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russ1943 Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:48 PM
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62. Not exactly,
Sorry. Although I think rd kent is to be complemented for finding a site Ive referenced numerous times.
The site and link provided by rd kent is misleading and it just isnt what rd kent says it is, although it is understandable how it can be misunderstood.

The way statistics can be sliced, diced correlated etc makes for an occasional mistake, that is understandable.
Ive been interested in statistics regarding deaths by firearms and occasionally post here about some I think are relevant. The Table A, on Page 3, from where the statistics rd kent posted, arent what they seem.

Look at Page 1 where it states;

In 2005, the 10 leading causes of death were, in rank order: Diseases of heart; Malignant neoplasms; Cerebrovascular diseases; Chronic lower respiratory diseases; Accidents (unintentional injuries); Diabetes mellitus; Alzheimers disease; Influenza and pneumonia; Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis; and Septicemia. They accounted for about 77 percent of all deaths occurring in the United States.

It is simple enough to GOOGLE Salmonella to see that;

Three pathogens, Salmonella, Listeria, and Toxoplasma, are responsible for 1,500 deaths each year,

Approximately 600 deaths are caused by Salmonella infections in the U.S. every year.. /

Each year approximately 40,000 cases of salmonella (salmonellosis) are reported in the United States; many more go unreported. Unfortunately,600 US patients die annually.

Read more at Suite101: Salmonella Poisoning: Symptoms, Causes and Treatment

Salmonella infection is responsible for approximately 600 deaths in the US each year.

At about 600 deaths in the US annually there is no way that that cause of death could be the Number one cause of death in the US!

It would take too much time to fully explain why this is listed the way it is and I cant claim to fully understand it myself.
I do understand that the National Vital Statistics Reports U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
National Center for Health Statistics National Vital Statistics System are a credible reputable source for statistics regarding deaths from a variety of causes although it can be difficult to find the pertinent data.

These Deaths: Final Data Reports are issued periodically and revised routinely.
The 2006 Volume 57, Number 14 April 17, 2009 Deaths: Final Data for 2006 at;
Is the most recent Report with the statistics, data and charts germane to the fireams discussion.

Tables 18, 19 20 and especially Table 29s six pages are the ones Ive referenced and linked numerous times in the dungeon previously.

Injury mortality by mechanism and intent
In 2006, a total of 179,065 deaths were classified as injury-related (Table 18).
Motor-vehicle trafficIn 2006, motor-vehicle traffic-related injuries resulted in 43,664 deaths, accounting for 24.4 percent of all injury deaths (Table 18)..
PoisoningIn 2006, 37,286 deaths occurred as the result of poisonings, 20.8 percent of all injury deaths (Table 18)
FirearmIn 2006, 30,896 persons died from firearm injuries in the United States (Tables 1820), accounting for 17.3 percent of all injury deaths that year.. Mortality patterns vary considerably by state (Table 29).
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  -Leading causes of deaths in the US.....guns near the bottom of the list... rd_kent  Feb-04-10 11:48 AM   #0 
  - The fact that Accidental Discharge of Firearms is above DROWNING is shocking  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-04-10 11:51 AM   #1 
  - Really? In what way?  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 11:53 AM   #2 
  - They should not simply be rare, but obsolete...n/t  joeybee12   Feb-04-10 11:54 AM   #3 
     - Riiigghht....Lets work on those motor vehicle deaths first, they kill more people.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:11 PM   #8 
     - And those accidental FALLS should get some attention too, gotta stop those falls!  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:18 PM   #14 
     - All you have to do is uninvent guns. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Feb-04-10 01:08 PM   #36 
  - I think this is about how you frame it-  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:03 PM   #5 
  - The fact that FALLING is above firearms is shocking...  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:18 PM   #13 
  - Stairs embolden falling!  proteus_lives   Feb-04-10 11:01 PM   #55 
     - We should  rrneck   Feb-04-10 11:37 PM   #57 
  - That table doesn't list the causes by frequency of occurrence  Euromutt   Feb-04-10 07:39 PM   #53 
  - But how often are you around water you could drown in?  Tim01   Feb-04-10 08:00 PM   #54 
  - And...per do we compare with Canada and Britain??? NOT well. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-04-10 11:57 AM   #4 
  - While it's interesting to  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:09 PM   #7 
  - In some sense, true. But Canadians and Brits watch the same programs, listen to the same music...  Captain Hilts   Feb-04-10 12:16 PM   #11 
     - And have 1/10th the population, and 1/10th the population density  X_Digger   Feb-04-10 12:21 PM   #15 
     - British pop. density is fairly high...  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 07:12 PM   #51 
     - I grant your premise-  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:31 PM   #22 
  - Actually, I want to know  NoNothing   Feb-04-10 12:12 PM   #9 
  - Here is a link. Since the gun ban in Britain, HANDGUN crime has RISEN!  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:41 PM   #28 
  - Firearms shows up three times on that list.  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 12:09 PM   #6 
  - interesting that you make that conclusion, because it just wrong.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:16 PM   #12 
  - I recognize that they pose a threat in three categories. Making the problem rather urgent!  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 12:25 PM   #17 
     - Only in your head, shares, only in your head.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:28 PM   #19 
  - I don't think that's particularly relevant,  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:21 PM   #16 
  - Here ya go, have a look for yourself.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:29 PM   #20 
  - Thanks for the link!  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:38 PM   #26 
  - A versatile implement of death. True? Or just emotional?  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 12:31 PM   #21 
     - Dude, you really make no sense sometimes  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:38 PM   #25 
     - I already possess the knowledge that bullets entering your body are bad for your health.  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 12:41 PM   #27 
        - So is falling down and drowning and driving a car, whats your point?  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:42 PM   #29 
           - Those only parallel the "accidental" category. And they all give you a fighting chance.  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 12:44 PM   #30 
              - As usual, you make no sense.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:51 PM   #34 
              - People can't commit suicide by drowning or vehicles?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 01:12 PM   #38 
              - Drowning does not give you a fighting chance.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-04-10 01:12 PM   #39 
              - Perhaps you advocate letting everyone buy body armor.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 01:14 PM   #41 
                 - Then, as luck would have it, shot in the head. Oh well.  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 01:20 PM   #45 
                    - You wacth too many movies.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 01:53 PM   #48 
     - Ooooh that's a tricky one.  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:47 PM   #31 
        - The user is everything, and having guns available makes that too deadly a crapshoot to tolerate.  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 12:49 PM   #33 
           - But why is it that you only  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 01:05 PM   #35 
           - Everyone is observing the policy in the UK and Australia.  sharesunited   Feb-04-10 01:14 PM   #43 
              - As usual, you are wrong. Her are some hard facts for you, shares.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 01:55 PM   #49 
           - You should probably move then.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-04-10 01:13 PM   #40 
  - Murder versus accident versus suicide. Three different deaths, categorically speaking.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 01:09 PM   #37 
     - "Gun control " is less about guns and more about control. n/t  oneshooter   Feb-04-10 01:37 PM   #47 
        - For hoplophobes, it's all about the guns. n/t  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-04-10 01:58 PM   #50 
  - Salmonella? Really? Hmmm. I'll have to be less lax about food prep and storage. I will  GreenPartyVoter   Feb-04-10 12:13 PM   #10 
  - Actually, you're wrong in how this report is presenting. Table C shows the  sinkingfeeling   Feb-04-10 12:25 PM   #18 
  - What? The only numbers in his post are the ranking #'s of the causes. n/t  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:32 PM   #23 
  - The OP lists 113 selected caused of death, the ones with a '#' were the selected 50.  sinkingfeeling   Feb-05-10 03:00 PM   #60 
  - Im not following you.  rd_kent   Feb-04-10 12:36 PM   #24 
     - See above reply. You're mis-reading the report.  sinkingfeeling   Feb-05-10 03:01 PM   #61 
  - I'm going to ask this, purely out of curiosity-  burrfoot   Feb-04-10 12:49 PM   #32 
  - I have noticed that too. All gungeon threads get automatic unrecs...  GreenStormCloud   Feb-04-10 01:14 PM   #42 
     - K&R...I like interesting gun posts so I'll cancel out the un-rec. (n/t)  spin   Feb-04-10 01:19 PM   #44 
  - Extremely misleading, IMO.  denverbill   Feb-04-10 01:28 PM   #46 
  - You think that unintentional injuries are all caused by guns?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-04-10 11:11 PM   #56 
  - Yes, that's precisely what I said. Only using different words and meanings somehow.  denverbill   Feb-05-10 01:54 PM   #58 
     - There is no need to speculate all the information is available.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-05-10 02:46 PM   #59 
  - Very fair question.  AtheistCrusader   Feb-06-10 01:17 AM   #63 
  - You're looking at Table A, which isn't ordered by number of deaths  Euromutt   Feb-04-10 07:34 PM   #52 
  - Not exactly,  russ1943   Feb-05-10 11:48 PM   #62 
     - OP  russ1943   Feb-08-10 12:07 AM   #64 

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