AtheistCrusader
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Wed Oct-28-09 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #60 |
| 62. Did he have hands and feet? |
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No mention of an electric wheelchair, so I'm going to assume 'yes'.
That's all someone needs to kill you. If you have a firearm, the firearm can only protect you from a potentially lethal beating, if you USE it.
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| -Toledo, WA geezer defends castle keep...intruder in repose. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 01:41 PM |
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I guess when breaking into someones house and you hear the words "freeze" |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 01:44 PM |
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It's a term of art... |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 01:49 PM |
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another gungeon post celebrating someone's death |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 01:51 PM |
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Could you PLEASE point out this "celebration" you are referring to? |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 01:52 PM |
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why else is a dead intruder in toledo wa newsworthy? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 01:56 PM |
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A reflection on intentions, actions and consequences. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 02:00 PM |
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"why else is a dead intruder in toledo wa newsworthy?" Because it showcases the NEED for guns. |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:03 PM |
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self serving bs |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:08 PM |
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Thats a bunch of crap, and you know it. |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:15 PM |
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i know what i read |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:19 PM |
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Hehe, I love your use of the word "progressive" several times as an insult. |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:21 PM |
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hardly |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:22 PM |
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This link is a good place to begin your studies of the moral questions.... |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 02:30 PM |
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Awesome link, thank you! |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:55 PM |
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Yes. Questions we all deal with every day in our lives. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-29-09 11:13 AM |
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Thanks WheelWalker, that is a very interesting link |
slackmaster |
Oct-29-09 09:39 AM |
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You are quite welcome. It is worthy of sharing. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-29-09 11:14 AM |
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More celebrating someones life |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 01:55 PM |
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i think this forums obsession with "intruder kills" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 01:57 PM |
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Less sickening than grabbers obsession with "innocent deaths" |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 02:03 PM |
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and you know that how? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:40 PM |
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Now you've made a fair point. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:17 PM |
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Because the intruder was a bad guy. The resident was defending, not attacking. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 03:37 PM |
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you have no way to know if that was the case or not. |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:42 PM |
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You have two established facts. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 03:58 PM |
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"goblin" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:01 PM |
#48 |
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By all appearances, he voted himself off the island. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:02 PM |
#49 |
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please |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:06 PM |
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What do YOU think the resident should have done? |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:09 PM |
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killing the guy wouldnt be my first thought |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:16 PM |
#60 |
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Did he have hands and feet? |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:17 PM |
#62 |
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so can martial arts |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:19 PM |
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The defender was 62. As we get older, for most of us, martial arts get to be difficult. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:27 PM |
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Crudest? Please. Pitting physical strength and hand to hand skill against another human is by far |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:28 PM |
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Would you have advocated this if the resident had been a 90 y.o. woman? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:38 PM |
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A great, another grabber who has watched too many movies |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 06:06 PM |
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I can promise you |
happy2day |
Oct-28-09 06:58 PM |
#104 |
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He didn't think of it first either he told him to freeze twice. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-28-09 08:35 PM |
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I regret the loss of human potential. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:16 PM |
#61 |
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oh I am sure........... |
one-eyed fat man |
Oct-29-09 08:44 AM |
#110 |
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The term is becoming popular in recent self-defense books. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:04 PM |
#51 |
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there are no established facts at this point |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:08 PM |
#54 |
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Perhaps you should read the article again. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:11 PM |
#56 |
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Better check upstream for your characterization of posters here (nt) |
SteveM |
Nov-01-09 10:28 PM |
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Touché |
Euromutt |
Nov-01-09 10:57 PM |
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What ever happened to those dear, big-eyed zombies Val Luten gave us? (nt) |
SteveM |
Nov-01-09 11:03 PM |
#133 |
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You're right, it's his fault really |
JonQ |
Oct-28-09 05:31 PM |
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I think this forums obsession with "guns kill people, people don't kill people" |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:04 PM |
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It's sickening that these scum break into people's houses. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:08 PM |
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"they are FOR protecting human life" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:30 PM |
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So our police are just a bunch of executioners huh? |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:42 PM |
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police carry a tool for ending human life |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:45 PM |
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Murderers are not executioners. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:49 PM |
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if you want to ignore reality be my guest |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:54 PM |
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Well shit, I guess all my guns are broken then. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:55 PM |
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im sure you'll enjoy that. |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:56 PM |
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Well, I'd hate to think I own dozens of things that don't work as designed. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:00 PM |
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what you cant seem to accept |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:04 PM |
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So, how heavy are those goalposts you're moving? |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:13 PM |
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i dont see a point in continuing this |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:18 PM |
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I like that you assume MY premise is broken, and backhandedly declare victory. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:24 PM |
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im not declaring anything |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:28 PM |
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If that wasn't a declaration, I'm illiterate. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:35 PM |
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Of course they are-they're rather clumsy to use as clubs |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:28 PM |
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So not all guns are made for killing? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-28-09 08:38 PM |
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You're contradicting yourself |
Euromutt |
Oct-29-09 09:47 AM |
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Thereby likely saving lives |
Euromutt |
Oct-28-09 05:57 PM |
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Surviving a home invasion strikes me as very progressive...(n/t) |
spin |
Oct-28-09 02:39 PM |
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"home invasion" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 02:41 PM |
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So now its about the semantics? |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 02:47 PM |
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The distinction is important. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:19 PM |
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there is no evidence that this was anything but a burglary |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:28 PM |
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I think someone ignoring two "Freeze!" commands creates a reasonable fear of impending violence |
slackmaster |
Oct-28-09 03:41 PM |
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again |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:47 PM |
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Well then. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:52 PM |
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the original article says |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 03:55 PM |
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They are required to investigate. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:57 PM |
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Easy enough to investigate. There should be blood on the staircase. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:15 PM |
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again with the smart mouth |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:21 PM |
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Your very first reply to the OP was disrespectful enough. Entertaining that you pull the civil |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:30 PM |
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i am experienced enough in this forum |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:35 PM |
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It absolutely does happen. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:38 PM |
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"Probably because I didn't belittle anyone" |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:40 PM |
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Enjoy. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:43 PM |
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as i expected |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:48 PM |
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I advanced a pro-gun-control position and was not personally attacked. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:52 PM |
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You are in denial that violent crime happens to innocent people. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:41 PM |
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dont give me that shit |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:44 PM |
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That's all well and good. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:48 PM |
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What less than lethal means? You have not been specific. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:52 PM |
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what part of final answer do you not understand? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 05:07 PM |
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the intruder was a bad guy |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 05:12 PM |
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Execute |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 05:25 PM |
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by what justification? |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 05:41 PM |
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"cant imagine why people shun this forum." |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 05:58 PM |
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You may have touched on the strategy of some gun-controllers... |
SteveM |
Nov-01-09 10:41 PM |
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Of course you can say what you please |
Euromutt |
Oct-29-09 09:23 AM |
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He didn't execute him for a minor felony. He defended his own life. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 09:21 PM |
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If you would please |
oneshooter |
Oct-29-09 12:17 PM |
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If you ever have to defend yourself in such a manner, I hope it works for you. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 05:08 PM |
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Well, weak arguments tend to get short shrift here |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:47 PM |
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Probably because they are tired of... |
PavePusher |
Oct-28-09 09:02 PM |
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24 hours and no answer to the question. |
PavePusher |
Oct-29-09 09:33 PM |
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Definately easy to investigate. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-28-09 04:22 PM |
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If the story is accurate, I have no reason to believe this was a burglary. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 03:45 PM |
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You didn't read the article, did you? For shame! |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:06 PM |
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cut the smarm smart guy |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:11 PM |
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Swing and a miss. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:20 PM |
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i'll keep an eye on this story |
Howardx |
Oct-28-09 04:26 PM |
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You might be waiting a long time. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-28-09 04:33 PM |
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No Jesuitical training, I see... |
tortoise1956 |
Oct-28-09 08:32 PM |
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"We'll see how it turns out." Turns out you were wrong- and promptly took off |
friendly_iconoclast |
Nov-02-09 09:15 AM |
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You missed the difference between 'burglary' and 'home invasion' |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-28-09 04:37 PM |
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xx |
rd_kent |
Oct-28-09 05:10 PM |
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Knowing a person does not exclude that person from being an intruder |
slackmaster |
Oct-29-09 01:44 PM |
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When the world becomes a better place, even slightly, liberals should celebrate |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Oct-28-09 05:03 PM |
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I have some guns for security |
safeinOhio |
Oct-28-09 02:44 PM |
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Tragic waste of life and human potential |
slackmaster |
Oct-28-09 02:58 PM |
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Agreed. Tragic. At some point in the chain of intentions, decisions and actions of the players, |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 03:08 PM |
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I would truly, deeply hate having to use deadly force on a person or on an animal |
slackmaster |
Oct-28-09 03:13 PM |
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Exactly. There is no rejoicing. Only moral questions each must answer for one's self. |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 03:16 PM |
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So how do you interpret the morality of this incident? |
spin |
Oct-28-09 04:32 PM |
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Thusly. One cannot avoid consequences. They arise out of one's actions. Actions arise from |
WheelWalker |
Oct-28-09 05:34 PM |
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Well put... |
spin |
Oct-28-09 06:36 PM |
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Well said. |
rrneck |
Oct-29-09 01:37 PM |
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UPDATE - MORE INFORMATION |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 09:56 AM |
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Sounds like a disgruntled ex-employee with a grudge. n/t |
X_Digger |
Oct-29-09 10:08 AM |
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No. Hanson was not the shooter. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 10:12 AM |
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Doh, that's what I get for skimming! n/t |
X_Digger |
Oct-29-09 10:29 AM |
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I had to read it twice to get that straight, too. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 10:39 AM |
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So now we know: |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 10:33 AM |
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But wait, that contrary to what everyone else was saying. I thought "there was more" to the story? |
rd_kent |
Oct-29-09 02:09 PM |
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But I was promised that the intruder would be a saint |
JonQ |
Oct-29-09 01:30 PM |
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Someone seems to have gotten tired of playing water polo and left the pool |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-29-09 06:45 PM |
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Happens every time. Start posting facts and the gun-grabbers run away. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-29-09 09:27 PM |
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2nd UPDATE: Investigation backs self-defense claim in Toledo shooting |
GreenStormCloud |
Nov-02-09 09:49 AM |
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Still waiting for the gun grabber to respond to the updates. |
GreenStormCloud |
Nov-07-09 08:27 AM |
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THIRD UPDATE: Sheriff: Man Exercised ‘God-Given Right’ in Fatal Shooting |
GreenStormCloud |
Nov-07-09 09:03 AM |
#137 |
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