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Fri Oct-16-09 07:10 AM
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| 15. Well, only a small minority of gun owners are hunters (less than 1 in 5)... |
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and most hunters I know eat what they kill, though they certainly do enjoy the hunt. I am not a hunter myself, but it is my impression that it is more than a "sport" though; it is not a game, but something more deep-rooted. Humans are apex predators, after all, not herbivores, and most of us still obtain much of our protein from meat. I think it is probably more honest to kill the animal yourself, as quickly and humanely as possible, after it has lived a full life in the wild, than to buy the animal shrinkwrapped at the grocery store and pretend something didn't have to die to provide us that nutrition. I may take up hunting someday, but the big problem is opportunity and expense.
The primary reason Americans own guns are (1) defensive purposes and (2) recreational target shooting, and semiautomatic firearms are the most popular choices for both roles.
I think a lot of non-gunnies don't fully understand the term "semiautomatic," and the gun-control side plays to that. The pistol your local police officer carries on her/his hip is semiautomatic, as are the pistols used in target competition at the Olympic Games.
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tucsonlib |
Oct-16-09 03:59 AM |
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so you label others - "They are the only grabbers. They are the only nuts." and then |
DrDan |
Oct-16-09 04:23 AM |
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Yeah, well.... |
tucsonlib |
Oct-16-09 04:28 AM |
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I have a sincere question for gun enthusiasts. |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 04:56 AM |
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Automatic Weapons Are Already Tightly Controlled |
tucsonlib |
Oct-16-09 05:09 AM |
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oops and thanks - evidently that's what I mean. |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 05:12 AM |
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For a hunter |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-16-09 07:41 AM |
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I'm about to conclude reading a book on deer hunting... |
SteveM |
Oct-25-09 09:21 AM |
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It's a question of time and meaning. |
Francis Marion |
Jan-23-10 03:52 PM |
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There is no "fight to include automatic weapons in those categories" |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-09 05:10 AM |
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Hughes Amendment |
one-eyed fat man |
Oct-16-09 08:37 AM |
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Can You Provide Some Examples? |
DrCory |
Oct-16-09 05:22 AM |
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No necessarily on DU, but in general |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 05:30 AM |
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Most standard police weapons are semi-automatic |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-09 05:56 AM |
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thank you for a perfectly logical explanation. |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 06:03 AM |
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In principle, I completely agree with you |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-09 06:20 AM |
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Excellent comparison. |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 06:52 AM |
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Well, in the NRA's defense |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-09 07:11 AM |
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the NRA (I think) needs to step up it's efforts. |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 07:23 AM |
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I'm going to have to dispute the veracity of some of those statistics |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-09 07:44 AM |
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The CDC |
pipoman |
Oct-16-09 07:47 AM |
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Okay. Thanks to you and Euromutt for the clarification. n/t |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 07:52 AM |
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To follow up on the Kellermann studies |
Euromutt |
Oct-17-09 02:26 AM |
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642 accidental shootings is pretty good. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-16-09 07:52 AM |
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"220 from undetermined intent"?? LOL. Those were JUSTIFIABLE homicides. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 05:01 PM |
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Holy crap, you're right! |
Euromutt |
Oct-17-09 03:31 AM |
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Oops, double tap; please ignore |
Euromutt |
Oct-17-09 03:31 AM |
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Nice correlation. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-17-09 11:44 PM |
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"Undertermined intent" is CDC speak for justified homicide in self defense. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-23-10 06:19 PM |
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The NRA supplies most of the firearms training available. And, for the most part, the most accessibl |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-16-09 07:45 AM |
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I'm in favor of minimal restrictions |
taurus145 |
Jan-24-10 12:28 PM |
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Gun accident rates have been dropping steadily for over 50 years. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 04:42 PM |
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Considerable training is already required... |
SteveM |
Oct-25-09 09:32 AM |
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Gun classes are an excellent idea for a new shooter... |
spin |
Oct-16-09 07:14 PM |
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A bit off topic, but scuba certifications are not mandatory by legislation - it's |
petronius |
Oct-24-09 01:36 AM |
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What do you consider overkill? |
DrCory |
Oct-16-09 06:15 AM |
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For example, 'sporting rifles' that actually take the sport out of it. |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 06:40 AM |
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Well, only a small minority of gun owners are hunters (less than 1 in 5)... |
benEzra |
Oct-16-09 07:10 AM |
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Do bear in mind also that rate of fire is only part of the equation |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-09 07:39 AM |
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To some degree... |
DrCory |
Oct-16-09 07:45 AM |
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Most, if not all states have laws controlling exactly how weapons are used for hunting. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-16-09 08:03 AM |
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sporting rifles don't take the sport out of it |
backwoodsbob |
Oct-16-09 04:18 PM |
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Evolution has bred into human males a "hunting hunger". |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 05:06 PM |
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you do know that the majority of calories consumed by "cavemen" |
Scout |
Oct-16-09 05:27 PM |
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What's your point? nt |
rrneck |
Oct-16-09 07:01 PM |
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The majority of calories were indeed from gathered food. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 08:10 PM |
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And many of the women "gatherers" also hunted... |
SteveM |
Oct-25-09 09:49 AM |
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That does not refute GSC's post. |
PavePusher |
Jan-23-10 09:21 PM |
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O.K., I'm still confused. |
PavePusher |
Oct-17-09 11:54 AM |
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Your comment seems to imply... |
PavePusher |
Jan-23-10 09:17 PM |
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In addition to what Euromutt wrote |
pipoman |
Oct-16-09 07:21 AM |
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Thank you all for a resonable, civil discussion. |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 07:29 AM |
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There are many responsible studies available, conducted by |
pipoman |
Oct-16-09 07:58 AM |
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point well taken. Would that we all die of natural causes at a ripe old age, |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 08:08 AM |
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Take any points gleaned from the gungeon with humongus grains of salt |
russ1943 |
Oct-21-09 01:02 AM |
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Gosh, look at your error... |
PavePusher |
Oct-23-09 08:50 PM |
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In fairness to russ |
Euromutt |
Oct-23-09 09:29 PM |
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Yeah, one minor error by one poster discredits everything anyone's said |
Euromutt |
Oct-23-09 10:16 PM |
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At least an effort for accuracy........ |
russ1943 |
Oct-25-09 12:30 AM |
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The phrase "undetermined intent" is dishonest, when those shooting are known to be self-defense. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-25-09 08:39 AM |
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Thanks for acknowledging my attempt at accuracy |
Euromutt |
Oct-25-09 04:58 PM |
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Here is my take on the NSC: |
SteveM |
Oct-25-09 09:58 AM |
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In America, we don't have a Bureau of Needs. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 04:38 PM |
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There is no fight. Automatic weapons have been controlled since 1934, and no new produced for |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-16-09 07:38 AM |
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Yes, I was politely corrected earlier. Thanks. n/t |
Ineeda |
Oct-16-09 07:40 AM |
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Note that many people have this misconception... |
spin |
Oct-16-09 07:21 PM |
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it's even more than that |
paulsby |
Oct-21-09 11:50 AM |
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The discussion about automatic weapons ended in 1934 |
slackmaster |
Oct-16-09 09:23 AM |
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I guess I'm a little different than most here. I say YES to full autos! |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Oct-21-09 09:36 AM |
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Automatic weapons have been strictly regulated since the 1930s |
slackmaster |
Jan-24-10 09:38 AM |
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I read the title and went "Ouch!" (nut grabber? ) n/t |
X_Digger |
Oct-16-09 10:15 AM |
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"Ouch!" Indeed! |
tucsonlib |
Oct-16-09 11:34 PM |
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The more both sides stay away from name calling, the better our discussions. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-17-09 12:00 AM |
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I find that forum rules against personal insults can actually be counter-productive in this context |
Euromutt |
Oct-17-09 06:33 AM |
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Yes, what you describe is the "work around" for that rule. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-17-09 08:56 AM |
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i have a problem with this |
paulsby |
Oct-21-09 11:39 AM |
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You Make Some Very Excellent Points |
tucsonlib |
Oct-23-09 01:58 AM |
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I carry a firearm everywhere I legally am able. |
PavePusher |
Oct-23-09 11:44 AM |
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Again, Just One Man's Opinion.... |
tucsonlib |
Oct-23-09 09:33 PM |
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Of course I carry everywhere I am legally able to. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-23-09 09:51 PM |
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I Can't Predict Where I May Need To Suddenly Defend Against...... |
tucsonlib |
Oct-23-09 10:47 PM |
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Weather is far more predictable than human violence. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-24-09 03:01 AM |
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I'm Not "Afraid" Of You..... |
tucsonlib |
Oct-24-09 04:26 AM |
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I was talking about concealed carry. Sorry I didn't make that clear. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-24-09 06:43 AM |
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fair 'nuff n/t |
tucsonlib |
Oct-24-09 03:14 PM |
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Here is a D.U. thread that may interest you. |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-24-09 03:57 PM |
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Ya Try To Inject A Little Humor........ |
tucsonlib |
Oct-24-09 09:12 PM |
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people keep repeating it, but it aint true |
paulsby |
Oct-24-09 02:01 AM |
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So now the legal exercise of Civil Rights... |
PavePusher |
Oct-24-09 10:46 AM |
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being an advocate for choice does not make me an "abortion enthusiast" |
paulsby |
Jan-23-10 04:49 PM |
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I bought a gun magazine once |
Artie Bucco |
Jan-23-10 05:28 PM |
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i hope you used cash :) |
paulsby |
Jan-23-10 05:37 PM |
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I'll grab my nuts whenever I feel the urge. Thank you. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-23-10 08:15 PM |
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Oh gawd. |
PavePusher |
Jan-23-10 09:30 PM |
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The only reason I peruse old stuff -- to see others who stumble into the same mix! nt |
SteveM |
Jan-24-10 08:52 AM |
#91 |
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