calimary
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Thu Oct-15-09 08:31 PM
Response to Original message |
| 9. I do have a question. Sincerely and no harm meant here! |
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As I understand the Second Amendment (and I don't claim to be The Ultimate Expert, either), there's this part about a "well regulated militia." That at least suggests that the originators believed in private gun ownership that was well regulated and overseen so it would be responsible.
What do I have wrong about that? It just seems so self-evident - that such a right (described as well-regulated) shall not be abridged. I don't have a problem with well-regulated gun-ownership. I prefer it.
BTW - phone activists from the NRA have been trying to call our house and talk to my husband for a couple of weeks now. I've answered the phone every time. Finally, one of them decided to stay on the line and talk to me. She asked if I would listen to a message from Wayne LaPierre. I did - I wanted to hear the message.
AMAZING!!!!! What was played for me was about two minutes of the most ridiculous, paranoid, unhinged, shrill, shrieking hysteria I think I've ever heard outside the ramblings of michele bachmann. UNBELIEVABLE! Basically it boiled down to two breathless, screeching minutes of "The UN!!!!! is CONSPIRING!!!!! with HILLARY CLINTON!!!!! to TAYKE AHR GUHNNNNNZZZZ!!!!"
Oh for the love of GOD!!!! I was absolutely gobsmacked! What. The. Fuck!?!?!?!?!??!? What The Fucking Damn Hellzapoppin' Fuck???
A different voice came back on the line after the message - that had left me gazing wild-eyed and mouth agape at my phone in utter disbelief at what I'd just heard. They asked if I'd listened to the message. I said yes. They asked what I thought. And I began to say that I thought it was absolutely ridiculous and that I believe in the U.N. and I have GREAT faith in and admiration for Hillary Clinton and ...
And they hung up on me.
Help me understand the mentality here. Because I DO see an awful lot of "Deliverance" every time some gun advocate pipes up. ESPECIALLY after this rather astounding and troublesome encounter.
Because what I was about to say before they hung up on me was - "what bothers me most is the thought that someone who sounds this deranged should be allowed to own ANY kind of firearm at all." It shook me up so much that, by now, my attitude is changing to - "I hope TO GOD somebody DOES take away YER GUHNNNNZZZZ!!!! Whether it's the UN or Hillary Clinton or Captain Kangaroo!!! For the sake of the safety and sanity of all the rest of us!"
So as I just said - please help me understand this better. You've gotta know that there's a huge element of people purportedly on your side of this argument who do NOT represent it, or you, well at all.
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I think I'm beginning to understand why many anti-gunners hate all gun owners... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 07:55 PM |
#0 |

Good post. I don't hate gun owners - I just don't understand them. |
NRaleighLiberal |
Oct-15-09 07:59 PM |
#1 |
 
If I had never owned firearms and never learned the enjoyment of target shooting... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 09:19 PM |
#18 |
 
Very confusing |
OttavaKarhu |
Oct-17-09 03:46 AM |
#45 |

You owe me a new keyboard |
TheCowsCameHome |
Oct-15-09 08:00 PM |
#2 |

grew up with guns have guns in safe at home right now |
Fresh_Start |
Oct-15-09 08:02 PM |
#3 |
 
There are those who favor confiscating all firearms... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 09:37 PM |
#21 |

voices in your head? |
iverglas |
Oct-16-09 06:33 PM |
#40 |

You're only here because we fascinate you |
OttavaKarhu |
Oct-17-09 03:47 AM |
#46 |
 
oh look |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 01:21 PM |
#53 |

Where do I sign up! |
NewMoonTherian |
Oct-25-09 12:19 PM |
#87 |

do you EVER get tired of |
backwoodsbob |
Oct-17-09 08:42 PM |
#68 |

Thanks for your post, Spin. You said everything I'd say, but you said it better than I could! nt |
Mist |
Oct-15-09 08:03 PM |
#4 |

so the states with the highest rates of suicide are where again? |
xchrom |
Oct-15-09 08:03 PM |
#5 |
 
Availability of firearms has no bearing on suicides |
Jeramy |
Oct-15-09 08:41 PM |
#11 |
 
Suicide is always tragic, but there are many means to commit suicide... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 09:28 PM |
#20 |
 
I can tell you where the countries with the highest suicide rates are |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-09 05:10 AM |
#29 |
 
People with guns are free(er). |
gorfle |
Oct-16-09 05:52 PM |
#38 |
 
States where they don't want to be alive |
Blu_Statr |
Oct-22-09 12:46 AM |
#85 |
 
So, you are at war with perhaps a third of the nation? |
SteveM |
Oct-25-09 12:00 PM |
#86 |

I'm not anti-gun but I find many gun enthusiasts to be as annoying as Ron Paul supporters |
Hello_Kitty |
Oct-15-09 08:05 PM |
#6 |
 
You paint with a very broad brush. Just sayin'... n/t |
PavePusher |
Oct-15-09 08:33 PM |
#10 |

Just callin' it like I see it. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Oct-15-09 09:00 PM |
#16 |

You need your vision adjusted |
OttavaKarhu |
Oct-17-09 04:01 AM |
#48 |

I don't hate guns or gun owners |
Chemisse |
Oct-15-09 08:18 PM |
#7 |
 
These are the types of gun control laws we need to work on... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 08:26 PM |
#8 |
 
Waiting periods serve no useful purpose. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 04:29 PM |
#33 |

One big advantage of a concealed carry permit in Florida... |
spin |
Oct-17-09 01:06 PM |
#52 |

and meanwhile |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 03:24 PM |
#64 |
 
Did I say I was buying new handguns? |
spin |
Oct-17-09 05:22 PM |
#65 |

In Texas, nobody has to wait. And CHL holders don't have to do an NICS check. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-17-09 08:56 PM |
#69 |
 
hurray |
iverglas |
Oct-18-09 12:27 PM |
#70 |

Thank you for the cheer. We do have greater freedom regarding guns in Texas. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-18-09 12:42 PM |
#74 |

well hey |
iverglas |
Oct-18-09 01:38 PM |
#75 |

What does one have to do with the other? |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-18-09 02:38 PM |
#76 |

the transport laws here n NC are very vague. how do ya separate weapon and ammo in a hatch back.? i |
sam sarrha |
Oct-20-09 10:31 PM |
#82 |

I do have a question. Sincerely and no harm meant here! |
calimary |
Oct-15-09 08:31 PM |
#9 |
 
The supreme courd doesn't agree with your interpretation of the second amendment. |
Tim01 |
Oct-15-09 08:57 PM |
#14 |
 
Three things.. |
X_Digger |
Oct-15-09 09:07 PM |
#17 |
  
Thank you for that |
chibajoe |
Oct-20-09 09:27 AM |
#80 |
 
Happy to help- I need to bookmark it so that I can refer to it again! n/t |
X_Digger |
Oct-20-09 10:55 PM |
#83 |
 
No, that was not the intention. |
Jeramy |
Oct-15-09 09:26 PM |
#19 |
 
While I won't be able to give as excellent a response as Digger I do have .02 to add. |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-09 10:21 PM |
#24 |
 
First, don't EVER answer a phone call from the NRA... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 10:34 PM |
#25 |
 
So only those whom who agree with politically have rights? N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 04:33 PM |
#34 |
 
On militias. |
gorfle |
Oct-16-09 06:37 PM |
#41 |
 
"No harm meant"? "Sincere"? |
OttavaKarhu |
Oct-17-09 04:16 AM |
#49 |

Wow. Awesome. |
PavePusher |
Oct-17-09 12:41 PM |
#51 |

love the patronizing, uh, hypocrisy |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 01:28 PM |
#55 |
 
Someone has to be first. Why not "us"? n/t |
PavePusher |
Oct-17-09 01:42 PM |
#57 |

stopped beating your dog? |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 02:09 PM |
#58 |

Great post and very good advise. |
spin |
Oct-17-09 02:13 PM |
#59 |
 
really? |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 02:27 PM |
#61 |
  
"Ever read The Beans of Egypt, Maine?". Here's part of an 'interview' with the author: |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-17-09 05:46 PM |
#66 |
   
fascinating |
iverglas |
Oct-18-09 12:29 PM |
#71 |
  
And the "Law Of Association" is invoked |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-18-09 05:05 PM |
#79 |
  
If you noticed, in the OP that started this thread... |
spin |
Oct-17-09 08:15 PM |
#67 |
 
yeah, I did |
iverglas |
Oct-18-09 12:31 PM |
#72 |
 
Yep, I hear you. I grew up in Gainesville (Class o' 70) and hunted... |
SteveM |
Oct-25-09 12:26 PM |
#88 |

oh, and btw |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 02:13 PM |
#60 |

Your equation of gun CONTROL with gun CONFISCATION puts you smack dab in that unphotogenic camp you |
katandmoon |
Oct-15-09 08:54 PM |
#12 |
 
Yay! katandmoon is here. I so enjoy talking to her. |
Tim01 |
Oct-15-09 08:59 PM |
#15 |
 
You feel that I feel superior to those who favor draconian gun control... |
spin |
Oct-16-09 12:10 PM |
#30 |

Don't forget one big reason that many are anti-gun |
customerserviceguy |
Oct-15-09 08:56 PM |
#13 |
 
A good point... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 10:48 PM |
#26 |

i owned guns,never hunted,and my father in law hunted all his life |
madrchsod |
Oct-15-09 10:02 PM |
#22 |
 
Either a gun safe, or on your body. Can't get much safer than that. |
Jeramy |
Oct-15-09 10:08 PM |
#23 |
  
Wecome to DU. (n/t) |
spin |
Oct-15-09 10:58 PM |
#28 |
 
Well laws such as the assault weapons ban will not... |
spin |
Oct-15-09 10:53 PM |
#27 |

I will never understand why people go to such lengths to post |
iverglas |
Oct-16-09 01:08 PM |
#31 |
 
Good to see you back, hope everything went well... |
spin |
Oct-16-09 02:01 PM |
#32 |
 
Many of the non-owners are married to a firearms owner. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 04:41 PM |
#35 |

so? |
iverglas |
Oct-16-09 04:58 PM |
#36 |

That does not mean that it is over the woman's objection that the man owns guns. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 05:29 PM |
#37 |

and that does not mean that I said it was |
iverglas |
Oct-16-09 06:30 PM |
#39 |
 
Did I say that you said it was? |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-16-09 09:20 PM |
#42 |

so ... you said it because ... |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 01:30 PM |
#56 |

I said it because I felt it should be pointed out. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-17-09 03:15 PM |
#62 |

to me? |
iverglas |
Oct-18-09 12:32 PM |
#73 |

To whomever it may concern. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-18-09 02:40 PM |
#77 |

Paperwork names ain't simple |
OttavaKarhu |
Oct-17-09 03:59 AM |
#47 |
 
awwww, look |
iverglas |
Oct-17-09 01:23 PM |
#54 |

I don't think that qualifies as a straw purchase. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-17-09 03:24 PM |
#63 |

That's not a straw purchase. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-21-09 01:34 PM |
#84 |

When I was married... |
spin |
Oct-17-09 12:22 PM |
#50 |

I have a similar-looking Ruger Police Service Six in .357... |
SteveM |
Oct-25-09 12:45 PM |
#89 |

What about the good old fashion way ? |
Katya Mullethov |
Oct-16-09 09:37 PM |
#43 |

I just don't get all these rightwing gun nuts |
JonQ |
Oct-16-09 10:11 PM |
#44 |

Where did that photo of Charles Bronson come from? |
Retired AF Dem |
Oct-18-09 02:51 PM |
#78 |

i picked up a Bretta Tomcat 32apc at the Gun Show to keep my 92fs Inox company, i was really very |
sam sarrha |
Oct-20-09 09:58 PM |
#81 |