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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Actually, the OP's assertion was not that drunk drivers kill more people than guns.
The drunk driver was an example of an alcohol related death. His assertion was that alcohol kills more people than guns, period. No specifics were given for either.

I'm not commenting on the accuracy of the numbers, just stating that your representation of the assertion made by the OP was incorrect.
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  -Police: Drunk Teen Responsible For Crash That Killed 12-Year-Old Girl Tim01  Jan-14-10 10:32 AM   #0 
  - Life in prison  bluestateguy   Jan-14-10 10:36 AM   #1 
  - kick  ensho   Jan-14-10 10:37 AM   #2 
  - Didn't Laura Bush do the same thing?  Boudica the Lyoness   Jan-14-10 10:44 AM   #3 
  - Shh!  CrispyQ   Jan-14-10 10:46 AM   #4 
  - In 1963, she was a prole.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-14-10 01:04 PM   #22 
  - There is no evidence that she had been drinking. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Jan-14-10 01:06 PM   #23 
  - But alcohol isn't made precisely for killing  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 11:42 AM   #5 
  - How many crimes  armueller2001   Jan-14-10 11:58 AM   #6 
  - I didn't say it was.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 12:47 PM   #14 
     - If you are pro-common sense, then you need to calibrate your common-sense-o-meter.  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 12:55 PM   #17 
     - I don't care if you agree  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 01:11 PM   #25 
        - The we agree except for the "silly arguments in favor of gun ownership" part.  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 01:15 PM   #31 
        - That's because I've never said guns should be  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:03 PM   #58 
           - OK, I get it. But WHY do you hold that position? On what basis did you form that opinion?  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 09:03 PM   #101 
           - Might I inquire  armueller2001   Jan-15-10 09:25 AM   #114 
        - Actually, I would say the vast majority of guns are owned for target shooting.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 03:22 PM   #43 
        - I think it may depend upon where one lives?  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:06 PM   #59 
           - My wife and I also live in a typically safe area.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 06:11 PM   #63 
              - I hate to state the obvious, but I hope your gun  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:21 PM   #65 
                 - No children in our house at this time.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 06:35 PM   #75 
                    - Good for you!  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:44 PM   #78 
                       - Thanks :)  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 06:54 PM   #85 
        - Wait, you switched horses there..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 03:48 PM   #51 
           - I said I don't believe most people own guns for the sole reason  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:07 PM   #60 
              - Compare post 5 to post 25..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 06:23 PM   #66 
                 - I said that I support  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:30 PM   #69 
                    - Actually, semi-automatic, magazine fed rifles were available  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 06:33 PM   #73 
                    - And, a bit of context..  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:40 PM   #77 
                       - Rare? Where do you read that?  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 06:47 PM   #83 
                          - Certainly rare for those not in the Austrian army. You're comparing apples and oranges.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:51 PM   #84 
                             - I hope you realize that the first one is more dangerous than the second..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 07:00 PM   #89 
                                - LOL  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 07:05 PM   #91 
                    - "Keep in mind when the Constitution was written, printing was very different."  PavePusher   Jan-15-10 07:56 AM   #111 
     - If legally owned uzi's aren't a problem crime-wise  armueller2001   Jan-14-10 01:14 PM   #30 
        - First of all, I did not call for their banning. In addition, I do not agree that they're not a  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:45 PM   #79 
           - I don't beleve a tec-9 is the same as an uzi.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 06:57 PM   #88 
              - It's listed as Uzi. But the technicality doesn't matter as much as the basic point.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 07:07 PM   #92 
                 - UZI = full auto, highly regulated.. Tec-9 = semi-auto  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 07:08 PM   #94 
                    - Well then, you just made a greater case against  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 07:12 PM   #96 
                    - Lol, Uzi's run $9k, and only a limited number are civilian transferrable..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 07:17 PM   #98 
                    - I inheritted a Tec-9  taurus145   Jan-15-10 09:30 AM   #115 
                       - and OMG  armueller2001   Jan-15-10 09:30 AM   #116 
  - Nor is a gun made precisely for killing people.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 12:09 PM   #7 
  - Right. Guns are for entertainment, much like a good bottle of wine.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 12:54 PM   #15 
     - First off....  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 03:16 PM   #42 
  - So, accidental deaths don't count?  Tim01   Jan-14-10 12:09 PM   #8 
  - Of course we need reason in public policy. I just don't think the argument  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 12:55 PM   #16 
     - You hit it Right on the head!!! "The teen obtained alcohol illegally"  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 12:59 PM   #19 
        - I think most people who own guns  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 01:04 PM   #21 
           - I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are wrong about your assumptions.  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 01:13 PM   #27 
           - Here is the evidence  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:18 PM   #64 
              - "Cars have a useful purpose. They're not designed to kill."  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 06:29 PM   #68 
              - Let's not forget that Kellermann is a discredited hack.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 06:31 PM   #70 
              - Some would argue that the purposes you note are useful.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:32 PM   #72 
                 - An object capable of doing such a thing...  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 06:46 PM   #80 
                 - Uh huh.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:47 PM   #81 
                 - Then do try to be clear..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 06:55 PM   #87 
              - See linked thread.. been debunked before  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 06:38 PM   #76 
              - Not effectively  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:47 PM   #82 
                 - If nothing else perks your interest..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 07:05 PM   #90 
                    - I think the key word is "kept" vs. easily obtained?  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 07:08 PM   #95 
                       - If that was mentioned in the Kellerman study, I missed it..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 07:15 PM   #97 
              - Point by point...  PavePusher   Jan-15-10 08:06 AM   #112 
           - Please support you contention.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-14-10 01:13 PM   #28 
           - I'm out for now, but I will support  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 01:16 PM   #32 
           - Here you go:  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:10 PM   #61 
              - Did you know that the Kellerman study  armueller2001   Jan-15-10 09:15 AM   #113 
           - Give me a bottle of bacardi, a handkerchief, a lighter, and a crowded subway car.. n/t  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 04:04 PM   #53 
              - Not a very common way to  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:11 PM   #62 
                 - "Unless Bacardi 151 or regular Bacardi, can take out several people in a crowd?"  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 06:32 PM   #71 
                    - I'm still not getting how one could take out several people in a crowd  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:35 PM   #74 
                       - Add a bandanna and you have a molotov cocktail..  X_Digger   Jan-14-10 07:07 PM   #93 
  - Yes it is  Taitertots   Jan-14-10 12:19 PM   #9 
  - I'm glad there are restrictions on guns.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 12:57 PM   #18 
     - You are correct. Alcohol contributes to far more deaths per year than firearms. n/t  PavePusher   Jan-14-10 04:19 PM   #54 
     - Another apples and oranges  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:54 PM   #86 
     - There is a clear comparison between guns and alcohol  Taitertots   Jan-15-10 12:47 AM   #109 
  - And firearms are not made precisely for killing either...  spin   Jan-14-10 12:37 PM   #11 
  - I have a friend who owned an uzi as well.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 01:00 PM   #20 
     - Since you are obviously not anti-gun, what regulations do you support?...  spin   Jan-14-10 01:14 PM   #29 
        - I honestly feel that local authorities should be able to establish regulations.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 06:23 PM   #67 
           - I think local authorities should be able to regulate other Civil Rights as well.  PavePusher   Jan-14-10 09:04 PM   #102 
           - I have no real problem with your possible regulations ...  spin   Jan-15-10 11:49 AM   #118 
  - Guns have one purpose, to move a projectile at high velocity down the barrel, thats it.  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 12:37 PM   #12 
  - What a spurious argument  FunkyLeprechaun   Jan-14-10 12:31 PM   #10 
  - Your premise is wrong. Guns are not designed to kill. That is a false assumption.  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 12:41 PM   #13 
  - Um  FunkyLeprechaun   Jan-14-10 03:07 PM   #38 
     - Really? Up thread it was noted that the chinese first used a gun to shoot fireworks into the air fo...  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 09:23 PM   #104 
        - No  FunkyLeprechaun   Jan-14-10 10:28 PM   #107 
           - Dick pills ?  Katya Mullethov   Jan-14-10 10:57 PM   #108 
           - gunpowder? Who cares? The discussion is about guns, you know, the object in question.  rd_kent   Jan-15-10 12:58 AM   #110 
  - Explain to me why you think guns were designed to kill?  spin   Jan-14-10 01:10 PM   #24 
  - Of course bows are designed to kill as well  FunkyLeprechaun   Jan-14-10 03:08 PM   #39 
     - Let me paraphrase you...  PavePusher   Jan-14-10 04:21 PM   #55 
     - Some knives are definitely designed with the primary purpose of fighting ...  spin   Jan-14-10 04:22 PM   #56 
        - The classic tomahawk was designed almost exclusively for hand-to-hand combat. n/t  PavePusher   Jan-14-10 04:25 PM   #57 
  - I agree.  mzmolly   Jan-14-10 01:11 PM   #26 
  - You agree with what? False assumtions and bad facts?  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 01:17 PM   #33 
     - Bad facts?  FunkyLeprechaun   Jan-14-10 03:09 PM   #40 
        - Major history fail.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 03:32 PM   #45 
        - Seems like you are the only one in need of a history lesson.  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 09:25 PM   #105 
  - It doesn't matter what they were designed to do. Does not matter.  Tim01   Jan-14-10 01:41 PM   #34 
     - Look  FunkyLeprechaun   Jan-14-10 03:12 PM   #41 
        - Alcohol kills people. It doesn't matter what it was desgned to do. nt  Tim01   Jan-14-10 08:56 PM   #100 
        - "Alcohol was initially designed for enjoyment" SO WERE GUNS!!!!!  rd_kent   Jan-14-10 09:27 PM   #106 
        - Actually, alcohol was initially "designed" to provide safe potable liquids to maintain hydration  slackmaster   Jan-15-10 09:35 AM   #117 
  - Not exactly....  russ1943   Jan-14-10 02:04 PM   #35 
  - Alcohol deaths to gun deaths.  Tim01   Jan-14-10 02:15 PM   #36 
  - So....  FunkyLeprechaun   Jan-14-10 03:24 PM   #44 
  - By your logic...  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 03:40 PM   #47 
     - Just so you know, for your information.....  russ1943   Jan-15-10 12:41 PM   #119 
        - They also include "air weapons" in with firearms...  eqfan592   Jan-15-10 02:12 PM   #120 
  - Other deaths caused by alcohol were irrelevant.  russ1943   Jan-14-10 03:43 PM   #49 
  - Actually, the OP's assertion was not that drunk drivers kill more people than guns.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 03:47 PM   #50 
  - I misunderstood.  russ1943   Jan-15-10 10:52 PM   #121 
     - My post could have been more clear.  Tim01   Jan-15-10 11:56 PM   #122 
  - Your numbers are off a bit as well.  PavePusher   Jan-14-10 02:27 PM   #37 
  - No they're not off, your comprehension, well maybe.  russ1943   Jan-14-10 03:34 PM   #46 
     - Dude, take a pill.  eqfan592   Jan-14-10 03:41 PM   #48 
  - The NIH puts the number of alcohol deaths/yr at 100,000.  benEzra   Jan-14-10 03:59 PM   #52 
  - Why is it ok for kids to die as a result of recreational drug use?  Tim01   Jan-14-10 08:48 PM   #99 
  - How about a background check to buy alcohol?  Tim01   Jan-14-10 09:15 PM   #103 
 

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