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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:22 PM
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14. Government is NOT the source of our rights.
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 05:23 PM by rd_kent
The Constitution outlines what our natural rights are and only limits how the government can restrict those rights. IOW, the COnstitution is there to protects our rights FROM the government.

On edit...sorry I just saw you had made a typo.
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  -Arizona Bill Seeks to Make Permits and Background Checks Optional oneshooter  Feb-02-10 10:01 AM   #0 
  - I don't think CCW permits are too restrictive. This is a toss-up for me.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-02-10 10:10 AM   #1 
  - Vermont has this too. nt  TheWraith   Feb-02-10 11:07 AM   #2 
  - Not sure I agree with this. Background checks need to be kept, but thats it.  rd_kent   Feb-02-10 11:12 AM   #3 
  - I was not aware of the "God-given right to carry"  phantom power   Feb-02-10 12:45 PM   #4 
  - It should be 1895 again.  Glassunion   Feb-02-10 12:48 PM   #5 
  - Do you not realize....  MisterBill45   Feb-02-10 01:50 PM   #6 
  - Well said. I appreciate straight forward insight  Salmonslayer   Feb-02-10 02:09 PM   #7 
  - Correction:  PavePusher   Feb-02-10 02:57 PM   #9 
  - thx ... It was a typo on=not  Salmonslayer   Feb-02-10 04:31 PM   #11 
     - My bad, I was seeing it as "only".  PavePusher   Feb-02-10 04:38 PM   #12 
  - Government is NOT the source of our rights.  rd_kent   Feb-02-10 05:22 PM   #14 
  - I don't see the problem.  phantom power   Feb-02-10 02:10 PM   #8 
  - Fair questions, worth a fair answer  MisterBill45   Feb-02-10 04:30 PM   #10 
  - I don't feel the license proceedure is redundant.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-03-10 08:18 AM   #21 
  - It's an infringement in that you must still go through...  PavePusher   Feb-03-10 09:51 AM   #22 
     - A shall issue, free validation card with NICS check offer no obstacles.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-03-10 11:58 AM   #25 
        - It is still "presumed guilty until proven innocent"...  PavePusher   Feb-03-10 04:48 PM   #26 
  - Interesting points. I'll play devil's advocate:  phantom power   Feb-03-10 10:14 AM   #23 
     - A quibble..  X_Digger   Feb-03-10 11:11 AM   #24 
  - forgot to add  MisterBill45   Feb-02-10 04:41 PM   #13 
  - Do you realize that this is not true?  michreject   Feb-04-10 10:18 AM   #48 
  - Political party is not an indicator of a person's opinions on guns  pneutin   Feb-03-10 01:28 AM   #18 
  - Personally I'd like to see that a person who wants to carry a  RamboLiberal   Feb-02-10 05:33 PM   #15 
  - I qualified for several years with local leos, talk about amazed  pipoman   Feb-02-10 06:42 PM   #16 
  - Theres a problem with that.  MisterBill45   Feb-03-10 01:21 AM   #17 
  - Right now the poor are disenfrancised by a number of gun laws  RamboLiberal   Feb-03-10 05:28 PM   #28 
  - In the abstract, I agree, but in practice I have to agree with MrBill45  Euromutt   Feb-03-10 06:35 AM   #19 
  - Good arguments but have you noticed that most of the states  RamboLiberal   Feb-03-10 05:10 PM   #27 
     - Do you agree with the Texas CHL system?  oneshooter   Feb-03-10 05:42 PM   #31 
        - Hey they passed it - and Texas is a redder than red state  RamboLiberal   Feb-03-10 05:52 PM   #32 
           - Let me restate my question.  oneshooter   Feb-03-10 06:26 PM   #36 
           - I'm not in Texas and haven't taken their course  RamboLiberal   Feb-04-10 05:53 PM   #50 
           - Here in Texas we are trying for some other things first. On our wish list:  GreenStormCloud   Feb-03-10 06:36 PM   #37 
              - I have no problem with any of those on the wish list  RamboLiberal   Feb-04-10 05:58 PM   #51 
  - Having driving tests does not seem to noticeably insure competence.  PavePusher   Feb-03-10 07:38 AM   #20 
     - But would you want the states to turn loose anyone who just wanted  RamboLiberal   Feb-03-10 05:31 PM   #29 
        - When states have CCW testing and licensing offices all over with set hours  rd_kent   Feb-03-10 05:42 PM   #30 
        - And who in the state govt would you want to run?  RamboLiberal   Feb-03-10 05:56 PM   #33 
           - But thats the point. A drivers license is a privilege, granted by the government  rd_kent   Feb-03-10 06:01 PM   #34 
              - Until the SCOTUS rules or Congress passes a law  RamboLiberal   Feb-03-10 06:12 PM   #35 
                 - I think the text of the 2nd Amendment itself makes it perfectly clear...  eqfan592   Feb-03-10 06:42 PM   #39 
                 - Go ahead - try it in a restrictive state/locality and get yourself busted  RamboLiberal   Feb-03-10 06:59 PM   #40 
                    - One step at a time.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-03-10 07:13 PM   #41 
                    - You missed my point.  eqfan592   Feb-03-10 10:04 PM   #47 
                       - Philosophy is nice but we have to deal with the reality  RamboLiberal   Feb-04-10 05:59 PM   #52 
                          - Actually, philosophy and reality are not mutually exclusive.  eqfan592   Feb-04-10 08:27 PM   #56 
                 - Assuming the Court follows its own logic  TPaine7   Feb-03-10 08:00 PM   #43 
                 - 'long way from ruling on open and/or concealed'? ehn..  X_Digger   Feb-03-10 08:02 PM   #44 
                 - You could not be MORE wrong. SCOTUS has ALREADY ruled...the Heller case. Read up on it.  rd_kent   Feb-03-10 09:24 PM   #45 
                 - What is on the constitution is NOT a privlege, its a right. It outline what GOVERNMENT cannot do.  rd_kent   Feb-03-10 09:26 PM   #46 
        - You don't have a human right to drive on a public way.  MisterBill45   Feb-04-10 03:12 PM   #49 
  - If you are going to take your gun out in public, you should have training.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-03-10 06:40 PM   #38 
  - See my post #31. n/t  oneshooter   Feb-03-10 07:33 PM   #42 
  - Just for the heck of it I did a quick and unscientific count  RamboLiberal   Feb-04-10 07:36 PM   #53 
     - How many of those states allow Open Carry without a permit? n/t  PavePusher   Feb-04-10 07:46 PM   #54 
     - At work right now - I may check that out over snowy weekend  RamboLiberal   Feb-05-10 12:07 PM   #57 
     - I did a similar count recently..  X_Digger   Feb-04-10 08:20 PM   #55 

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