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101. Deep13's post is not at issue. The fact that you seemed to take his assertion as given is.
It made it look as if you did not understand the difference between pacifism and liberalism and you were using that lack of understanding to justify Teabagger mentality.

However, you've made it clear that you did not intend that, and I accept it. Let's move on to our next time-wasting argument.
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  -Why are so many Dems anti-gun? Bullet1987  Feb-04-10 02:01 PM   #0 
  - The short answer: guns make it easy to kill people.  Deep13   Feb-04-10 02:03 PM   #1 
  - Ghandi would disagree with you.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 02:31 PM   #15 
  - He was free to do so.  Deep13   Feb-04-10 03:42 PM   #37 
     - And the poster gets their answer!  Spoonman   Feb-05-10 03:35 PM   #92 
  - This type of liberal thinking is precisely why many equate liberalism with insanity.  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 01:18 AM   #78 
     - Only Rush Limbaugh and his acolytes equate liberalism with insanity.  jgraz   Feb-05-10 12:48 PM   #88 
        - The belief that violence is never justified or morally correct  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 02:10 PM   #89 
           - The "Liberalism = insanity" slur is pure Rushian propaganda  jgraz   Feb-05-10 04:06 PM   #94 
              - I think you're taking what TPaine was saying a bit out of context.  eqfan592   Feb-05-10 04:30 PM   #96 
                 - Why bring up the slur at all, unless you feel there's some justification for it?  jgraz   Feb-05-10 04:49 PM   #97 
                 - Follow the thread, jgraz  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 05:06 PM   #99 
                 - Deep13's post is not at issue. The fact that you seemed to take his assertion as given is.  jgraz   Feb-05-10 05:36 PM   #101 
                 - Is this just a general statement, like "the sun is hot?"  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 05:10 PM   #100 
                 - Precisely  TPaine7   Feb-05-10 04:56 PM   #98 
  - I own guns  Andy823   Feb-04-10 02:08 PM   #2 
  - I don't agree with assault weapons being in the hands of citizens either  Bullet1987   Feb-04-10 02:11 PM   #5 
  - Welcome to the Gungeon. I've noticed that most people who make statements like that don't really...  slackmaster   Feb-04-10 02:21 PM   #11 
  - Please define "assault weapon"  Callisto32   Feb-04-10 02:31 PM   #16 
  - What is an "assault weapon" and why, if the citizenry cant have them does law enforcement need them?  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:53 PM   #22 
  - Well, I'll jump in on the "assault weapon" misconception...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:10 PM   #43 
  - A word on "assault weapons."  TheWraith   Feb-04-10 06:47 PM   #66 
  - I grew up on a farm and guns were a necessity for us.  pleah   Feb-04-10 02:08 PM   #3 
  - A better question is ...  frazzled   Feb-04-10 02:11 PM   #4 
  - So Many?  brewens   Feb-04-10 02:11 PM   #6 
  - Dangerous attitude...  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:30 PM   #14 
  - Thats because there is no movement  pipoman   Feb-05-10 05:31 AM   #79 
  - I think to some extent that gun views are conditioned by urban/rural background.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-04-10 02:14 PM   #7 
  - You would do better to ask why so many Republicans are pro-gun:  kestrel91316   Feb-04-10 02:15 PM   #8 
  - I do not share this outlook on GOP-Democratic differences...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:24 PM   #44 
  - Because they haven't been manipulated and used, on this issue.  Tim01   Feb-04-10 05:02 PM   #52 
  - This is flat-out BS  MisterBill45   Feb-04-10 06:12 PM   #59 
  - The NRA has given gun ownership a bad name by blindly fighting for...  polichick   Feb-04-10 02:15 PM   #9 
  - The NRA has never taken that position  NoNothing   Feb-04-10 02:18 PM   #10 
  - They haven't? How about after the Oklahoma City  doc03   Feb-09-10 12:10 PM   #178 
     - The reason the NRA opposed taggants  oneshooter   Feb-09-10 07:37 PM   #180 
        - I know, at the time the NRA claimed they didn't know how the  doc03   Feb-10-10 12:30 AM   #192 
  - Agreed polichick!  Ernesto   Feb-04-10 02:22 PM   #12 
  - Please show me where the NRA has ever advocated that.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:55 PM   #25 
  - "The right to own any kind of weapon at all."  Callisto32   Feb-04-10 02:28 PM   #13 
  - You forgot  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:44 PM   #19 
     - self delete  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:59 PM   #26 
     - A single person just can't list them all!  Callisto32   Feb-04-10 05:27 PM   #55 
  - You have been reading too many talking points. Please point out where the NRA advocates that.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 02:55 PM   #24 
  - I'm no fan of the NRA, but they don't fight for "owning any kind of weapon..."  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:31 PM   #45 
  - You are either telling a non-truth on purpose, or you are uneducated.nt  Tim01   Feb-04-10 05:12 PM   #53 
  - ...a drive-by non-truth at that. nt  Tejas   Feb-06-10 06:20 AM   #102 
  - Why should peaceful, law-abiding Citizens...  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 06:36 PM   #62 
     - Like most people here, I am all in favor of peaceful  safeinOhio   Feb-06-10 10:12 PM   #109 
        - Why should the NRA (or average law abiding gun owners) be responsible for 'fixing' the problem?  X_Digger   Feb-06-10 11:36 PM   #112 
        - I don't get your argument  safeinOhio   Feb-07-10 07:43 AM   #117 
           - "slow the movement of illegalhandguns"..  X_Digger   Feb-07-10 09:23 AM   #119 
              - I don't think ever felon has a girl friend that will buy them a gun. If they do and did  safeinOhio   Feb-07-10 02:12 PM   #126 
                 - Purchasing an auto does not require registration..  X_Digger   Feb-07-10 04:24 PM   #129 
                 - Most Americans, including gun owners agree  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 12:20 AM   #131 
                    - Argumentum ad numerum  Euromutt   Feb-08-10 04:05 AM   #132 
                    - I think even recent polls show that  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 07:55 AM   #134 
                       - That doesn't not make it an argumentum ad numerum  Euromutt   Feb-09-10 06:08 AM   #173 
                    - In 1998 maybe (the date of your article)..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 07:52 AM   #133 
                       - How about a poll from Dec. 2009?  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 09:17 AM   #135 
                          - "It's not what you say, it's what people hear." -- Luntz's motto  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 09:39 AM   #136 
                             - Great poll, only it does not ask the question  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 10:35 AM   #138 
                                - Those are the only recent polls I can find, at a national level..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 10:49 AM   #139 
                                   - Frank Luntz is a right wing hack  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 12:28 PM   #140 
                                      - If he's a hack, why did you endorse his push poll?  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 01:07 PM   #141 
                                         - I disagree with about every thing you are saying  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 01:58 PM   #142 
                                            - Luntz DID do the MAIG poll  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 02:43 PM   #146 
                                               - Ok your 4 fold gets a D-  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 04:09 PM   #149 
                                               - What are you going to 'give' in your compromise?  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 04:45 PM   #151 
                                               - Because of the different state laws,  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 07:32 PM   #161 
                                               - Now on to details..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 08:25 PM   #163 
                                               - No sales between residents of other states.  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 09:24 PM   #166 
                                               - Err, are you the same person who said..  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 09:39 PM   #167 
                                               - I'm the same one that said  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 09:56 PM   #168 
                                               - Nor did I say my suggestion was voluntary.. *scratches head*  X_Digger   Feb-08-10 10:13 PM   #169 
                 - Why not lock up the criminals?  wjbarricklow   Feb-09-10 06:51 PM   #179 
                    - Stop Making Sense!!!  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:34 PM   #187 
        - I have often advocated here ...  spin   Feb-07-10 03:37 PM   #128 
           - I agree with you 100%  safeinOhio   Feb-08-10 04:14 PM   #150 
           - I can't understand why ...  spin   Feb-08-10 05:52 PM   #154 
           - Tell me what is a "reasonable"fee  oneshooter   Feb-08-10 04:56 PM   #152 
           - Ten to twenty dollars sounds reasonable to me ...  spin   Feb-08-10 05:41 PM   #153 
              - Only half of an answer  oneshooter   Feb-09-10 07:44 PM   #181 
                 - Actually, I believe the cost of a Florida concealed weapons license ...  spin   Feb-09-10 08:40 PM   #183 
                    - I'm talking about the back ground check fee. n/t  oneshooter   Feb-09-10 10:05 PM   #186 
                       - Of course the government could raise that fee ...  spin   Feb-09-10 11:08 PM   #191 
           - Please tell me what other Rights you would be O.K. paying a fee for?  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:51 PM   #189 
  - if you don't "know about guns" - DON"T get one.  mzteris   Feb-04-10 02:33 PM   #17 
  - Here's the thing. I watched rational Massachusetts friends,  canoeist52   Feb-04-10 02:36 PM   #18 
  - Naw,  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:46 PM   #20 
  - The other thing that should tell you is...  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 02:49 PM   #21 
  - Then democrats should become in favor of supporting the constitution.  Tim01   Feb-04-10 05:26 PM   #54 
  - I own guns  randr   Feb-04-10 02:53 PM   #23 
  - K&R  Ernesto   Feb-04-10 03:00 PM   #27 
  - Yep. There sure has.  armueller2001   Feb-04-10 03:21 PM   #31 
  - ROFL +1 n/t  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 03:32 PM   #34 
  - I was refering to our lifetimes  randr   Feb-04-10 05:29 PM   #56 
     - Yeah! History (and current world events) are irrelevent!  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 06:40 PM   #64 
     - Ireland 1922? Cuba 1959? Algeria 1962? Nicaragua 1979?  Euromutt   Feb-04-10 10:39 PM   #72 
     - I still remember that old Sherman tank the Sandinistas liberated from Somoza...  SteveM   Feb-05-10 08:47 AM   #83 
     - Holy  pipoman   Feb-05-10 05:57 AM   #80 
  - >_<  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 03:30 PM   #33 
  - Battle of Athens - 1946  X_Digger   Feb-04-10 04:00 PM   #39 
  - You don't think we have those things already? nt  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 04:07 PM   #40 
  - John Joe Gray is still holed up  Katya Mullethov   Feb-04-10 06:05 PM   #58 
  - Yorktown  one-eyed fat man   Feb-05-10 07:36 AM   #81 
  - We *DO*.  benEzra   Feb-05-10 08:14 AM   #82 
  - One could say the Soviets were the "authority" the Afghanis fought...and beat.  farmout rightarm   Feb-08-10 10:13 AM   #137 
  - I agree with another poster that you should not get a gun if you don't know how to use it.  LiberalFighter   Feb-04-10 03:00 PM   #28 
  - I don't think a majority of Dems think about the issue at all.  Bonhomme Richard   Feb-04-10 03:01 PM   #29 
  - There is a difference between smoking & furs on the one hand, and guns on the other...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 04:52 PM   #48 
  - I don't get it. Gun control is conservative policy that looks to take  TheKentuckian   Feb-04-10 03:04 PM   #30 
  - Many of us are anti gun-idiocy.  damntexdem   Feb-04-10 03:22 PM   #32 
  - Please list what "common sense" controls you are speaking of? (nt)  eqfan592   Feb-04-10 03:32 PM   #35 
  - ...and here we go ;-) n/t  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 03:39 PM   #36 
     - Where are we going?  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 04:09 PM   #42 
        - Why are we in this hand-basket?  PavePusher   Feb-08-10 02:06 PM   #143 
  - What "common sense controls" are you referring to? Please explain....  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 04:08 PM   #41 
  - How about a list of those common sense controls they oppose?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-04-10 04:33 PM   #46 
     - How about the registration of all handguns at point of sale?  safeinOhio   Feb-06-10 10:33 PM   #110 
        - Where's the 'common sense'?  X_Digger   Feb-06-10 11:51 PM   #113 
        - What added value does registration bring, and how?  Euromutt   Feb-07-10 05:32 AM   #115 
        - What is the difference from buying any handgun from a  safeinOhio   Feb-07-10 07:13 AM   #116 
           - That doesn't really answer my question  Euromutt   Feb-07-10 11:02 AM   #120 
        - Sigh. Here we go again... The Reprise.  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:41 PM   #188 
  - Because it provides an outlet for racist fears.  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 03:52 PM   #38 
  - on edit  maxsolomon   Feb-04-10 04:43 PM   #47 
     - Pointless?  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 04:53 PM   #49 
     - because its a wedge issue  maxsolomon   Feb-04-10 06:59 PM   #68 
        - I respect that opinion  Jackson1999   Feb-04-10 07:29 PM   #69 
        - 'absolutist', 'profit-hungry' weapons industry?  X_Digger   Feb-04-10 08:00 PM   #70 
        - Excuse me, but your blind hatred and ignorance is showing. (nt)  eqfan592   Feb-04-10 08:23 PM   #71 
        - I don't think it's necessary to "move to the right of the NRA"...  benEzra   Feb-07-10 01:34 PM   #122 
     - You haven't explained the relevancy of being "scared"...  SteveM   Feb-05-10 09:14 AM   #86 
  - Because they think of guns as "mean". nt  Tim01   Feb-04-10 04:55 PM   #50 
  - Some noted "liberals, lefties" who owned or advocated for 2A...  SteveM   Feb-04-10 05:01 PM   #51 
  - Many Democrats come from large liberal urban areas ...  spin   Feb-04-10 05:32 PM   #57 
  - I'm not anti-gun, I'm just against certain ones.  demosincebirth   Feb-04-10 06:17 PM   #60 
  - Like what?  MisterBill45   Feb-04-10 06:37 PM   #63 
  - All, except those for sport and hunting. We need no weapons  demosincebirth   Feb-04-10 11:06 PM   #73 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-10 11:39 PM   #76 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-05-10 03:22 PM   #90 
        - Given your previous verbage regarding weapons  Spoonman   Feb-05-10 03:45 PM   #93 
           - Doubt it all you want I can care less. n/t.  demosincebirth   Feb-05-10 04:12 PM   #95 
              - That expression actually means that it is possible for you to  burrfoot   Feb-06-10 11:15 AM   #104 
     - My wife is alive because she had a handgun when she needed it.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-05-10 12:40 AM   #77 
     - Glad for your wife. I really am, but less guns is better than more guns Thats my belief..  demosincebirth   Feb-05-10 03:27 PM   #91 
        - But gun sales are up and crime is down, murder is down.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-06-10 09:39 PM   #107 
        - You're entitled to your belief, but it's insufficient as a basis for public policy  Euromutt   Feb-06-10 10:36 PM   #111 
     - Nearly all "sport and hunting" weapons were once military weapons...  SteveM   Feb-05-10 09:50 AM   #87 
     - Self Delete. Duplicate. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Feb-06-10 09:37 PM   #106 
     - Given that self-defense is the #1 reason most U.S. gun owners own guns,  benEzra   Feb-07-10 01:38 PM   #123 
     - My sporting and hunting weapons ARE weapons of war.  AtheistCrusader   Feb-07-10 08:44 PM   #130 
  - Which ones, and why?  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 06:43 PM   #65 
     - See post # 73  demosincebirth   Feb-04-10 11:08 PM   #74 
        - Sorry, sweeping generalizations don't cut it.  PavePusher   Feb-07-10 01:39 PM   #124 
        - Crickets..... I thought so. n/t  PavePusher   Feb-09-10 10:52 PM   #190 
  - The split between repub and Dem/indie gun owners in the USA is about 50/50  benEzra   Feb-04-10 06:35 PM   #61 
  - MUST READ! Very well said. nt  grahamhgreen   Feb-05-10 09:04 AM   #85 
  - Put simply, I think it's an urban versus rural thing.  TheWraith   Feb-04-10 06:56 PM   #67 
  - You're right. lack of exposure is the answer.  MisterBill45   Feb-04-10 11:21 PM   #75 
  - I'm not! I do believe it is a constitutional right to own a weapon.  grahamhgreen   Feb-05-10 09:02 AM   #84 
  - I suggest you look into training before you purchase a firearm  Euromutt   Feb-06-10 08:18 AM   #103 
  - Good advise...  spin   Feb-07-10 12:54 AM   #114 
     - Truth be told, I don't like Glocks either  Euromutt   Feb-07-10 07:47 AM   #118 
        - I always suggest a newbie shooter buys a Ruger .22 target pistol...  spin   Feb-07-10 12:26 PM   #121 
           - On "crunchentickers"...  benEzra   Feb-07-10 01:50 PM   #125 
           - I've only fired a couple of DA/SA pistols ..  spin   Feb-07-10 03:08 PM   #127 
           - I like DA/SA.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-08-10 02:38 PM   #145 
              - You do make some good points. (n/t)  spin   Feb-08-10 05:54 PM   #155 
              - Hey, if it works for you, that's what matters  Euromutt   Feb-09-10 07:45 PM   #182 
  - I think it's cultural, and not just rural vs. urban  eallen   Feb-06-10 04:13 PM   #105 
  - When I grew up in Texas in the 1950s, everybody was a Democrat and...  GreenStormCloud   Feb-06-10 09:45 PM   #108 
  - Strangely, when I grew up in Ohio ...  spin   Feb-08-10 06:40 PM   #157 
  - I wonder about the same thing.  aikoaiko   Feb-08-10 02:15 PM   #144 
  - Because we understand the issue better  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 02:56 PM   #147 
     - Well then, by all means, please explain it to the rest of us.....  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 03:02 PM   #148 
     - The question was asked and answered  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 06:41 PM   #158 
        - It was hardly answered. You made a blanket statement that had nothing to support it.  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 07:30 PM   #160 
           - go have your debate with someone else  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 09:12 PM   #164 
              - If you're not interested in a debate, what are you doing on a discussion board?  Euromutt   Feb-09-10 09:18 PM   #184 
                 - nah. Just that one particular debate.  yodoobo   Feb-09-10 09:44 PM   #185 
     - That's good ...  spin   Feb-08-10 06:13 PM   #156 
        - I suppose it is a bit of a drive by post  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 06:52 PM   #159 
           - But the evidence does not support you, in fact, the evidence refutes your claim.  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 07:33 PM   #162 
           - The OP seems to acknowledge this  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 09:17 PM   #165 
              - Ah, the old "you either with us or your against us" canard.  rd_kent   Feb-08-10 10:50 PM   #170 
              - i don't think so.  yodoobo   Feb-08-10 11:41 PM   #172 
                 - But can't you see that THIS is a LOSING issue for Dems?  rd_kent   Feb-09-10 11:53 AM   #177 
              - I'm not going to support a bad idea no matter the party.  Tim01   Feb-09-10 06:39 AM   #174 
              - I couldn't support Democratic Pary-inspired apartheid laws, and I can't now...  SteveM   Feb-09-10 10:48 AM   #176 
           - Well you are not a drive by poster...  spin   Feb-08-10 11:08 PM   #171 
           - My reasons are very similar  Euromutt   Feb-10-10 04:21 AM   #193 
           - Actually, there is evidence that the public IS "...changing things"...  SteveM   Feb-09-10 10:35 AM   #175 
 

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