromutt   Feb-06-10 10:36 PM   #111 
     - Nearly all "sport and hunting" weapons were once military weapons...  SteveM   Feb-05-10 09:50 AM   #87 
     - Self Delete. Duplicate. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Feb-06-10 09:37 PM   #106 
     - Given that self-defense is the #1 reason most U.S. gun owners own guns,  benEzra   Feb-07-10 01:38 PM   #123 
     - My sporting and hunting weapons ARE weapons of war.  AtheistCrusader   Feb-07-10 08:44 PM   #130 
  - Which ones, and why?  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 06:43 PM   #65 
     - See post # 73  demosincebirth   Feb-04-10 11:08 PM   #74 
        - Sorry, sweeping generalizations don't cut it.  PavePusher   Feb-07-10 01:39 PM   #124 
        - Crickets..... I thought so. n/t  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:52 PM   #190 
  - The split between repub and Dem/indie gun owners in the USA is about 50/50  benEzra   Feb-04-10 06:35 PM   #61 
  - MUST READ! Very well said. nt  grahamhgreen   Feb-05-10 09:04 AM   #85 
  - Put simply, I think it's an urban versus rural thing.  TheWraith   Feb-04-10 06:56 PM   #67 
  - You're right. lack of exposure is the answer.  MisterBill45   Feb-04-10 11:21 PM   #75 
  - I'm not! I do believe it is a constitutional right to own a weapon.  grahamhgreen   Feb-05-10 09:02 AM   #84 
  - I suggest you look into training before you purchase a firearm  Euromutt   Feb-06-10 08:18 AM   #103 
  - Good advise...  spin   Feb-07-10 12:54 AM   #114 
     - Truth be told, I don't like Glocks either  Euromutt   Feb-07-10 07:47 AM   #118 
        - I always suggest a newbie shooter buys a Ruger .22 target pistol...  spin   Feb-07-10 12:26 PM   #121 
           - On "crunchentickers"...  benEzra   Feb-07-10 01:50 PM   #125 
           - I've only fired a couple of DA/SA pistols ..  spin   Feb-07-10 03:08 PM   #127 
           - I like DA/SA.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-08-10 02:38 PM   #145 
              - You do make some good points. (n/t)  spin   Feb-08-10 05:54 PM   #155 
              - Hey, if it works for you, that's what matters  Euromutt   Feb-09-10 07:45 PM   #182 
  - I think it's cultural, and not just rural vs. urban  eallen   Feb-06-10 04:13 PM   #105 
  - When I grew up in Texas in the 1950s, everybody was a Democrat and...  GreenStormCloud   Feb-06-10 09:45 PM   #108 
  - Strangely, when I grew up in Ohio ...  spin   Feb-08-10 06:40 PM   #157 
  - I wonder about the same thing.  aikoaiko   Feb-08-10 02:15 PM   #144 
  - Because we understand the issue better  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 02:56 PM   #147 
     - Well then, by all means, please explain it to the rest of us.....  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 03:02 PM   #148 
     - The question was asked and answered  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 06:41 PM   #158 
        - It was hardly answered. You made a blanket statement that had nothing to support it.  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 07:30 PM   #160 
           - go have your debate with someone else  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 09:12 PM   #164 
              - If you're not interested in a debate, what are you doing on a discussion board?  Euromutt   Feb-09-10 09:18 PM   #184 
                 - nah. Just that one particular debate.  yodoobo   Feb-09-10 09:44 PM   #185 
     - That's good ...  spin   Feb-08-10 06:13 PM   #156 
        - I suppose it is a bit of a drive by post  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 06:52 PM   #159 
           - But the evidence does not support you, in fact, the evidence refutes your claim.  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 07:33 PM   #162 
           - The OP seems to acknowledge this  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 09:17 PM   #165 
              - Ah, the old "you either with us or your against us" canard.  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 10:50 PM   #170 
              - i don't think so.  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 11:41 PM   #172 
                 - But can't you see that THIS is a LOSING issue for Dems?  rd_kent   Feb-09-10 11:53 AM   #177 
              - I'm not going to support a bad idea no matter the party.  Tim01   Feb-09-10 06:39 AM   #174 
              - I couldn't support Democratic Pary-inspired apartheid laws, and I can't now...  SteveM   Feb-09-10 10:48 AM   #176 
           - Well you are not a drive by poster...  spin   Feb-08-10 11:08 PM   #171 
           - My reasons are very similar  Euromutt   Feb-10-10 04:21 AM   #193 
           - Actually, there is evidence that the public IS "...changing things"...  SteveM   Feb-09-10 10:35 AM   #175 
 

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