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Reply #9: I do have a question. Sincerely and no harm meant here! [View All]

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9. I do have a question. Sincerely and no harm meant here!
As I understand the Second Amendment (and I don't claim to be The Ultimate Expert, either), there's this part about a "well regulated militia." That at least suggests that the originators believed in private gun ownership that was well regulated and overseen so it would be responsible.

What do I have wrong about that? It just seems so self-evident - that such a right (described as well-regulated) shall not be abridged. I don't have a problem with well-regulated gun-ownership. I prefer it.

BTW - phone activists from the NRA have been trying to call our house and talk to my husband for a couple of weeks now. I've answered the phone every time. Finally, one of them decided to stay on the line and talk to me. She asked if I would listen to a message from Wayne LaPierre. I did - I wanted to hear the message.

AMAZING!!!!! What was played for me was about two minutes of the most ridiculous, paranoid, unhinged, shrill, shrieking hysteria I think I've ever heard outside the ramblings of michele bachmann. UNBELIEVABLE! Basically it boiled down to two breathless, screeching minutes of "The UN!!!!! is CONSPIRING!!!!! with HILLARY CLINTON!!!!! to TAYKE AHR GUHNNNNNZZZZ!!!!"

Oh for the love of GOD!!!! I was absolutely gobsmacked! What. The. Fuck!?!?!?!?!??!? What The Fucking Damn Hellzapoppin' Fuck???

A different voice came back on the line after the message - that had left me gazing wild-eyed and mouth agape at my phone in utter disbelief at what I'd just heard. They asked if I'd listened to the message. I said yes. They asked what I thought. And I began to say that I thought it was absolutely ridiculous and that I believe in the U.N. and I have GREAT faith in and admiration for Hillary Clinton and ...

And they hung up on me.

Help me understand the mentality here. Because I DO see an awful lot of "Deliverance" every time some gun advocate pipes up. ESPECIALLY after this rather astounding and troublesome encounter.

Because what I was about to say before they hung up on me was - "what bothers me most is the thought that someone who sounds this deranged should be allowed to own ANY kind of firearm at all." It shook me up so much that, by now, my attitude is changing to - "I hope TO GOD somebody DOES take away YER GUHNNNNZZZZ!!!! Whether it's the UN or Hillary Clinton or Captain Kangaroo!!! For the sake of the safety and sanity of all the rest of us!"

So as I just said - please help me understand this better. You've gotta know that there's a huge element of people purportedly on your side of this argument who do NOT represent it, or you, well at all.
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  I think I'm beginning to understand why many anti-gunners hate all gun owners... spin  Oct-15-09 07:55 PM   #0 
   Good post. I don't hate gun owners - I just don't understand them.  NRaleighLiberal   Oct-15-09 07:59 PM   #1 
   If I had never owned firearms and never learned the enjoyment of target shooting...  spin   Oct-15-09 09:19 PM   #18 
   Very confusing  OttavaKarhu   Oct-17-09 03:46 AM   #45 
   You owe me a new keyboard  TheCowsCameHome   Oct-15-09 08:00 PM   #2 
   grew up with guns have guns in safe at home right now  Fresh_Start   Oct-15-09 08:02 PM   #3 
   There are those who favor confiscating all firearms...  spin   Oct-15-09 09:37 PM   #21 
      voices in your head?  iverglas   Oct-16-09 06:33 PM   #40 
         You're only here because we fascinate you  OttavaKarhu   Oct-17-09 03:47 AM   #46 
         oh look  iverglas   Oct-17-09 01:21 PM   #53 
            Where do I sign up!  NewMoonTherian   Oct-25-09 12:19 PM   #87 
         do you EVER get tired of  backwoodsbob   Oct-17-09 08:42 PM   #68 
   Thanks for your post, Spin. You said everything I'd say, but you said it better than I could! nt  Mist   Oct-15-09 08:03 PM   #4 
   so the states with the highest rates of suicide are where again?  xchrom   Oct-15-09 08:03 PM   #5 
   Availability of firearms has no bearing on suicides  Jeramy   Oct-15-09 08:41 PM   #11 
   Suicide is always tragic, but there are many means to commit suicide...  spin   Oct-15-09 09:28 PM   #20 
   I can tell you where the countries with the highest suicide rates are  Euromutt   Oct-16-09 05:10 AM   #29 
   People with guns are free(er).  gorfle   Oct-16-09 05:52 PM   #38 
   States where they don't want to be alive  Blu_Statr   Oct-22-09 12:46 AM   #85 
   So, you are at war with perhaps a third of the nation?  SteveM   Oct-25-09 12:00 PM   #86 
   I'm not anti-gun but I find many gun enthusiasts to be as annoying as Ron Paul supporters  Hello_Kitty   Oct-15-09 08:05 PM   #6 
   You paint with a very broad brush. Just sayin'... n/t  PavePusher   Oct-15-09 08:33 PM   #10 
      Just callin' it like I see it. eom  Hello_Kitty   Oct-15-09 09:00 PM   #16 
         You need your vision adjusted  OttavaKarhu   Oct-17-09 04:01 AM   #48 
   I don't hate guns or gun owners  Chemisse   Oct-15-09 08:18 PM   #7 
   These are the types of gun control laws we need to work on...  spin   Oct-15-09 08:26 PM   #8 
   Waiting periods serve no useful purpose.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 04:29 PM   #33 
      One big advantage of a concealed carry permit in Florida...  spin   Oct-17-09 01:06 PM   #52 
         and meanwhile  iverglas   Oct-17-09 03:24 PM   #64 
         Did I say I was buying new handguns?  spin   Oct-17-09 05:22 PM   #65 
         In Texas, nobody has to wait. And CHL holders don't have to do an NICS check.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-17-09 08:56 PM   #69 
         hurray  iverglas   Oct-18-09 12:27 PM   #70 
            Thank you for the cheer. We do have greater freedom regarding guns in Texas.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-18-09 12:42 PM   #74 
               well hey  iverglas   Oct-18-09 01:38 PM   #75 
                  What does one have to do with the other?  GreenStormCloud   Oct-18-09 02:38 PM   #76 
         the transport laws here n NC are very vague. how do ya separate weapon and ammo in a hatch back.? i  sam sarrha   Oct-20-09 10:31 PM   #82 
   I do have a question. Sincerely and no harm meant here!  calimary   Oct-15-09 08:31 PM   #9 
   The supreme courd doesn't agree with your interpretation of the second amendment.  Tim01   Oct-15-09 08:57 PM   #14 
   Three things..  X_Digger   Oct-15-09 09:07 PM   #17 
   Thank you for that  chibajoe   Oct-20-09 09:27 AM   #80 
      Happy to help- I need to bookmark it so that I can refer to it again! n/t  X_Digger   Oct-20-09 10:55 PM   #83 
   No, that was not the intention.  Jeramy   Oct-15-09 09:26 PM   #19 
   While I won't be able to give as excellent a response as Digger I do have .02 to add.  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-09 10:21 PM   #24 
   First, don't EVER answer a phone call from the NRA...  spin   Oct-15-09 10:34 PM   #25 
   So only those whom who agree with politically have rights? N/T  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 04:33 PM   #34 
   On militias.  gorfle   Oct-16-09 06:37 PM   #41 
   "No harm meant"? "Sincere"?  OttavaKarhu   Oct-17-09 04:16 AM   #49 
      Wow. Awesome.  PavePusher   Oct-17-09 12:41 PM   #51 
      love the patronizing, uh, hypocrisy  iverglas   Oct-17-09 01:28 PM   #55 
      Someone has to be first. Why not "us"? n/t  PavePusher   Oct-17-09 01:42 PM   #57 
         stopped beating your dog?  iverglas   Oct-17-09 02:09 PM   #58 
      Great post and very good advise.  spin   Oct-17-09 02:13 PM   #59 
      really?  iverglas   Oct-17-09 02:27 PM   #61 
      "Ever read The Beans of Egypt, Maine?". Here's part of an 'interview' with the author:  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-17-09 05:46 PM   #66 
      fascinating  iverglas   Oct-18-09 12:29 PM   #71 
         And the "Law Of Association" is invoked  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-18-09 05:05 PM   #79 
      If you noticed, in the OP that started this thread...  spin   Oct-17-09 08:15 PM   #67 
         yeah, I did  iverglas   Oct-18-09 12:31 PM   #72 
      Yep, I hear you. I grew up in Gainesville (Class o' 70) and hunted...  SteveM   Oct-25-09 12:26 PM   #88 
      oh, and btw  iverglas   Oct-17-09 02:13 PM   #60 
   Your equation of gun CONTROL with gun CONFISCATION puts you smack dab in that unphotogenic camp you  katandmoon   Oct-15-09 08:54 PM   #12 
   Yay! katandmoon is here. I so enjoy talking to her.  Tim01   Oct-15-09 08:59 PM   #15 
   You feel that I feel superior to those who favor draconian gun control...  spin   Oct-16-09 12:10 PM   #30 
   Don't forget one big reason that many are anti-gun  customerserviceguy   Oct-15-09 08:56 PM   #13 
   A good point...  spin   Oct-15-09 10:48 PM   #26 
   i owned guns,never hunted,and my father in law hunted all his life  madrchsod   Oct-15-09 10:02 PM   #22 
   Either a gun safe, or on your body. Can't get much safer than that.  Jeramy   Oct-15-09 10:08 PM   #23 
   Wecome to DU. (n/t)  spin   Oct-15-09 10:58 PM   #28 
   Well laws such as the assault weapons ban will not...  spin   Oct-15-09 10:53 PM   #27 
   I will never understand why people go to such lengths to post  iverglas   Oct-16-09 01:08 PM   #31 
   Good to see you back, hope everything went well...  spin   Oct-16-09 02:01 PM   #32 
   Many of the non-owners are married to a firearms owner.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 04:41 PM   #35 
      so?  iverglas   Oct-16-09 04:58 PM   #36 
         That does not mean that it is over the woman's objection that the man owns guns.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 05:29 PM   #37 
            and that does not mean that I said it was  iverglas   Oct-16-09 06:30 PM   #39 
            Did I say that you said it was?  GreenStormCloud   Oct-16-09 09:20 PM   #42 
               so ... you said it because ...  iverglas   Oct-17-09 01:30 PM   #56 
                  I said it because I felt it should be pointed out. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Oct-17-09 03:15 PM   #62 
                     to me?  iverglas   Oct-18-09 12:32 PM   #73 
                        To whomever it may concern.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-18-09 02:40 PM   #77 
            Paperwork names ain't simple  OttavaKarhu   Oct-17-09 03:59 AM   #47 
            awwww, look  iverglas   Oct-17-09 01:23 PM   #54 
               I don't think that qualifies as a straw purchase.  GreenStormCloud   Oct-17-09 03:24 PM   #63 
               That's not a straw purchase.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-21-09 01:34 PM   #84 
            When I was married...  spin   Oct-17-09 12:22 PM   #50 
               I have a similar-looking Ruger Police Service Six in .357...  SteveM   Oct-25-09 12:45 PM   #89 
   What about the good old fashion way ?  Katya Mullethov   Oct-16-09 09:37 PM   #43 
   I just don't get all these rightwing gun nuts  JonQ   Oct-16-09 10:11 PM   #44 
   Where did that photo of Charles Bronson come from?  Retired AF Dem   Oct-18-09 02:51 PM   #78 
   i picked up a Bretta Tomcat 32apc at the Gun Show to keep my 92fs Inox company, i was really very  sam sarrha   Oct-20-09 09:58 PM   #81 
 

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