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Thu Jan-14-10 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #78 |
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I think you'll find that the vast majority of gun owners honestly do take safety VERY seriously, and very much frown upon creating situations where children may have unauthorized access to firearms.  |
| -Police: Drunk Teen Responsible For Crash That Killed 12-Year-Old Girl |
Tim01 |
Jan-14-10 10:32 AM |
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Life in prison |
bluestateguy |
Jan-14-10 10:36 AM |
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kick |
ensho |
Jan-14-10 10:37 AM |
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Didn't Laura Bush do the same thing? |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-14-10 10:44 AM |
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Shh! |
CrispyQ |
Jan-14-10 10:46 AM |
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In 1963, she was a prole. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-14-10 01:04 PM |
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There is no evidence that she had been drinking. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-14-10 01:06 PM |
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But alcohol isn't made precisely for killing |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 11:42 AM |
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How many crimes |
armueller2001 |
Jan-14-10 11:58 AM |
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I didn't say it was. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 12:47 PM |
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If you are pro-common sense, then you need to calibrate your common-sense-o-meter. |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 12:55 PM |
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I don't care if you agree |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 01:11 PM |
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The we agree except for the "silly arguments in favor of gun ownership" part. |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 01:15 PM |
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That's because I've never said guns should be |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:03 PM |
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OK, I get it. But WHY do you hold that position? On what basis did you form that opinion? |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 09:03 PM |
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Might I inquire |
armueller2001 |
Jan-15-10 09:25 AM |
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Actually, I would say the vast majority of guns are owned for target shooting. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 03:22 PM |
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I think it may depend upon where one lives? |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:06 PM |
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My wife and I also live in a typically safe area. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 06:11 PM |
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I hate to state the obvious, but I hope your gun |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:21 PM |
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No children in our house at this time. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 06:35 PM |
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Good for you! |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:44 PM |
#78 |
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Thanks :) |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 06:54 PM |
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Wait, you switched horses there.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 03:48 PM |
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I said I don't believe most people own guns for the sole reason |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:07 PM |
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Compare post 5 to post 25.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 06:23 PM |
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I said that I support |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:30 PM |
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Actually, semi-automatic, magazine fed rifles were available |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 06:33 PM |
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And, a bit of context.. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:40 PM |
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Rare? Where do you read that? |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 06:47 PM |
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Certainly rare for those not in the Austrian army. You're comparing apples and oranges. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:51 PM |
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I hope you realize that the first one is more dangerous than the second.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 07:00 PM |
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LOL |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 07:05 PM |
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"Keep in mind when the Constitution was written, printing was very different." |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-10 07:56 AM |
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If legally owned uzi's aren't a problem crime-wise |
armueller2001 |
Jan-14-10 01:14 PM |
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First of all, I did not call for their banning. In addition, I do not agree that they're not a |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:45 PM |
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I don't beleve a tec-9 is the same as an uzi. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 06:57 PM |
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It's listed as Uzi. But the technicality doesn't matter as much as the basic point. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 07:07 PM |
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UZI = full auto, highly regulated.. Tec-9 = semi-auto |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 07:08 PM |
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Well then, you just made a greater case against |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 07:12 PM |
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Lol, Uzi's run $9k, and only a limited number are civilian transferrable.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 07:17 PM |
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I inheritted a Tec-9 |
taurus145 |
Jan-15-10 09:30 AM |
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and OMG |
armueller2001 |
Jan-15-10 09:30 AM |
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Nor is a gun made precisely for killing people. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 12:09 PM |
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Right. Guns are for entertainment, much like a good bottle of wine. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 12:54 PM |
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First off.... |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 03:16 PM |
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So, accidental deaths don't count? |
Tim01 |
Jan-14-10 12:09 PM |
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Of course we need reason in public policy. I just don't think the argument |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 12:55 PM |
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You hit it Right on the head!!! "The teen obtained alcohol illegally" |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 12:59 PM |
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I think most people who own guns |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 01:04 PM |
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I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are wrong about your assumptions. |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 01:13 PM |
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Here is the evidence |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:18 PM |
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"Cars have a useful purpose. They're not designed to kill." |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 06:29 PM |
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Let's not forget that Kellermann is a discredited hack. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 06:31 PM |
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Some would argue that the purposes you note are useful. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:32 PM |
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An object capable of doing such a thing... |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 06:46 PM |
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Uh huh. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:47 PM |
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Then do try to be clear.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 06:55 PM |
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See linked thread.. been debunked before |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 06:38 PM |
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Not effectively |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:47 PM |
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If nothing else perks your interest.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 07:05 PM |
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I think the key word is "kept" vs. easily obtained? |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 07:08 PM |
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If that was mentioned in the Kellerman study, I missed it.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 07:15 PM |
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Point by point... |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-10 08:06 AM |
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Please support you contention. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-14-10 01:13 PM |
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I'm out for now, but I will support |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 01:16 PM |
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Here you go: |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:10 PM |
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Did you know that the Kellerman study |
armueller2001 |
Jan-15-10 09:15 AM |
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Give me a bottle of bacardi, a handkerchief, a lighter, and a crowded subway car.. n/t |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 04:04 PM |
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Not a very common way to |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:11 PM |
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"Unless Bacardi 151 or regular Bacardi, can take out several people in a crowd?" |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 06:32 PM |
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I'm still not getting how one could take out several people in a crowd |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:35 PM |
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Add a bandanna and you have a molotov cocktail.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-14-10 07:07 PM |
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Yes it is |
Taitertots |
Jan-14-10 12:19 PM |
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I'm glad there are restrictions on guns. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 12:57 PM |
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You are correct. Alcohol contributes to far more deaths per year than firearms. n/t |
PavePusher |
Jan-14-10 04:19 PM |
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Another apples and oranges |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:54 PM |
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There is a clear comparison between guns and alcohol |
Taitertots |
Jan-15-10 12:47 AM |
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And firearms are not made precisely for killing either... |
spin |
Jan-14-10 12:37 PM |
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I have a friend who owned an uzi as well. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 01:00 PM |
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Since you are obviously not anti-gun, what regulations do you support?... |
spin |
Jan-14-10 01:14 PM |
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I honestly feel that local authorities should be able to establish regulations. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 06:23 PM |
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I think local authorities should be able to regulate other Civil Rights as well. |
PavePusher |
Jan-14-10 09:04 PM |
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I have no real problem with your possible regulations ... |
spin |
Jan-15-10 11:49 AM |
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Guns have one purpose, to move a projectile at high velocity down the barrel, thats it. |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 12:37 PM |
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What a spurious argument |
FunkyLeprechaun |
Jan-14-10 12:31 PM |
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Your premise is wrong. Guns are not designed to kill. That is a false assumption. |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 12:41 PM |
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Um |
FunkyLeprechaun |
Jan-14-10 03:07 PM |
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Really? Up thread it was noted that the chinese first used a gun to shoot fireworks into the air fo... |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 09:23 PM |
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No |
FunkyLeprechaun |
Jan-14-10 10:28 PM |
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Dick pills ? |
Katya Mullethov |
Jan-14-10 10:57 PM |
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gunpowder? Who cares? The discussion is about guns, you know, the object in question. |
rd_kent |
Jan-15-10 12:58 AM |
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Explain to me why you think guns were designed to kill? |
spin |
Jan-14-10 01:10 PM |
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Of course bows are designed to kill as well |
FunkyLeprechaun |
Jan-14-10 03:08 PM |
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Let me paraphrase you... |
PavePusher |
Jan-14-10 04:21 PM |
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Some knives are definitely designed with the primary purpose of fighting ... |
spin |
Jan-14-10 04:22 PM |
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The classic tomahawk was designed almost exclusively for hand-to-hand combat. n/t |
PavePusher |
Jan-14-10 04:25 PM |
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I agree. |
mzmolly |
Jan-14-10 01:11 PM |
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You agree with what? False assumtions and bad facts? |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 01:17 PM |
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Bad facts? |
FunkyLeprechaun |
Jan-14-10 03:09 PM |
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Major history fail. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 03:32 PM |
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Seems like you are the only one in need of a history lesson. |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 09:25 PM |
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It doesn't matter what they were designed to do. Does not matter. |
Tim01 |
Jan-14-10 01:41 PM |
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Look |
FunkyLeprechaun |
Jan-14-10 03:12 PM |
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Alcohol kills people. It doesn't matter what it was desgned to do. nt |
Tim01 |
Jan-14-10 08:56 PM |
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"Alcohol was initially designed for enjoyment" SO WERE GUNS!!!!! |
rd_kent |
Jan-14-10 09:27 PM |
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Actually, alcohol was initially "designed" to provide safe potable liquids to maintain hydration |
slackmaster |
Jan-15-10 09:35 AM |
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Not exactly.... |
russ1943 |
Jan-14-10 02:04 PM |
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Alcohol deaths to gun deaths. |
Tim01 |
Jan-14-10 02:15 PM |
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So.... |
FunkyLeprechaun |
Jan-14-10 03:24 PM |
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By your logic... |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 03:40 PM |
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Just so you know, for your information..... |
russ1943 |
Jan-15-10 12:41 PM |
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They also include "air weapons" in with firearms... |
eqfan592 |
Jan-15-10 02:12 PM |
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Other deaths caused by alcohol were irrelevant. |
russ1943 |
Jan-14-10 03:43 PM |
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Actually, the OP's assertion was not that drunk drivers kill more people than guns. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 03:47 PM |
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I misunderstood. |
russ1943 |
Jan-15-10 10:52 PM |
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My post could have been more clear. |
Tim01 |
Jan-15-10 11:56 PM |
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Your numbers are off a bit as well. |
PavePusher |
Jan-14-10 02:27 PM |
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No they're not off, your comprehension, well maybe. |
russ1943 |
Jan-14-10 03:34 PM |
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Dude, take a pill. |
eqfan592 |
Jan-14-10 03:41 PM |
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The NIH puts the number of alcohol deaths/yr at 100,000. |
benEzra |
Jan-14-10 03:59 PM |
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Why is it ok for kids to die as a result of recreational drug use? |
Tim01 |
Jan-14-10 08:48 PM |
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How about a background check to buy alcohol? |
Tim01 |
Jan-14-10 09:15 PM |
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