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91. Hey, why not.
opposed to strict, thorough background checks
I don't think anyone here IS opposed to background checks. What some people might be opposed to, depending on the TYPE of background check, is unreasonable delays 'processing the request', excessive fees, etc. But overall, nobody is complaining about background checks.

why would you be bothered with say, having a 2 to 4 week waiting period? what is the rush?
I might be replacing a damaged weapon for a competitive shooting appointment. I might be buying a gun for a birthday present. Etc. Can you cite ANY evidence a 2-4 week waiting period has ever saved a life? I'm pretty sure someone here is going to be able to cite, at least some individuals who lost their lives to people they had a restraining order against, while waiting on a firearm purchase.

in addition to closing the gun show loophole.
You probably don't even know what the 'gun show loophole' is, but regardless, most of us support 'closing' the 'loophole' by allowing NICS access to everyone. That would 'close' the 'loophole' for gun shows, newspaper classified ads, friend of a friend, and private transfers of all sorts.

that's what I don't get about the anti-gun control people. why would any law-biding citizen be against it unless they were criminally predisposed and/or mentally unbalanced that they would fail a thorough background check?
Most, to all of us, want to see gun control measures that actually TARGET CRIME. We do not need any more laws that amount to nothing more than a pain in the ass for law-abiding citizens, and do nothing to even slow down the criminally minded.
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  -Why would any one in their right mind be against strict gun control? rollingrock  Nov-23-09 11:36 PM   #0 
  - Because they're immature and like to pretend they're one of Clint Eastwood's movie characters nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-23-09 11:38 PM   #1 
  - Or because we have basic intelegence and realize that this crap...  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 12:23 AM   #12 
  - The other day someone chased their wife out and shot her  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-24-09 08:35 AM   #41 
     - People are killed with knives all the time.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:06 AM   #49 
     - From far away? Damn! What school teaches blade killing from far away? I'd like to go watch! lol  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-24-09 09:08 AM   #51 
        - Welcome Mr. Strawman to the argument!  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:12 AM   #53 
        - What I'm talking about is not made of straw. It's made of real flesh and bone nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-24-09 09:16 AM   #55 
           - awww, how cute.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:21 AM   #56 
              - It's too bad those who work so killing machines continue to be legal, don't find a better pastime nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-24-09 09:24 AM   #57 
                 - You know, the people who's lives are saved because of firearms...  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:28 AM   #59 
                 - Oh yeah? 100% of those killed with firearms were saved by no one using firearms.  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-24-09 09:46 AM   #61 
                    - LOL!  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:49 AM   #62 
                    - If you found that amusing, you don't need to explain anything else about why you are obsessed with  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-24-09 09:57 AM   #63 
                       - I don't find people being murdered amusing.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 10:27 AM   #67 
                          - If you didn't, then you wouldn't find guns amusing and fun -  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-24-09 10:37 AM   #69 
                             - People are amused with cars.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 11:05 AM   #77 
                             - I think you need to look up what "murder" means  Euromutt   Nov-25-09 01:07 AM   #160 
                    - Hell yes. I got a rifle for Christmas when I was ten. I've still got it.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 02:16 PM   #122 
                    - I think she means a gibbet or a garrotte chair  Katya Mullethov   Nov-25-09 07:56 AM   #164 
                    - The number one cause of death...  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:23 AM   #174 
                 - How about we start with the cops and the government goons.  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:25 AM   #175 
                 - My machines have never killed anyone.  PavePusher   Jan-08-10 09:33 AM   #182 
        - Tueller Drill.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:38 AM   #93 
        - Reading comprehension refresher, anyone?  taurus145   Nov-25-09 03:07 AM   #162 
     - Far away?  rrneck   Nov-24-09 10:21 AM   #66 
  - Woo-hoo, Arnold's Law in the first response!  Euromutt   Nov-24-09 01:30 AM   #32 
     - LOL! Very nice! (nt)  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:07 AM   #50 
  - here;s one example  paulsby   Nov-23-09 11:44 PM   #2 
  - I don't see any valid arguments there  rollingrock   Nov-23-09 11:56 PM   #5 
     - it is not easy  paulsby   Nov-24-09 12:02 AM   #7 
     - Again, what is the big rush?  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:14 AM   #9 
        - for some people  paulsby   Nov-24-09 12:23 AM   #13 
        - It doesn't infringe on anyone's rights  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:43 AM   #19 
           - It doesn't take a month to train a person on how to use a handgun.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 01:05 AM   #23 
           - No  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 01:20 AM   #29 
              - Maybe you should try taking a firearms usage class.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:09 AM   #52 
           - of course it infringes  paulsby   Nov-24-09 01:09 AM   #25 
           - Your law would have killed my friend  Merchant Marine   Nov-24-09 01:31 AM   #33 
           - I'm doubting old rollingrock has the guts to respond to your post.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 11:34 AM   #87 
              - Like I said  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:06 PM   #106 
                 - So because it "sounds extreme" it can't be reality?  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 12:26 PM   #110 
                 - It's about as realistic as the ticking time bomb scenario  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 03:45 PM   #131 
                    - Wow....  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 03:50 PM   #133 
                    - Wow, you are very ignorant of the facts.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 04:41 PM   #142 
                    - Waiting periods have been imposed  pipoman   Nov-24-09 08:16 PM   #157 
                    - Argument from incredulity  Euromutt   Nov-25-09 01:10 AM   #161 
                 - You should see what the CDC says about "waiting periods." (nt)  SteveM   Nov-24-09 01:38 PM   #116 
                 - Callous, unempathetic and utterly naieve.  Merchant Marine   Nov-24-09 01:42 PM   #117 
                 - So a woman who was raped shooting the rapist when he came back a 2nd time? Fiction to you, eh?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 02:09 PM   #119 
                 - How about the victims of the Virginia Tech shooting?  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 04:08 PM   #137 
                    - A fine example of EXISTING laws not being well enforced. How about we start there?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 04:27 PM   #138 
                    - Bingo  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 04:39 PM   #141 
                    - I don't think so  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 04:51 PM   #143 
                       - Cho was ineligible to possess firearms under the Gun Control Act of 1968.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 05:19 PM   #145 
                       - Don't forget about the rape victim you referred to as theoretical.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 05:20 PM   #146 
                       - Did the review panel mention...  beevul   Nov-24-09 07:38 PM   #154 
                    - The victim in this case probably thinks you are despicable. Where is your sympathy for her?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 04:32 PM   #139 
                    - Actually it wasn't legal. He lied on the form 4477. Perjury is illegal where I'm from.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 05:18 PM   #144 
                    - Hahaha! I love it when people use this as an example. Newsflash: VA TECH WAS A GUN FREE ZONE!!!!  rd_kent   Jan-08-10 03:01 PM   #186 
                 - wow  viscrente   Dec-04-09 02:19 PM   #171 
                 - Sorry this will be a little harsh.  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:37 AM   #177 
           - It absolutely DOES infringe on my rights.  HALO141   Nov-24-09 11:18 AM   #82 
           - Ignore, replied to the wrong post. (nt)  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 04:38 PM   #140 
           - Then you should not mind...  PavePusher   Nov-24-09 11:26 AM   #83 
           - Most states, it's possible to get a D.L. in a week.  PavePusher   Nov-24-09 11:27 AM   #84 
           - I can get a drivers license the same day, and I don't need a new license every time I buy a car.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:40 AM   #95 
           - That waiting period can be VERY unreasonable.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-24-09 11:44 AM   #97 
           - Ever heard the phrase...  beevul   Nov-24-09 07:36 PM   #153 
           - What are you talking about? A 16 year old can get their license on their b-day.  rd_kent   Jan-08-10 02:57 PM   #185 
        - Here's a can of worms  taurus145   Nov-24-09 03:07 AM   #35 
        - Let's turn the question around: what *need* is there for a 15-30 day waiting period?  Euromutt   Nov-24-09 08:50 AM   #44 
        - Did you learn your civil rights under the Bush adminsitration?  DonP   Nov-24-09 03:47 PM   #132 
        - What's the big rush to have that abortion?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 05:26 PM   #147 
        - another question...  viscrente   Dec-04-09 02:16 PM   #170 
        - You don't have to deal with a lot of battered spouses, do you?  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:33 AM   #176 
     - WTF?  HALO141   Nov-24-09 11:11 AM   #78 
     - What criminal is getting a firearm through the existing background checks?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:39 AM   #94 
     - No No No  viscrente   Dec-04-09 02:14 PM   #169 
  - WAIT! Let Me Get Some Popcorn First!  tucsonlib   Nov-23-09 11:45 PM   #3 
  - Because the myth of the gun is a seductive force...  Ozymanithrax   Nov-23-09 11:50 PM   #4 
  - ah, the need canard  paulsby   Nov-24-09 12:15 AM   #10 
  - Actually, it is not a canard.  Ozymanithrax   Nov-24-09 12:39 AM   #17 
  - it is a canard  paulsby   Nov-24-09 01:04 AM   #22 
  - And you are still incorrect.  Ozymanithrax   Nov-24-09 01:24 AM   #30 
     - Hilarious  Merchant Marine   Nov-24-09 03:12 AM   #36 
  - *In yoda voice* That is why you fail......(nt)  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 01:08 AM   #24 
  - You're wrong on SO many levels.  HALO141   Nov-24-09 11:35 AM   #90 
  - Just a friendly suggestion...  beevul   Nov-24-09 07:55 PM   #156 
  - It takes time to do a thorough background check  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:57 AM   #21 
     - NICS is not a "background check" per se.  Merchant Marine   Nov-24-09 01:12 AM   #26 
     - no, it doesn't  paulsby   Nov-24-09 01:14 AM   #28 
     - If the current background check system is so great  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 10:41 AM   #70 
        - FFL = background check. regardless of location  X_Digger   Nov-24-09 10:56 AM   #75 
        - The private party loophole is a huge one  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 11:17 AM   #81 
           - Private Property is a loophole now?!  PavePusher   Nov-24-09 11:33 AM   #86 
           - *sigh* that's _not_ a loophole.  X_Digger   Nov-24-09 11:34 AM   #88 
              - Obviously  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 11:46 AM   #98 
                 - It's illegal to knowingly sell a firearm to a felon.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:51 AM   #101 
                 - There are no licenses to own guns in 40'ish states.  X_Digger   Nov-24-09 12:03 PM   #105 
                 - I love that graph right there.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 12:31 PM   #111 
                    - Not to mention..  X_Digger   Nov-24-09 01:24 PM   #115 
                       - Exactly  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 02:23 PM   #123 
                 - All sales of guns are "private" unless they are to the state.  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:47 AM   #179 
        - I knew it, You don't know what the 'gun show loophole' is.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:48 AM   #100 
        - And California has required background checks for several years now.  Merchant Marine   Nov-24-09 04:02 PM   #135 
        - The gunshow loophole?  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:44 AM   #178 
     - You are missing a few facts in your analogy.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-24-09 08:37 AM   #42 
     - It usually takes less than three minutes  slackmaster   Nov-24-09 09:05 AM   #48 
     - What state  Gumbo   Nov-24-09 09:28 AM   #60 
     - Huh? You can get drivers license in a day  metalbot   Nov-24-09 10:42 AM   #71 
     - Your ignorance is stunning.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 11:34 AM   # 
     - What state do you live in that takes MONTHS to get a DL?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:43 AM   #96 
     - This statement  oneshooter   Nov-25-09 07:54 AM   #163 
  - My wife is alive today because she was carrying a gun a few years ago.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-24-09 08:42 AM   #43 
  - You must be bored tonight. I'm just gonna go pop some corn.  OffWithTheirHeads   Nov-23-09 11:57 PM   #6 
  - I may be a little bored  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:04 AM   #8 
     - Oh really? Been to the guns forum much lately?  OffWithTheirHeads   Nov-24-09 12:19 AM   #11 
        - Not lately nt  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 12:48 AM   #20 
  - You have your head thoroughly up your ass.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 12:27 AM   #14 
  - Gun worshippers are nuts. Plain and simple.  katandmoon   Nov-24-09 12:31 AM   #15 
  - Yup, when you can't counter their argumens and evidence, call them nuts.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 12:34 AM   #16 
  - They worship death instruments over life. That's nuts.;  katandmoon   Nov-24-09 10:19 AM   #64 
     - Your inability to see any purpose for firearms beyond 'killing' is nuts.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:52 AM   #102 
  - Heres the thing . . .  jefflrrp   Nov-24-09 12:40 AM   #18 
  - Lke I said. You worship a machine that kills people. That's nuts.  katandmoon   Nov-24-09 10:20 AM   #65 
     - The same could be said about archery.  Remmah2   Nov-24-09 10:31 AM   #68 
     - Nuts - This from a poster with the leading number of phallic related gun posts  DonP   Nov-24-09 05:58 PM   #148 
  - I own them  taurus145   Nov-24-09 03:00 AM   #34 
  - I'll go further and say  HALO141   Nov-24-09 11:46 AM   #99 
  - Why not 2 to four months?  krispos42   Nov-24-09 01:14 AM   #27 
  - I dunno, you tell me  notesdev   Nov-24-09 01:27 AM   #31 
  - Here's another one  cowcommander   Nov-24-09 05:13 AM   #37 
     - And another one.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 09:16 AM   #54 
     - Free men don't NEED guns.  Xenotime   Nov-24-09 02:13 PM   #120 
        - Free men have the ability to excersize their rights  Merchant Marine   Nov-24-09 03:31 PM   #129 
        - Bingo.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 04:05 PM   #136 
        - All I NEED is air, water, food and heat.  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:50 AM   #180 
  - Almost nobody is against gun control  Euromutt   Nov-24-09 05:25 AM   #38 
  - Because there is a powerful, well funded lobby that wants to sharply reduce gun ownership in the USA  benEzra   Nov-24-09 07:06 AM   #39 
  - Exactly what is a waiting period supposed to accomplish?  GreenStormCloud   Nov-24-09 08:07 AM   #40 
  - Each one of these concepts is utter failure.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Nov-24-09 08:54 AM   #45 
  - I'm in favor of background checks, waiting periods do no good, there is no gun show loophole  slackmaster   Nov-24-09 09:03 AM   #46 
  - No gun show loophole?  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 10:43 AM   #72 
     - So really you aren't talking about a gun-show loophole, but a private-party loophole.  LAGC   Nov-24-09 10:53 AM   #74 
     - Yes.  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 11:04 AM   #76 
        - I don't understand what the big fear of felons acquriing firearms is.  LAGC   Nov-24-09 11:14 AM   #79 
        - Maybe certain non-violent felons could be exempted  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 11:34 AM   #89 
           - I happen to be a convicted Burglar, so I take offense to your suggestion.  LAGC   Nov-24-09 12:06 PM   #107 
              - If you can be trusted enough to walk amongst us  Katya Mullethov   Nov-24-09 06:29 PM   #151 
                 - Thanks.  LAGC   Nov-24-09 10:22 PM   #159 
                 - +1  Callisto32   Jan-08-10 07:53 AM   #181 
        - You totally missed the point.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 11:15 AM   #80 
        - Yes but  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 11:30 AM   #85 
           - And they represent what percentage of guns used in crime?  X_Digger   Nov-24-09 11:55 AM   #104 
           - Yes, I understand this.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 12:09 PM   #108 
        - What, are you speaking in toungues or something?  PavePusher   Nov-24-09 11:36 AM   #92 
        - You know you can't spit at a gun show without hitting at least 3 police officers right?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:55 AM   #103 
     - I see no indication of any loophole in the law - Here's a link to federal gun law  slackmaster   Nov-24-09 12:39 PM   #113 
     - ATF has a website, you can read the law instead of making it up!  one-eyed fat man   Nov-25-09 08:21 AM   #165 
  - Let's see..  X_Digger   Nov-24-09 09:03 AM   #47 
  - Stricter enforcement of existing would be fine.  Remmah2   Nov-24-09 09:26 AM   #58 
  - No, parole boards should have discretion.  LAGC   Nov-24-09 10:50 AM   #73 
  - Hey, why not.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 11:35 AM   #91 
  - BEST REPLY!!! (n/t)  spin   Nov-24-09 12:24 PM   #109 
  - HERE HERE!! (nt)  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 12:33 PM   #112 
  - When I'm really, really, really mad, I don't want anything to slow my gun buying ability.  onehandle   Nov-24-09 12:48 PM   #114 
     - You shouls see a psychologist  Merchant Marine   Nov-24-09 01:44 PM   #118 
     - When a woman is really, really in danger from a hell bent ex, I don't want anything to slow hers!  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 02:15 PM   #121 
     - LOL!  onehandle   Nov-24-09 02:27 PM   #124 
        - So they shouldn't have the option to defend themselves? Sounds like misogyny to me.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-24-09 02:33 PM   #125 
        - lol, I love how you link to a post...  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 03:02 PM   #127 
        - lol  rollingrock   Nov-24-09 03:30 PM   #128 
        - I like this picture better.  eqfan592   Nov-24-09 03:44 PM   #130 
        - Wow, three instances of Arnold's Law in a single thread!  Euromutt   Nov-24-09 07:47 PM   #155 
        - another believer in 'paper armour'?  one-eyed fat man   Nov-25-09 08:44 AM   #167 
     - If you ever get mad enough to commit a violent crime, you definitely should not own a gun  slackmaster   Nov-24-09 02:52 PM   #126 
     - You're "just sayin'"? What are you "just sayin'"?  Euromutt   Nov-24-09 09:00 PM   #158 
  - A question for you:  gorfle   Nov-24-09 03:54 PM   #134 
  - You use 119 words to display an abysmal lack of knowledge of RKBA. IMO you will not read posts to  jody   Nov-24-09 06:05 PM   #149 
  - Because we already have 'strict' gun laws.  Ready4Change   Nov-24-09 06:11 PM   #150 
  - A basic knowledge of history....  virginia mountainman   Nov-24-09 06:41 PM   #152 
  - Gun control is always about keeping "those people" from owing firearms...  spin   Nov-25-09 12:16 PM   #168 
  - Why not let the police search you any time they want?  Taitertots   Nov-25-09 08:41 AM   #166 
  - Yeah...  Glassunion   Jan-07-10 11:33 PM   #172 
  - Is that Interstate Commerce ?  Katya Mullethov   Jan-08-10 07:11 AM   #173 
  - You first...  PavePusher   Jan-08-10 09:38 AM   #183 
  - Great idea ...  spin   Jan-08-10 05:12 PM   #187 
  - Tell a badly battered woman who has left the abuser that she has to wait...  GreenStormCloud   Jan-08-10 02:38 PM   #184 

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