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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 06:05 AM
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86. That's your choice, and I can respect that.
Most of the gunnies here on the forum will also respect your choice. But it is YOUR choice for you. I, and the rest of the gunnies, have decided that we believe the more moral choice is to resist violence with greater violence. The difference is that our violence is controlled and unleased only in defense. We don't seek out innocent victims. We attempt to avoid situations where violence is likely, but if trouble come to us, we will not lie down for it.

We ask only that you respect our right to choose effective self-defense for ourselves.

Yes, it does mean that we will bring the guns to bear before we are killed. . We will do it while our own deaths are a serious threat, and not yet a reality. After all, it is somewhat difficult to defend oneself after one is dead. We do not feel that we are required to die hoping that our attacker will let us live.

Ronald Goldman made a choice similar to yours. He, and Nicole, died.
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  -Why I carry a gun Glassunion  Jan-07-10 11:37 PM   #0 
  - I see that the "anti" folks are already here  OffWithTheirHeads   Jan-07-10 11:48 PM   #1 
  - They never miss  Old Codger   Jan-08-10 12:02 AM   #3 
  - From what I remember of the oath and motto, I think  cognoscere   Jan-08-10 11:43 AM   #51 
     - And sticky from the donuts  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 11:48 AM   #52 
  - Welcome to DU  TPaine7   Jan-07-10 11:57 PM   #2 
  - Pop quiz?  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 01:38 PM   #63 
  - great post. i don't go out  DesertFlower   Jan-08-10 12:03 AM   #4 
  - .38 is not big enough. You need at least a 9mm. 45 ACP is better  OffWithTheirHeads   Jan-08-10 12:17 AM   #5 
     - Here come the gun site caliber wars...  pipoman   Jan-08-10 08:09 AM   #28 
     - Better to hit with a smaller caliber than to miss with a larger one  Euromutt   Jan-08-10 09:26 AM   #42 
        - I agree with that.  pipoman   Jan-08-10 07:43 PM   #82 
     - The gun you have is far better than the gun you don't ...  spin   Jan-08-10 12:23 PM   #57 
  - Glad you survived, this is why I carry pepper spray.  uppityperson   Jan-08-10 12:18 AM   #6 
  - What if the threat is upwind of you on a windy night? N/T  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 08:34 AM   #30 
  - Then I get hurt. Can't prevent everything and I make my choices. nt  uppityperson   Jan-08-10 01:17 PM   #61 
     - You gave an honest answer.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 01:39 PM   #64 
  - I think you would change your mind if you actually were the victim of someone trying to kill you  tburnsten   Jan-12-10 09:50 AM   #96 
  - Welcome to the DU!!  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 12:33 AM   #7 
  - And how long are you going to live your life based on a decision made  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 12:39 AM   #8 
  - You are still scared of guns. When are you going to get over it?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-08-10 12:40 AM   #9 
  - I am not now, nor ever have been afraid of guns.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 12:49 AM   #12 
     - MMMkay.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-08-10 12:49 AM   #13 
     - You just live in judgment of others.  proteus_lives   Jan-08-10 02:20 AM   #23 
     - What judgement?  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 10:16 AM   #44 
        - There can be a number of reasons for the delay in his decision.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 02:03 PM   #67 
           - You are talking about a delay in implementation, not a delay in deciding.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 02:39 PM   #69 
              - It is hard to make a decision to do something if you don't have the means.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 02:55 PM   #70 
              - Theft isn't a legitimate reason to shoot someone  tburnsten   Jan-12-10 10:20 AM   #98 
     - You really have a thing about fear -- in others:  SteveM   Jan-08-10 08:24 AM   #29 
     - You can take precautions without being prepared to deal death  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 10:30 AM   #45 
        - Um....  burrfoot   Jan-08-10 11:49 AM   #53 
           - Read through the thread - I did ask him, and we are having a nice discussion  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 12:00 PM   #55 
              - I'll grant you that he's  burrfoot   Jan-08-10 12:18 PM   #56 
              - But nobody said they were watching for an attack that the "know" is coming.  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 12:41 PM   #59 
              - And what, exactly, is the difference between the attack you  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 01:16 PM   #60 
                 - Being a rational person capable of examining the probabilities of those situations...  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 01:49 PM   #66 
                 - The difference between a certainty and a possibility is vast...  PavePusher   Jan-08-10 03:51 PM   #73 
              - Simply because you have not been attacked at an ATM is no guarantee that you won't be.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 02:19 PM   #68 
     - Being prepared to avoid possible death...  PavePusher   Jan-08-10 09:10 AM   #37 
  - That doesn't really make much sense at all.  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 12:43 AM   #10 
  - Not a snide comment at all. The incident happened when he was  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 01:03 AM   #16 
     - A few points.  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 01:25 AM   #18 
     - Ask anybody who has been mugged. Muggers are cowards. They  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 01:40 AM   #20 
        - It is well known that muggers select people who appear like they aren't aware.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 08:50 AM   #34 
        - As I suspected.  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 08:59 AM   #35 
        - So are you saying that cowardly muggings don't kill?  OttavaKarhu   Jan-11-10 04:05 AM   #89 
     - The old "the bad guys will take the gun away and use it one you" canard.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 08:45 AM   #33 
     - Read it again. The first clue that they were attacking him was when  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 09:52 AM   #43 
        - Actually, if he had been more situationally aware....  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 10:37 AM   #46 
        - Wrong. The first clue was them suddenly turning around  tburnsten   Jan-12-10 10:18 AM   #97 
     - So, you are claiming that he is over-reacting to nearly being beaten to death.  PavePusher   Jan-08-10 09:12 AM   #38 
  - Forever.  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 12:44 AM   #11 
  - I thought as much. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 12:51 AM   #14 
     - Please explain...  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 01:00 AM   #15 
        - See my reply #16 above.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 01:20 AM   #17 
           - Ok...  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 01:39 AM   #19 
           - Well, get a few more years on you and you'll understand that 18 IS a kid -  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 01:49 AM   #21 
              - Yea, because we all know  pipoman   Jan-08-10 05:41 AM   #25 
              - There's that crypto-psychology again -- used as a weapon ...  SteveM   Jan-08-10 08:35 AM   #31 
              - "If you got through your 20s without needing a weapon, you certainly don't need one now..."  PavePusher   Jan-08-10 09:15 AM   #41 
              - Perhaps in your eyes I will never be a grown up  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 11:08 AM   #48 
                 - What I'm saying is, teens through late twenties, early thirties is a violent  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 11:53 AM   #54 
                    - I still cannot agree with armchair psychology  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 01:19 PM   #62 
                       - Of course, nobody can guarantee anything.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-08-10 03:33 PM   #71 
                          - Not to butt in....  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 03:39 PM   #72 
                          - A thought on thoughts  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 04:28 PM   #74 
                             - If there was an award for Excellence in Posting...  PavePusher   Jan-08-10 04:33 PM   #75 
                             - Agreed!  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 04:43 PM   #76 
                             - Thanks... I'm just trying to keep them under 10,000 words or less :)  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 04:47 PM   #77 
                                - Wait, you typed that all out on an iPhone!?!  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 04:56 PM   #78 
                                   - It is not that hard.  Glassunion   Jan-09-10 09:09 AM   #83 
                             - Fuckin' A man; Fuckin' A.  burrfoot   Jan-10-10 02:09 AM   #84 
                             - Very well put. Thank you.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-10-10 03:45 AM   #85 
                                - That's your choice, and I can respect that.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-10-10 06:05 AM   #86 
                                - I understand and support your choice...  PavePusher   Jan-11-10 08:56 AM   #90 
                                - A bit of a contiuation of my journey...  Glassunion   Jan-11-10 11:26 AM   #92 
                                - Damn, I wish we could rec individual posts.  PavePusher   Jan-11-10 06:04 PM   #94 
                                   - Thanks  Glassunion   Jan-12-10 09:40 AM   #95 
                                - If he kicked in your door and you shot him. it wouldn't be killing him over a woman  tburnsten   Jan-12-10 11:10 AM   #99 
           - Great crystal ball that you have.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 09:05 AM   #36 
  - Adults get attacked too, not just kids. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 08:35 AM   #32 
  - You learn lessons from life ...  spin   Jan-08-10 12:34 PM   #58 
  - Would it matter if he had been beat up as an adult?  gorfle   Jan-10-10 11:21 AM   #87 
  - My position on Guns has changed...  mmarsh   Jan-08-10 02:07 AM   #22 
  - Sounds like a rational decision to me. (n/t)  spin   Jan-08-10 01:41 PM   #65 
  - Great post! Welcome to DU!  proteus_lives   Jan-08-10 02:31 AM   #24 
  - I carry for one very simple reason  taurus145   Jan-08-10 05:56 AM   #26 
  - This old granny agrees with you. These times require that we  Paper Roses   Jan-08-10 06:00 AM   #27 
  - Pepper spray can be ordered over the internet.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 09:13 AM   #39 
  - Yep yep :)  eqfan592   Jan-08-10 09:15 AM   #40 
  - Buy it online:  TPaine7   Jan-08-10 11:17 AM   #49 
  - I agree...  Dappleganger   Jan-08-10 11:30 AM   #50 
  - Hey Paper Roses, my mother, all of 78 yrs old  oneshooter   Jan-08-10 05:19 PM   #79 
  - Thank you...  Glassunion   Jan-08-10 06:30 PM   #81 
  - Welcome, and thanks for sharing your story.  burrfoot   Jan-08-10 10:48 AM   #47 
  - To me it boils down to a few simple answers  oneshooter   Jan-08-10 05:22 PM   #80 
  - Congratulations on emerging empowered.  OttavaKarhu   Jan-11-10 04:01 AM   #88 
  - .410 derringer. Very similar reasons.  Tim01   Jan-11-10 10:22 AM   #91 
     - I'm with you on this one-  burrfoot   Jan-11-10 04:33 PM   #93 
 

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