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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 06:29 PM
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35. You call ME arrogant?
HA! Now THAT's the pot calling the kettle black if I ever saw it.

You argue a causal relationship between firearms ownership and crime (in that more firearms equate to more crime)

Firearms ownership has increased over the last 20 years in the US, as well as the number of shall issue states.

Crime has decreased over the last 20 years.

It is patently obvious to any rational thinking person that guns are NOT the issue when it comes to crime. Guns do NOT cause crime. YOU. ARE. WRONG.

This isn't a matter of opinion, this is FACT. Your movement has done more harm than good world wide, distracting from the real issues behind crime and disarming those who would use firearms in defense of themselves, causing street crime to be a fact of every day life in cities like London. But you ignore all this.

I call on you to provide evidence of a CAUSAL relationship between firearms and violent crime. CAUSAL, depakid. That's the key word there. C.A.U.S.A.L.

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  -how to deal with the Mental problems of anti-gun people virginia mountainman  Dec-10-09 03:13 PM   #0 
  - This piece is so rich with irony that one wouldn't know where to begin...  depakid   Dec-10-09 03:15 PM   #1 
  - Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing! nt  parasim   Dec-10-09 03:37 PM   #2 
  - I guess "teh stupid" is catching, then? ;) (nt)  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 04:13 PM   #8 
  - "2.Denial--A person refuses to accept reality"  TPaine7   Dec-10-09 03:44 PM   #3 
  - Someone who won't accept scientific results- or acknowldge the huge tragic toll of their policies  depakid   Dec-10-09 03:57 PM   #4 
     - What scientific results??? NT...  virginia mountainman   Dec-10-09 04:03 PM   #5 
     - Hmmm. Get a reputable dictionary and  TPaine7   Dec-10-09 04:07 PM   #7 
     - Proof positive of the aforementioned!  depakid   Dec-10-09 04:14 PM   #9 
        - Proof positive of the aforementioned!  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 04:20 PM   #11 
        - Not at all- just a public health type  depakid   Dec-10-09 04:29 PM   #13 
           - You are a very fascinating subject then, depakid....  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 04:47 PM   #17 
           - I harbor no distrust at all for my neighbors!  depakid   Dec-10-09 04:54 PM   #18 
              - But you failed to provide any actual proof.  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 05:01 PM   #20 
              - Not really worth beating a dead horse  depakid   Dec-10-09 05:25 PM   #21 
                 - Refuted every single time.  GreenStormCloud   Dec-10-09 05:31 PM   #25 
                 - Indeed he did.  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 05:38 PM   #28 
                 - Not refuted in the slightest!  depakid   Dec-10-09 05:46 PM   #30 
                 - Funny...  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 06:19 PM   #32 
                 - Dude, you got SCHOOLED in that thread and as soon as it was evident, you bailed.  rd_kent   Dec-10-09 06:30 PM   #36 
                 - Dude- you have no idea what you're talking about  depakid   Dec-10-09 08:37 PM   #42 
                    - "and I'll keep on tossing my lot in with the scientists and the problem solvers" -You are delusional  rd_kent   Dec-11-09 01:04 AM   #53 
                       - No one's providing data supporting gun proliferation!  depakid   Dec-11-09 05:50 AM   #58 
                          - Who in the fuck here is saying "guns make you safer"? Huh, depakid, who? ONLY YOU.  rd_kent   Dec-11-09 05:43 PM   #66 
                          - "Life is all right in Aus-tra-li-a. If you are white in Aus-tra-li-a"  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-11-09 06:20 PM   #69 
                 - Isn't it convenient how you "simply grew bored" every time someone posts a reasoned argument?  Euromutt   Dec-10-09 08:08 PM   #41 
                 - All you did there was the usual non-sense  depakid   Dec-10-09 08:45 PM   #43 
                    - Well done; yet another bullshit response on your part  Euromutt   Dec-10-09 09:56 PM   #46 
                    - "isn't managing to stop the criminally inclined from acquiring them."  depakid   Dec-11-09 05:55 AM   #59 
                       - Gun owners who have their guns LEGALLY are very rarely involved in a violent crime.  GreenStormCloud   Dec-11-09 08:46 AM   #60 
                       - nonsense. everytime a gun owner kills you call them a criminal. Law abiding my kiester! nt  cabluedem   Dec-12-09 05:24 AM   #83 
                       - Well, if they have prior convictions, then they did have the gun illegally.  GreenStormCloud   Dec-12-09 02:11 PM   #85 
                       - WRONG!  eqfan592   Dec-11-09 09:07 AM   #61 
                       - Yes, the researchers always say they've "controlled for" the confounders  Euromutt   Dec-11-09 09:39 AM   #62 
                          - After reading this....  eqfan592   Dec-11-09 11:57 AM   #65 
                          - Ah, don't sell yourself short  Euromutt   Dec-11-09 09:46 PM   #75 
                    - LOL  TPaine7   Dec-10-09 10:06 PM   #47 
                    - BUWAHAHAHAHA!!!  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 11:38 PM   #50 
                    - And a pitbull detractor too, to top it off...  beevul   Dec-11-09 01:51 AM   #55 
                 - Then go away  rl6214   Dec-11-09 03:37 AM   #57 
                 - Yep, he took off so fast, he left his flawed arguments behind!  proteus_lives   Dec-10-09 07:20 PM   #40 
                 - I guess you and I have different definitions of "meaningful" then.  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 05:31 PM   #26 
                 - As usual, when asked to back up your claims, you say "I already did". What a crock of shit.  rd_kent   Dec-10-09 06:27 PM   #34 
              - Where is this pudding with the proof?  rd_kent   Dec-10-09 06:26 PM   #33 
              - hey what's that phrase the kids are using today...? oh yeah-  burrfoot   Dec-11-09 10:30 AM   #64 
           - Meanwhile, back at Oz  oneshooter   Dec-10-09 05:00 PM   #19 
           - Still graping for straws I see  depakid   Dec-10-09 05:29 PM   #24 
              - Ahhh, the sweet irony....  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 05:37 PM   #27 
              - On an entire continent- this is it!  depakid   Dec-10-09 05:50 PM   #31 
                 - You call ME arrogant?  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 06:29 PM   #35 
                 - An "entire continent" with a population of 21.2 million  Euromutt   Dec-10-09 08:50 PM   #44 
              - SO an example that DISPROVES your theory is posted and you call it "grasping at straws"? You are  rd_kent   Dec-10-09 06:32 PM   #37 
           - Public health and safety concerns--even if substantiated--do not trump individual rights  Euromutt   Dec-10-09 07:14 PM   #38 
           - Here's a little tid-bit from the Beeb on Australian problem-solving ability  Euromutt   Dec-10-09 11:00 PM   #49 
           - Can we solve immigation problems with concentration camps like Oz did?  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-11-09 06:42 PM   #70 
        - Projection! You have managed to fill most of the requirements in just three posts!  rd_kent   Dec-10-09 04:37 PM   #15 
        - Argumentum ad numerum  Euromutt   Dec-10-09 05:28 PM   #22 
        - WELL. SAID. SIR! (nt)  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 05:39 PM   #29 
        - Obsessives?  rl6214   Dec-11-09 03:21 AM   #56 
     - Hey depakid...  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 04:18 PM   #10 
        - At least "Armageddon" was intended to be a spoof, not a serious movie.  GreenStormCloud   Dec-10-09 05:29 PM   #23 
  - You are right, its hard to find a starting place to refute FACTS  rd_kent   Dec-10-09 04:34 PM   #14 
  - You must be related to Iverglas n/t  taurus145   Dec-12-09 05:00 AM   #81 
  - have we been introduced?  iverglas   Dec-13-09 03:09 PM   #104 
  - I agree. Its is ironic but I guess the OP cant see it. nt  cabluedem   Dec-12-09 05:06 AM   #82 
  - Thanks for the help.  FLyellowdog   Dec-10-09 04:05 PM   #6 
  - Dang it!  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 04:23 PM   #12 
  - This would also apply to religious folks as well. Can I borrow this and modify it for the R&T forum  rd_kent   Dec-10-09 04:39 PM   #16 
  - Religion and gun control have a lot in common...  spin   Dec-10-09 10:57 PM   #48 
  - Excellent list!  proteus_lives   Dec-10-09 07:18 PM   #39 
  - So gun lobby people are now implying that people who live in Canada or Europe are all crazy. That's  applegrove   Dec-10-09 09:35 PM   #45 
  - Thank you Mr. Strawman.  eqfan592   Dec-10-09 11:40 PM   #51 
  - It's not matter of what one's opinion is, but why one holds it  Euromutt   Dec-11-09 01:25 AM   #54 
  - I think applegrove has set a new standard for "not getting it"  slackmaster   Dec-11-09 09:55 AM   #63 
     - right... if I disagree with you on gun control I am demented. I can see the NRA ads  applegrove   Dec-11-09 08:50 PM   #72 
        - Strawman number 2 from you.  eqfan592   Dec-11-09 09:21 PM   #73 
        - What you did is called "labelling" and is meant to make me respond in a knee  applegrove   Dec-11-09 09:33 PM   #74 
           - You're simply wrong  Euromutt   Dec-11-09 10:03 PM   #76 
              - Better to compare Canada to the USA. Those eastern european countries are very poor and very young.  applegrove   Dec-11-09 10:30 PM   #77 
                 - And yet Canada's firearms ownership rate is closer to ours than most of Europe..  X_Digger   Dec-11-09 10:38 PM   #78 
                 - We have high gun ownership in long guns in rural areas. We have much  applegrove   Dec-11-09 10:41 PM   #79 
                 - Yet our non-gun violent rate is higher than other countries' TOTAL violence rate..  X_Digger   Dec-11-09 10:51 PM   #80 
                    - When I said "we" I meant Canada because I am Canadian. Sorry I was not clear on that.  applegrove   Dec-12-09 07:32 PM   #87 
                       - Obviously different cultures..  X_Digger   Dec-12-09 08:06 PM   #88 
                          - The fact that you have a death penalty plays into it too. Your gun loving culture does promote  applegrove   Dec-12-09 11:34 PM   #90 
                          - Prove it.  eqfan592   Dec-12-09 11:45 PM   #91 
                             - You just said that the difference between countries re:gun laws and violence had to do with culture.  applegrove   Dec-12-09 11:50 PM   #93 
                                - I said no such thing at all as far as I know. Please point to where I did if I am forgetting.  eqfan592   Dec-13-09 12:13 AM   #94 
                                   - Sorry. I thought you were the guy/gal I was discussing this with. Sorry. Note to self: read  applegrove   Dec-13-09 12:17 AM   #95 
                                      - No worries :)  eqfan592   Dec-13-09 12:18 AM   #96 
                          - what utter crap is this?  iverglas   Dec-13-09 02:45 PM   #100 
                 - No, it is not  iverglas   Dec-13-09 02:30 PM   #99 
                    - Both the 1992 and 1996 surveys depend on self-reporting..  X_Digger   Dec-13-09 07:32 PM   #106 
                       - like I said  iverglas   Dec-13-09 08:50 PM   #107 
                 - Right; when it comes to countries that compare unfavorably, you change the criteria  Euromutt   Dec-12-09 08:14 PM   #89 
                    - But cultural tendencies are gun laws. You are what you eat after all. You are the shit you believe i...  applegrove   Dec-12-09 11:46 PM   #92 
                       - That's just utter rubbish  Euromutt   Dec-13-09 07:22 AM   #97 
        - I didn't say that you, nor everyone in Europe and Canada, are demented  slackmaster   Dec-12-09 09:00 AM   #84 
  - Excellent post. Recommended.  Hoopla Phil   Dec-10-09 11:45 PM   #52 
  - New Rule: Depakid and those like him are to be completly ignored from now on.  rd_kent   Dec-11-09 05:46 PM   #67 
  - No way dude.  PavePusher   Dec-11-09 05:52 PM   #68 
  - I'd like to, but...  Euromutt   Dec-11-09 08:39 PM   #71 
     - You mean you haven't already established one?  GreenStormCloud   Dec-12-09 02:17 PM   #86 
     - yeah, that's what I do  iverglas   Dec-13-09 02:53 PM   #101 
  - filth  iverglas   Dec-13-09 02:14 PM   #98 
  - We've missed your cool, reasoned responses.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-13-09 03:02 PM   #102 
     - one strives  iverglas   Dec-13-09 03:05 PM   #103 
        - I think some of the responses to the OP were perilously close to xenophobia.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-13-09 03:17 PM   #105 
  - Locking  krispos42   Dec-13-09 11:36 PM   #108 

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