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taurus145 Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. I have to run, but
I have to question the honesty of the researchers in the first link. 1991 (16 years after passage and 14 tears after implementation of the D.C. ban) was a banner year for murder in D.C. The highest rate ever. Almost every year since passage has had a higher per capita murder rate in D.C.

Even the D.C police, who are famous for fudging numbers confirm that.

I'll have to check the second link later. Duty calls. Gotta work to pay the bills.
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  - Resident shoots home invaders oneshooter  Nov-12-09 11:13 AM   #0 
  - Day time is the time to worry in our neighborhoods  goclark   Nov-12-09 11:30 AM   #1 
  - Woohoo! I wish I could shoot somebody!!  jgraz   Nov-12-09 12:17 PM   #2 
     - As you lament victims who have died  AtheistCrusader   Nov-12-09 01:13 PM   #3 
     - That makes you a wingnut. You should seek help.  rd_kent   Nov-12-09 01:22 PM   #4 
     - Self-defense makes you a wingnut now?  mrbarber   Nov-12-09 09:23 PM   #7 
     - Ummm, I think you missed this...  PavePusher   Nov-12-09 09:52 PM   #8 
     - Uh, that was for the guy who said"woohoo! I want to shoot somebody"  rd_kent   Nov-13-09 02:55 AM   #17 
        - He was being sarcastic, in a very ugly way.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 11:39 AM   #31 
           - Yeah, because "try that with a baseball bat!" isn't ugly at all.  jgraz   Nov-13-09 12:25 PM   #36 
              - It's certainly messy.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 12:27 PM   #37 
                 - You sound disappointed  jgraz   Nov-13-09 12:29 PM   #38 
                    - I'll use the sarcasm tag next time, just for you.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 03:30 PM   #50 
                       - And I prefer outcomes where crime victims don't have to deal with it on their own  jgraz   Nov-13-09 04:32 PM   #57 
                          - Wow. So you are blatently anti-self reliance.  PavePusher   Nov-13-09 04:43 PM   #61 
                          - Yes, I'd rather not have homeowners needing to shoot invaders. Horrifying, isn't it?  jgraz   Nov-13-09 04:46 PM   #62 
                             - I'd prefer homeowners (and renters) have the tools needed to remain safe.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 05:23 PM   #64 
                             - I hope I never have to shoot anyone at any time.  PavePusher   Nov-13-09 05:25 PM   #65 
                                - But you would take the tradeoff  jgraz   Nov-13-09 06:19 PM   #67 
                                   - Please.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 08:12 PM   #76 
                                   - Nobody said anything about "giving up", but we "impede" all the time  jgraz   Nov-13-09 11:49 PM   #81 
                                      - You've got a mix there of modest and not-so-modest.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-14-09 02:08 AM   #82 
                                         - Here's an article on tagged bullets from last year  jgraz   Nov-14-09 02:49 AM   #83 
                                            - Just one piece of the puzzle.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-14-09 01:32 PM   #93 
                                   - There is this problem with freedom:  PavePusher   Nov-14-09 11:42 AM   #90 
                                      - Owning a gun is not "freedom"  jgraz   Nov-14-09 11:53 AM   #91 
                                         - 'Owning a gun is not "freedom"'  PavePusher   Nov-14-09 12:11 PM   #92 
                                            - So you believe the majority of pro-gun advocates are *not* right-wingers?  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:37 AM   #116 
                          - Have you ever had to call the police, and wait, while someone actively attempted to inflict harm  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 05:18 PM   #63 
                          - This is where we always end up: personal, emotional, fear-based arguments.  jgraz   Nov-13-09 05:53 PM   #66 
                             - You are forgetting an important part of "waiting".  ManiacJoe   Nov-13-09 06:41 PM   #69 
                             - Doesn't change my basic point. It's still a personal, fear-based argument.  jgraz   Nov-13-09 06:47 PM   #70 
                                - As is reserving resources for my earthquake kit.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 08:02 PM   #72 
                                   - How many people do you think Hasan would have killed with an earthquake kit?  jgraz   Nov-13-09 08:04 PM   #73 
                                      - My kit has a fire axe.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 08:15 PM   #77 
                                      - Different tools for different jobs  taurus145   Nov-14-09 06:01 AM   #85 
                                      - one thing about Hasan...  viscrente   Dec-07-09 08:13 AM   #132 
                             - Can you point to many incidents where the police DO show up in time?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 08:01 PM   #71 
                                - If the police are *never* able to prevent a crime, don't you think that's a problem?  jgraz   Nov-13-09 08:07 PM   #74 
                                   - Everyone who wants to, is able.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 08:18 PM   #78 
                                   - Has someone proposed arming everyone? I must have missed that pearl of wisdom...  agoraphile   Nov-14-09 11:14 AM   #88 
                          - The harsh reality is that your solution is not possible.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-15-09 09:00 AM   #109 
                             - It's not possible in 100% of the cases. But it's possible to improve on the current system  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:39 AM   #117 
                                - "stories about the system failing are not something we should be celebrating"  PavePusher   Nov-15-09 11:38 AM   #118 
                                   - Yes, I'd prefer a system where people don't need to shoot home invaders  jgraz   Nov-15-09 11:43 AM   #119 
                                      - We would all like to have such a system.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-15-09 02:02 PM   #121 
                                      - You're letting your paranoia get the best of you  jgraz   Nov-15-09 04:29 PM   #123 
                                         - "Yes, I'd prefer a system where people don't need to shoot home invaders"  PavePusher   Nov-15-09 06:51 PM   #127 
                                         - You have never advocated any position other than those I have accused you of.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-15-09 07:19 PM   #128 
                                            - Boy that's some stellar logic there  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:03 PM   #129 
                                      - why do you always  one-eyed fat man   Dec-07-09 11:57 PM   #134 
     - Any knowledgeable gun owner especially those with concealed carry licenses...  spin   Nov-12-09 06:06 PM   #5 
     - I wish more people understood this  JoeyT   Nov-12-09 10:38 PM   #10 
     - Your comments on media bias are just plain wrong  jgraz   Nov-13-09 11:48 AM   #33 
     - a bit disingenuous, no?  X_Digger   Nov-13-09 01:36 PM   #42 
        - If you can point to coverage advocating gun control, be my guest  jgraz   Nov-13-09 01:45 PM   #44 
           - But speculating on 'gun show loophole'? And tying in Hasan?  X_Digger   Nov-13-09 02:14 PM   #45 
              - That report is from October 11th, well before anyone heard of Hasan.  jgraz   Nov-13-09 02:36 PM   #46 
                 - definition of re-tread..  X_Digger   Nov-13-09 03:04 PM   #47 
                    - Sounds more like laziness  jgraz   Nov-13-09 03:13 PM   #48 
                       - True, true..  X_Digger   Nov-13-09 06:38 PM   #68 
     - Oh, and you know what almost *never* makes the news?  jgraz   Nov-13-09 12:15 PM   #35 
        - Yes it does.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 08:21 PM   #79 
     - If you REALLY want to  oneshooter   Nov-12-09 07:11 PM   #6 
     - One of these days, we should discuss the concept of sarcasm.  jgraz   Nov-12-09 11:09 PM   #12 
        - It is my guess, just a guess, that you have no idea  oneshooter   Nov-13-09 04:40 PM   #60 
     - No, you don't and I hope I never have to.  proteus_lives   Nov-12-09 10:22 PM   #9 
        - Do you practice your Dirty Harry snarl when you recite those talking points?  jgraz   Nov-12-09 11:08 PM   #11 
           - So hoping I never have to use a gun on another human being makes me "Dirty Harry"?  proteus_lives   Nov-13-09 12:05 AM   #13 
           - Oh joy, another "who, me?" response.  jgraz   Nov-13-09 12:11 AM   #14 
              - Ok, I'm willing to make a deal.  proteus_lives   Nov-13-09 12:53 AM   #15 
              - You just can't resist the tired NRA rhetoric  jgraz   Nov-13-09 01:56 AM   #16 
                 - NRA? How about all that Brady propaganda you and yours spread around.  proteus_lives   Nov-13-09 03:17 AM   #18 
                    - Except I'm not the one spewing unfounded talking points  jgraz   Nov-13-09 03:39 AM   #19 
                       - Try this  taurus145   Nov-13-09 04:23 AM   #20 
                          - If I can correct you there, Taurus  Euromutt   Nov-13-09 09:48 AM   #21 
                             - Yeah, that's not entirely true  jgraz   Nov-13-09 10:10 AM   #24 
                             - So what was the DC teen suicide rate in the years 1977 to 2002?  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-13-09 12:59 PM   #39 
                             - DC gun suicide *and homicide* rate went down after the gun ban  jgraz   Nov-13-09 01:42 PM   #43 
                             - I have to run, but  taurus145   Nov-13-09 03:45 PM   #53 
                             - Once again, the homicide rate was going down before the crack epidemic  jgraz   Nov-13-09 04:02 PM   #54 
                             - So what was the DC teen suicide rate in the years 1977 to 2002?  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-13-09 08:42 PM   #80 
                                - No answer to the question asked, as usual...  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-14-09 04:18 PM   #96 
                                   - Oh stop playing games  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:13 AM   #112 
                                      - No games. The sources you gave don't give figures for teen suicide  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-15-09 05:15 PM   #126 
                                         - You asked a question tangentially related to the facts I stated  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:09 PM   #130 
                             - I didn't reference suicide  taurus145   Nov-13-09 03:37 PM   #52 
                                - OK, you need to back that one up  jgraz   Nov-13-09 04:39 PM   #59 
                                   - Absolutely  taurus145   Nov-14-09 03:48 AM   #84 
                                      - No, "backing it up" means pointing to one article that supports you  jgraz   Nov-14-09 11:13 AM   #87 
                                         - It's only extraordinary to those ignorant  taurus145   Nov-14-09 03:45 PM   #94 
                                            - Welcome to the internets  jgraz   Nov-14-09 07:17 PM   #98 
                                            - Ooooooo sarcasm  taurus145   Nov-15-09 02:24 AM   #104 
                                            - "most states do not classify murder as a violent crime"  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:16 AM   #113 
                                            - I didn't expect you to expend the energy  taurus145   Nov-15-09 01:53 PM   #120 
                                            - I actually did expend the energy. I found out you're full of shit.  jgraz   Nov-15-09 04:31 PM   #125 
                             - You're kind of skewing your own interpretation of the facts as well, aren't you?  Euromutt   Nov-15-09 08:05 AM   #106 
                                - I'm not interpreting the facts at all.  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:10 AM   #111 
                                   - But the homicide rate *did* go up after the DC gun ban!  Euromutt   Nov-16-09 12:31 AM   #131 
                             - You're missing the point.  taurus145   Nov-13-09 03:32 PM   #51 
                                - No, the homicide rate was dropping in DC before crack entered the picture  jgraz   Nov-14-09 11:33 AM   #89 
                                   - I'm done finished with this  taurus145   Nov-14-09 03:49 PM   #95 
                                   - You're done finished, are you?  jgraz   Nov-14-09 07:17 PM   #99 
                                      - Perfectly cromulent grammar in certain areas.  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-14-09 07:33 PM   #100 
                                      - Looks like I need to bower him a dictionary  jgraz   Nov-14-09 07:44 PM   #101 
                                      - Done finished  taurus145   Nov-15-09 02:17 AM   #103 
                                   - The DC homicide rate went up before it came down  Euromutt   Nov-15-09 08:09 AM   #107 
              - No, keep making the small penis jokes.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-13-09 11:40 AM   #32 
                 - Who me? I didn't make a small penis joke.  jgraz   Nov-13-09 11:51 AM   #34 
           - And it's Arnold's Law again  Euromutt   Nov-13-09 09:51 AM   #22 
           - Nice of you to promote your own internet meme  jgraz   Nov-13-09 10:17 AM   #25 
              - You haven't said a blessed thing about gun control in this thread  slackmaster   Nov-13-09 10:25 AM   #28 
              - Sometimes all it takes is a post that isn't sufficiently pro-gun  jgraz   Nov-13-09 10:30 AM   #30 
              - It's not entirely my own, actually  Euromutt   Nov-15-09 07:00 AM   #105 
                 - Quite the fantasy you've built up around me  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:25 AM   #115 
                    - Not a fantasy at all.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-15-09 02:07 PM   #122 
                       - Well, I thought "paranoid delusion" might be a bit strong  jgraz   Nov-15-09 04:30 PM   #124 
           - Are you capable of engaging in a conversation without stooping to juvenile personal attacks?  slackmaster   Nov-13-09 10:04 AM   #23 
              - Once again, the gunnies' need to be the victim comes to the surface  jgraz   Nov-13-09 10:21 AM   #26 
                 - Did I say you'd like to see people victimized?  slackmaster   Nov-13-09 10:24 AM   #27 
                 - Is it too much to ask for a little context before you respond to a thread?  jgraz   Nov-13-09 10:29 AM   #29 
                    - Yes, *let's* look at context.  Euromutt   Nov-15-09 08:44 AM   #108 
                       - Apparently it is too much to ask  jgraz   Nov-15-09 10:22 AM   #114 
                 - Why didn't you simply address what proteus_lives wrote rather than insulting him?  slackmaster   Nov-13-09 01:05 PM   #40 
                    - So I should quietly accept his attacks without saying anything  jgraz   Nov-13-09 01:28 PM   #41 
                       - No, it doesn't go against our philosopy on verbal attacks.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-13-09 03:17 PM   #49 
                       - That may be your philosophy, but it's certainly not the prevailing sentiment here  jgraz   Nov-13-09 04:19 PM   #56 
                          - That philosopy is taught, by law, in ALL Texas Concealed Handgun classes.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-15-09 09:26 AM   #110 
                       - I don't view what he wrote (in that particular post at least) as an attack  slackmaster   Nov-13-09 04:11 PM   #55 
                          - Saying someone would prefer people to be victimized is not an attack?  jgraz   Nov-13-09 04:33 PM   #58 
                             - He said you'd prefer  Merchant Marine   Nov-13-09 08:09 PM   #75 
                             - It seems to me that is an accurate depiction of your point of view  slackmaster   Nov-14-09 09:33 AM   #86 
                                - That, and as the creator of the following artwork put it:  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-14-09 04:22 PM   #97 
                                - And you don't care about toddlers shooting each other  jgraz   Nov-14-09 07:47 PM   #102 
                                   - Hmmm  viscrente   Dec-07-09 08:20 AM   #133 

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