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Wed Oct-28-09 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #64 |
| 102. A great, another grabber who has watched too many movies |
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Yeah, that's great and all if the person is question is jackie chan or bruce lee, and they have notice, and they are within arms reach.
But as the vast majority of the world are not either of those people that isn't really a viable defense.
Asking the 85 year old, 90 lb woman who was just beaten and robbed by a 6ft5 300 lb ex-con "why didn't you just use karate on him" seems a bit callous don't you think?
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| -Toledo, WA geezer defends castle keep...intruder in repose. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 01:41 PM |
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I guess when breaking into someones house and you hear the words "freeze" |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 01:44 PM |
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It's a term of art... |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 01:49 PM |
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another gungeon post celebrating someone's death |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 01:51 PM |
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Could you PLEASE point out this "celebration" you are referring to? |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 01:52 PM |
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why else is a dead intruder in toledo wa newsworthy? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 01:56 PM |
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A reflection on intentions, actions and consequences. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 02:00 PM |
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"why else is a dead intruder in toledo wa newsworthy?" Because it showcases the NEED for guns. |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:03 PM |
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self serving bs |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:08 PM |
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Thats a bunch of crap, and you know it. |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:15 PM |
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i know what i read |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:19 PM |
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Hehe, I love your use of the word "progressive" several times as an insult. |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:21 PM |
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hardly |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:22 PM |
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This link is a good place to begin your studies of the moral questions.... |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 02:30 PM |
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Awesome link, thank you! |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:55 PM |
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Yes. Questions we all deal with every day in our lives. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-29-09 11:13 AM |
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Thanks WheelWalker, that is a very interesting link |
slackmaster |
Oct-29-09 09:39 AM |
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You are quite welcome. It is worthy of sharing. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-29-09 11:14 AM |
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More celebrating someones life |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 01:55 PM |
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i think this forums obsession with "intruder kills" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 01:57 PM |
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Less sickening than grabbers obsession with "innocent deaths" |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 02:03 PM |
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and you know that how? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:40 PM |
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Now you've made a fair point. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:17 PM |
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Because the intruder was a bad guy. The resident was defending, not attacking. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 03:37 PM |
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you have no way to know if that was the case or not. |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:42 PM |
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You have two established facts. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 03:58 PM |
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"goblin" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:01 PM |
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By all appearances, he voted himself off the island. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:02 PM |
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please |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:06 PM |
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What do YOU think the resident should have done? |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:09 PM |
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killing the guy wouldnt be my first thought |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:16 PM |
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Did he have hands and feet? |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:17 PM |
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so can martial arts |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:19 PM |
#64 |
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The defender was 62. As we get older, for most of us, martial arts get to be difficult. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:27 PM |
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Crudest? Please. Pitting physical strength and hand to hand skill against another human is by far |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:28 PM |
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Would you have advocated this if the resident had been a 90 y.o. woman? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:38 PM |
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A great, another grabber who has watched too many movies |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 06:06 PM |
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I can promise you |
happy2day |
Oct-28-09 06:58 PM |
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He didn't think of it first either he told him to freeze twice. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-28-09 08:35 PM |
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I regret the loss of human potential. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:16 PM |
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oh I am sure........... |
one-eyed fat man |
Oct-29-09 08:44 AM |
#110 |
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The term is becoming popular in recent self-defense books. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:04 PM |
#51 |
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there are no established facts at this point |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:08 PM |
#54 |
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Perhaps you should read the article again. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:11 PM |
#56 |
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Better check upstream for your characterization of posters here (nt) |
SteveM |
Nov-01-09 10:28 PM |
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Touché |
Euromutt |
Nov-01-09 10:57 PM |
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What ever happened to those dear, big-eyed zombies Val Luten gave us? (nt) |
SteveM |
Nov-01-09 11:03 PM |
#133 |
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You're right, it's his fault really |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 05:31 PM |
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I think this forums obsession with "guns kill people, people don't kill people" |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:04 PM |
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It's sickening that these scum break into people's houses. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:08 PM |
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"they are FOR protecting human life" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:30 PM |
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So our police are just a bunch of executioners huh? |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:42 PM |
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police carry a tool for ending human life |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:45 PM |
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Murderers are not executioners. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:49 PM |
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if you want to ignore reality be my guest |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:54 PM |
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Well shit, I guess all my guns are broken then. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:55 PM |
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im sure you'll enjoy that. |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:56 PM |
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Well, I'd hate to think I own dozens of things that don't work as designed. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:00 PM |
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what you cant seem to accept |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:04 PM |
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So, how heavy are those goalposts you're moving? |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:13 PM |
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i dont see a point in continuing this |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:18 PM |
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I like that you assume MY premise is broken, and backhandedly declare victory. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:24 PM |
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im not declaring anything |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:28 PM |
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If that wasn't a declaration, I'm illiterate. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:35 PM |
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Of course they are-they're rather clumsy to use as clubs |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:28 PM |
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So not all guns are made for killing? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-28-09 08:38 PM |
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You're contradicting yourself |
Euromutt |
Oct-29-09 09:47 AM |
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Thereby likely saving lives |
Euromutt |
Oct-28-09 05:57 PM |
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Surviving a home invasion strikes me as very progressive...(n/t) |
spin |
Oct-28-09 02:39 PM |
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"home invasion" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:41 PM |
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So now its about the semantics? |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:47 PM |
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The distinction is important. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:19 PM |
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there is no evidence that this was anything but a burglary |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:28 PM |
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I think someone ignoring two "Freeze!" commands creates a reasonable fear of impending violence |
slackmaster |
Oct-28-09 03:41 PM |
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again |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:47 PM |
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Well then. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:52 PM |
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the original article says |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:55 PM |
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They are required to investigate. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:57 PM |
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Easy enough to investigate. There should be blood on the staircase. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:15 PM |
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again with the smart mouth |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:21 PM |
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Your very first reply to the OP was disrespectful enough. Entertaining that you pull the civil |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:30 PM |
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i am experienced enough in this forum |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:35 PM |
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It absolutely does happen. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:38 PM |
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"Probably because I didn't belittle anyone" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:40 PM |
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Enjoy. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:43 PM |
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as i expected |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:48 PM |
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I advanced a pro-gun-control position and was not personally attacked. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:52 PM |
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You are in denial that violent crime happens to innocent people. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:41 PM |
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dont give me that shit |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:44 PM |
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That's all well and good. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:48 PM |
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What less than lethal means? You have not been specific. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:52 PM |
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what part of final answer do you not understand? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 05:07 PM |
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the intruder was a bad guy |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 05:12 PM |
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Execute |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 05:25 PM |
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by what justification? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 05:41 PM |
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"cant imagine why people shun this forum." |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 05:58 PM |
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You may have touched on the strategy of some gun-controllers... |
SteveM |
Nov-01-09 10:41 PM |
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Of course you can say what you please |
Euromutt |
Oct-29-09 09:23 AM |
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He didn't execute him for a minor felony. He defended his own life. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 09:21 PM |
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If you would please |
oneshooter |
Oct-29-09 12:17 PM |
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If you ever have to defend yourself in such a manner, I hope it works for you. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 05:08 PM |
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Well, weak arguments tend to get short shrift here |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:47 PM |
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Probably because they are tired of... |
PavePusher |
Oct-28-09 09:02 PM |
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24 hours and no answer to the question. |
PavePusher |
Oct-29-09 09:33 PM |
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Definately easy to investigate. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:22 PM |
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If the story is accurate, I have no reason to believe this was a burglary. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:45 PM |
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You didn't read the article, did you? For shame! |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:06 PM |
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cut the smarm smart guy |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:11 PM |
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Swing and a miss. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:20 PM |
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i'll keep an eye on this story |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:26 PM |
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You might be waiting a long time. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:33 PM |
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No Jesuitical training, I see... |
tortoise1956 |
Oct-28-09 08:32 PM |
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"We'll see how it turns out." Turns out you were wrong- and promptly took off |
friendly_iconoclast |
Nov-02-09 09:15 AM |
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You missed the difference between 'burglary' and 'home invasion' |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:37 PM |
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xx |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 05:10 PM |
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Knowing a person does not exclude that person from being an intruder |
slackmaster |
Oct-29-09 01:44 PM |
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When the world becomes a better place, even slightly, liberals should celebrate |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Oct-28-09 05:03 PM |
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I have some guns for security |
safeinOhio |
Oct-28-09 02:44 PM |
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Tragic waste of life and human potential |
slackmaster |
Oct-28-09 02:58 PM |
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Agreed. Tragic. At some point in the chain of intentions, decisions and actions of the players, |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 03:08 PM |
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I would truly, deeply hate having to use deadly force on a person or on an animal |
slackmaster |
Oct-28-09 03:13 PM |
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Exactly. There is no rejoicing. Only moral questions each must answer for one's self. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 03:16 PM |
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So how do you interpret the morality of this incident? |
spin |
Oct-28-09 04:32 PM |
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Thusly. One cannot avoid consequences. They arise out of one's actions. Actions arise from |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 05:34 PM |
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Well put... |
spin |
Oct-28-09 06:36 PM |
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Well said. |
rrneck |
Oct-29-09 01:37 PM |
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UPDATE - MORE INFORMATION |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 09:56 AM |
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Sounds like a disgruntled ex-employee with a grudge. n/t |
X_Digger |
Oct-29-09 10:08 AM |
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No. Hanson was not the shooter. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 10:12 AM |
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Doh, that's what I get for skimming! n/t |
X_Digger |
Oct-29-09 10:29 AM |
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I had to read it twice to get that straight, too. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 10:39 AM |
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So now we know: |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 10:33 AM |
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But wait, that contrary to what everyone else was saying. I thought "there was more" to the story? |
rd_kent |
Oct-29-09 02:09 PM |
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But I was promised that the intruder would be a saint |
JonQ |
Oct-29-09 01:30 PM |
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Someone seems to have gotten tired of playing water polo and left the pool |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-29-09 06:45 PM |
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Happens every time. Start posting facts and the gun-grabbers run away. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 09:27 PM |
#128 |
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2nd UPDATE: Investigation backs self-defense claim in Toledo shooting |
GreenStormCloud |
Nov-02-09 09:49 AM |
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Still waiting for the gun grabber to respond to the updates. |
GreenStormCloud |
Nov-07-09 08:27 AM |
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THIRD UPDATE: Sheriff: Man Exercised ‘God-Given Right’ in Fatal Shooting |
GreenStormCloud |
Nov-07-09 09:03 AM |
#137 |
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