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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 07:44 AM
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24. I'm going to have to dispute the veracity of some of those statistics
Specifically, most of those in the second paragraph. They're all based on various studies by one guy, Arthur Kellermann, and are riddled with errors, distortions and the occasional outright lie. I'll be happy to point out the flaws, but that's going to take time I don't have right now. Glad to do it later, though.
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  - Of Nuts And Grabbers tucsonlib  Oct-16-09 03:59 AM   #0 
  - so you label others - "They are the only grabbers. They are the only nuts." and then  DrDan   Oct-16-09 04:23 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, well....  tucsonlib   Oct-16-09 04:28 AM   #2 
  - I have a sincere question for gun enthusiasts.  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 04:56 AM   #3 
  - Automatic Weapons Are Already Tightly Controlled  tucsonlib   Oct-16-09 05:09 AM   #4 
  - oops and thanks - evidently that's what I mean.  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 05:12 AM   #6 
     - For a hunter  AtheistCrusader   Oct-16-09 07:41 AM   #23 
     - I'm about to conclude reading a book on deer hunting...  SteveM   Oct-25-09 09:21 AM   #77 
     - It's a question of time and meaning.  Francis Marion   Jan-23-10 03:52 PM   #82 
  - There is no "fight to include automatic weapons in those categories"  Euromutt   Oct-16-09 05:10 AM   #5 
  - Hughes Amendment  one-eyed fat man   Oct-16-09 08:37 AM   #33 
  - Can You Provide Some Examples?  DrCory   Oct-16-09 05:22 AM   #7 
  - No necessarily on DU, but in general  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 05:30 AM   #8 
     - Most standard police weapons are semi-automatic  Euromutt   Oct-16-09 05:56 AM   #9 
     - thank you for a perfectly logical explanation.  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 06:03 AM   #10 
        - In principle, I completely agree with you  Euromutt   Oct-16-09 06:20 AM   #12 
        - Excellent comparison.  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 06:52 AM   #14 
           - Well, in the NRA's defense  Euromutt   Oct-16-09 07:11 AM   #16 
           - the NRA (I think) needs to step up it's efforts.  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 07:23 AM   #18 
              - I'm going to have to dispute the veracity of some of those statistics  Euromutt   Oct-16-09 07:44 AM   #24 
              - The CDC  pipoman   Oct-16-09 07:47 AM   #27 
              - Okay. Thanks to you and Euromutt for the clarification. n/t  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 07:52 AM   #28 
                 - To follow up on the Kellermann studies  Euromutt   Oct-17-09 02:26 AM   #48 
              - 642 accidental shootings is pretty good.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-16-09 07:52 AM   #29 
              - "220 from undetermined intent"?? LOL. Those were JUSTIFIABLE homicides.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 05:01 PM   #39 
              - Holy crap, you're right!  Euromutt   Oct-17-09 03:31 AM   # 
              - Oops, double tap; please ignore  Euromutt   Oct-17-09 03:31 AM   #49 
              - Nice correlation.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-17-09 11:44 PM   #53 
              - "Undertermined intent" is CDC speak for justified homicide in self defense.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-23-10 06:19 PM   #86 
           - The NRA supplies most of the firearms training available. And, for the most part, the most accessibl  AtheistCrusader   Oct-16-09 07:45 AM   #26 
           - I'm in favor of minimal restrictions  taurus145   Jan-24-10 12:28 PM   #93 
           - Gun accident rates have been dropping steadily for over 50 years. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 04:42 PM   #38 
           - Considerable training is already required...  SteveM   Oct-25-09 09:32 AM   #78 
        - Gun classes are an excellent idea for a new shooter...  spin   Oct-16-09 07:14 PM   #43 
           - A bit off topic, but scuba certifications are not mandatory by legislation - it's  petronius   Oct-24-09 01:36 AM   #66 
     - What do you consider overkill?  DrCory   Oct-16-09 06:15 AM   #11 
     - For example, 'sporting rifles' that actually take the sport out of it.  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 06:40 AM   #13 
        - Well, only a small minority of gun owners are hunters (less than 1 in 5)...  benEzra   Oct-16-09 07:10 AM   #15 
        - Do bear in mind also that rate of fire is only part of the equation  Euromutt   Oct-16-09 07:39 AM   #21 
        - To some degree...  DrCory   Oct-16-09 07:45 AM   #25 
        - Most, if not all states have laws controlling exactly how weapons are used for hunting.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-16-09 08:03 AM   #31 
        - sporting rifles don't take the sport out of it  backwoodsbob   Oct-16-09 04:18 PM   #36 
        - Evolution has bred into human males a "hunting hunger".  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 05:06 PM   #40 
        - you do know that the majority of calories consumed by "cavemen"  Scout   Oct-16-09 05:27 PM   #41 
           - What's your point? nt  rrneck   Oct-16-09 07:01 PM   #42 
           - The majority of calories were indeed from gathered food.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 08:10 PM   #45 
           - And many of the women "gatherers" also hunted...  SteveM   Oct-25-09 09:49 AM   #79 
           - That does not refute GSC's post.  PavePusher   Jan-23-10 09:21 PM   #89 
        - O.K., I'm still confused.  PavePusher   Oct-17-09 11:54 AM   #52 
        - Your comment seems to imply...  PavePusher   Jan-23-10 09:17 PM   #88 
     - In addition to what Euromutt wrote  pipoman   Oct-16-09 07:21 AM   #17 
     - Thank you all for a resonable, civil discussion.  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 07:29 AM   #19 
        - There are many responsible studies available, conducted by  pipoman   Oct-16-09 07:58 AM   #30 
           - point well taken. Would that we all die of natural causes at a ripe old age,  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 08:08 AM   #32 
              - Take any points gleaned from the gungeon with humongus grains of salt  russ1943   Oct-21-09 01:02 AM   #54 
                 - Gosh, look at your error...  PavePusher   Oct-23-09 08:50 PM   #60 
                 - In fairness to russ  Euromutt   Oct-23-09 09:29 PM   #61 
                 - Yeah, one minor error by one poster discredits everything anyone's said  Euromutt   Oct-23-09 10:16 PM   #64 
                 - At least an effort for accuracy........  russ1943   Oct-25-09 12:30 AM   #75 
                    - The phrase "undetermined intent" is dishonest, when those shooting are known to be self-defense.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-25-09 08:39 AM   #76 
                    - Thanks for acknowledging my attempt at accuracy  Euromutt   Oct-25-09 04:58 PM   #81 
                 - Here is my take on the NSC:  SteveM   Oct-25-09 09:58 AM   #80 
     - In America, we don't have a Bureau of Needs.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 04:38 PM   #37 
  - There is no fight. Automatic weapons have been controlled since 1934, and no new produced for  AtheistCrusader   Oct-16-09 07:38 AM   #20 
  - Yes, I was politely corrected earlier. Thanks. n/t  Ineeda   Oct-16-09 07:40 AM   #22 
     - Note that many people have this misconception...  spin   Oct-16-09 07:21 PM   #44 
        - it's even more than that  paulsby   Oct-21-09 11:50 AM   #57 
  - The discussion about automatic weapons ended in 1934  slackmaster   Oct-16-09 09:23 AM   #34 
  - I guess I'm a little different than most here. I say YES to full autos!  OneTenthofOnePercent   Oct-21-09 09:36 AM   #55 
  - Automatic weapons have been strictly regulated since the 1930s  slackmaster   Jan-24-10 09:38 AM   #92 
  - I read the title and went "Ouch!" (nut grabber? ) n/t  X_Digger   Oct-16-09 10:15 AM   #35 
  - "Ouch!" Indeed!  tucsonlib   Oct-16-09 11:34 PM   #46 
  - The more both sides stay away from name calling, the better our discussions.  aikoaiko   Oct-17-09 12:00 AM   #47 
  - I find that forum rules against personal insults can actually be counter-productive in this context  Euromutt   Oct-17-09 06:33 AM   #50 
     - Yes, what you describe is the "work around" for that rule.  aikoaiko   Oct-17-09 08:56 AM   #51 
  - i have a problem with this  paulsby   Oct-21-09 11:39 AM   #56 
  - You Make Some Very Excellent Points  tucsonlib   Oct-23-09 01:58 AM   #58 
     - I carry a firearm everywhere I legally am able.  PavePusher   Oct-23-09 11:44 AM   #59 
        - Again, Just One Man's Opinion....  tucsonlib   Oct-23-09 09:33 PM   #62 
           - Of course I carry everywhere I am legally able to.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-23-09 09:51 PM   #63 
           - I Can't Predict Where I May Need To Suddenly Defend Against......  tucsonlib   Oct-23-09 10:47 PM   #65 
              - Weather is far more predictable than human violence.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-24-09 03:01 AM   #68 
              - I'm Not "Afraid" Of You.....  tucsonlib   Oct-24-09 04:26 AM   #69 
                 - I was talking about concealed carry. Sorry I didn't make that clear.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-24-09 06:43 AM   #70 
                    - fair 'nuff n/t  tucsonlib   Oct-24-09 03:14 PM   #72 
              - Here is a D.U. thread that may interest you.  Hoopla Phil   Oct-24-09 03:57 PM   #73 
                 - Ya Try To Inject A Little Humor........  tucsonlib   Oct-24-09 09:12 PM   #74 
           - people keep repeating it, but it aint true  paulsby   Oct-24-09 02:01 AM   #67 
           - So now the legal exercise of Civil Rights...  PavePusher   Oct-24-09 10:46 AM   #71 
  - being an advocate for choice does not make me an "abortion enthusiast"  paulsby   Jan-23-10 04:49 PM   #83 
  - I bought a gun magazine once  Artie Bucco   Jan-23-10 05:28 PM   #84 
     - i hope you used cash :)  paulsby   Jan-23-10 05:37 PM   #85 
  - I'll grab my nuts whenever I feel the urge. Thank you.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-23-10 08:15 PM   #87 
  - Oh gawd.  PavePusher   Jan-23-10 09:30 PM   #90 
     - The only reason I peruse old stuff -- to see others who stumble into the same mix! nt  SteveM   Jan-24-10 08:52 AM   #91 

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