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Fri Oct-09-09 04:45 PM
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| 6. They sure loved their guns! |
| -Cops: Husband shot soccer mom as she chatted on webcam |
RamboLiberal |
Oct-09-09 04:37 PM |
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Wow. |
cliffordu |
Oct-09-09 04:40 PM |
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Are the reports that the husband was a law enforcement officer true? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 04:40 PM |
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Prison guard or was a prison guard and now working security |
RamboLiberal |
Oct-09-09 04:45 PM |
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Someone said parole officer. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 04:50 PM |
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Maybe all these crazy gun people will "extinct" each other. nt |
valerief |
Oct-09-09 04:42 PM |
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Invariably "we" get caught up in their crossfire |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-09-09 04:44 PM |
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You got caught up in the "crossfire" of this particular incident? |
Euromutt |
Oct-10-09 06:40 PM |
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But, they just keep replicating. |
MissMarple |
Oct-09-09 04:56 PM |
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Not once they're dead. nt |
valerief |
Oct-09-09 05:01 PM |
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And why do they keep replicating? |
Retired AF Dem |
Oct-10-09 07:06 AM |
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Good reason. I can see the appeal. |
MissMarple |
Oct-10-09 03:00 PM |
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Except he "extinct"ed his wife. |
Shell Beau |
Oct-09-09 08:00 PM |
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Way to support domestic violence. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-10-09 08:31 AM |
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Live by the gun.... |
Cali_Democrat |
Oct-09-09 04:44 PM |
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still wont stop the crzies or the criminals, all it means is that everyone becomes prey |
vadawg |
Oct-09-09 04:45 PM |
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Guns are illegal in most industrialized countries |
Cali_Democrat |
Oct-09-09 04:48 PM |
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We have more NON-GUN homicides then most countries.... |
Statistical |
Oct-09-09 04:52 PM |
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We can still reduce overall murders if guns are banned IMO. n/t |
Cali_Democrat |
Oct-09-09 04:56 PM |
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No we can... to lower them we need so many changes in the general culture |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-09-09 05:00 PM |
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Until you provide the stats and the appropriate comparison that statement is squat. |
LiberalFighter |
Oct-09-09 05:19 PM |
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"PER CAPITA". Homicide rates are per capita. Look it up.n/t |
Statistical |
Oct-09-09 07:15 PM |
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Since you brought it up... you should bring it here. |
LiberalFighter |
Oct-09-09 08:21 PM |
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Here you go, as of 2005. |
smoogatz |
Oct-10-09 08:18 AM |
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Link please... |
ljm2002 |
Oct-09-09 05:48 PM |
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Stats are found here: |
Selatius |
Oct-10-09 08:14 AM |
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According to the DoJ: |
smoogatz |
Oct-10-09 08:20 AM |
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That was the point of Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" |
Canuckistanian |
Oct-09-09 08:48 PM |
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Thanks for noticing that that was his point. |
Greyhound |
Oct-10-09 04:54 AM |
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Life in many other industrialized counties... |
spin |
Oct-11-09 01:40 AM |
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and do you have any idea how easy it is to get a gun in a lot of these countries.. |
vadawg |
Oct-09-09 05:12 PM |
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Which is why their per-capita gun deaths are so much higher than ours |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:15 PM |
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nothing to do with that, all im saying is that if you ban guns, it isnt going to stop |
vadawg |
Oct-09-09 05:18 PM |
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but it will reduce the overall number of gun deaths n/t |
Cali_Democrat |
Oct-09-09 05:19 PM |
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All it would do in increase overall numbers of non gun deaths |
Retired AF Dem |
Oct-10-09 07:29 AM |
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Which in and of itself is meaningless. |
krispos42 |
Oct-10-09 03:59 PM |
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So you should expect countries that ban guns to have comparable gun death rates |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:19 PM |
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nope because they have different cultures from the US |
vadawg |
Oct-09-09 05:21 PM |
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So it seems one approach is to stop promoting gun violence in our culture. |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:28 PM |
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nope aint ever going to happen, the US is unique in its views on guns |
vadawg |
Oct-09-09 05:30 PM |
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We used to be unique in our views on African slaves. We changed. |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:32 PM |
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not at all, i think you will find everybody used africans as slaves from arabia, to the africans |
vadawg |
Oct-09-09 05:34 PM |
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Nobody said anything about taking everyone's guns |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:36 PM |
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Take all of the illegal guns off the street. I'm in 100% agreement. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 08:42 PM |
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They don't want to stop criminals. |
proteus_lives |
Oct-10-09 04:53 AM |
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Nope. Obvious strawman. |
smoogatz |
Oct-10-09 10:18 AM |
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Since you asked. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-10-09 11:57 PM |
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You honestly think our "view" on slavery was unique? Wow. |
Statistical |
Oct-09-09 07:17 PM |
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Certainly in the legal framework and in how it was supported. |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 11:30 PM |
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So there should be an artificial limit on the number of guns? |
krispos42 |
Oct-10-09 03:48 PM |
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Enacting policy that is supposed to reduce the number of guns in circulation... |
spin |
Oct-11-09 01:46 AM |
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The gun nuts hate Obama cause they know new gun bans are coming soon. nt |
cabluedem |
Oct-10-09 09:30 AM |
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They hate Obama because they're racist nutjobs. |
smoogatz |
Oct-10-09 12:11 PM |
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Might want to check the news.. |
X_Digger |
Oct-10-09 12:48 PM |
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It's not a new ban. |
smoogatz |
Oct-10-09 12:55 PM |
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Okay, okay, technically not new :P |
X_Digger |
Oct-10-09 01:02 PM |
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The assault weapons ban expired because it was useless... |
spin |
Oct-11-09 01:55 AM |
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Might Want To Check Your Wishful Thinking. |
Paladin |
Oct-10-09 12:57 PM |
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Not me.. |
X_Digger |
Oct-10-09 01:05 PM |
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Unlikely |
krispos42 |
Oct-10-09 03:46 PM |
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They have better social services |
krispos42 |
Oct-10-09 03:45 PM |
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No thanks. |
proteus_lives |
Oct-10-09 04:47 AM |
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At this point, getting rid of the 2nd Amendment may actually provoke a violent civil war. nt |
Selatius |
Oct-10-09 07:41 AM |
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Sadly that is quite possible... |
spin |
Oct-11-09 02:05 AM |
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They sure loved their guns! |
The_Casual_Observer |
Oct-09-09 04:45 PM |
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Fully loaded handgun in her backpack on the front door |
charlie |
Oct-09-09 04:45 PM |
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Well that was her mistake, she should have had it in one hand while she typed with the other. |
grytpype |
Oct-09-09 04:47 PM |
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And where were the kids? Why weren't they packing heat? |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 04:49 PM |
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I've never seen anyone besides you call for arming children. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 04:57 PM |
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Not true. I've seen several people suggest you should be allowed to carry. |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:05 PM |
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Do you have any links to prove your point? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:37 PM |
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No kidding. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-09-09 04:56 PM |
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Exactly what I was thinking. nt |
Jeep789 |
Oct-09-09 05:24 PM |
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Another blow for on-line romance while living with your spouse |
jeffbr |
Oct-09-09 04:46 PM |
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You have a point there. |
Tigress DEM |
Oct-10-09 12:42 PM |
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I guarantee you, if Melanie had managed to shoot first, the gungeon would be celebrating her today. |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 04:46 PM |
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Instead you are here rejoicing in her death so you can get on your soapbox. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 04:53 PM |
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Wow, the pot calling the kettle a pot |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:03 PM |
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Holy Geronimo Christ |
charlie |
Oct-09-09 05:38 PM |
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It's just an inability to process complex thoughts. You and jgraz may develop it one day. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:44 PM |
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I hope we never develop your inability to process complex thoughts. |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 07:57 PM |
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That one is priceless. I appreciate the support. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:59 PM |
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Hi Dave! |
Zix |
Oct-10-09 06:05 AM |
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Imagine the joy in pissing both of you off that badly. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:31 PM |
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I can't imagine your joy at using rape victims for your schoolyard taunts |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 07:58 PM |
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The joy comes from your irrational anger. I do take some joy when women shoot men attempting rape. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:59 PM |
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I'm sure it's all part of your rich fantasy life. |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 10:43 PM |
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I see your reading still needs work. Try hooked on phonics. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-10-09 12:23 AM |
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I think most people would agree that having one person dead would be better than two |
slackmaster |
Oct-09-09 04:53 PM |
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And the option of having no people dead didn't occur to you? |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:04 PM |
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The problem is it didn't occur to her husband. Once again the important things escape you. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:46 PM |
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Her husband took away that option when he decided to murder her |
slackmaster |
Oct-09-09 08:51 PM |
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Ugh. The scary part of this |
LisaM |
Oct-09-09 04:48 PM |
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I am really a very sensitve, caring person......... |
Sukie |
Oct-09-09 04:49 PM |
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You can't muster up compassion for a woman murdered by an abusive husband? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 04:54 PM |
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Excuse me? Why do people on this board react to another |
Sukie |
Oct-09-09 05:02 PM |
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Because you're threatening his Second Amendment binky |
jgraz |
Oct-09-09 05:06 PM |
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Reading is fundamental. There are reading classes for adult learners, most are free. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-10-09 12:30 AM |
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I'm just expressing my opinion about your lack of compassion for an abused, murdered woman. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:35 PM |
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She was proud of bringing a loaded gun to a kids' game |
lolly |
Oct-09-09 05:06 PM |
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That's really funny. Thanks for the laugh. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:37 PM |
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too bad she didn't have her gun |
noiretextatique |
Oct-09-09 04:49 PM |
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I obviously worked out far better for her, that she was unarmed. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 04:56 PM |
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even if she had a gun, her ending might have been the same |
noiretextatique |
Oct-09-09 06:20 PM |
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So things would be better or no different. Makes sense to me. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:32 PM |
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But she was armed |
lolly |
Oct-09-09 07:17 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:34 PM |
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My sympathies are with the children left behind |
Zomby Woof |
Oct-09-09 04:55 PM |
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+1 |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-09-09 05:43 PM |
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Did she carry a gun because she was afraid of her spouse? nt |
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet |
Oct-09-09 05:31 PM |
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She filed for divorce, but still lived in the same house. |
Ikonoklast |
Oct-09-09 05:47 PM |
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Wanted the house perhaps? Very Sad from all angles RE: |
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet |
Oct-09-09 05:57 PM |
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not when her loaded gun was in her backpack hanging on the front door |
TorchTheWitch |
Oct-09-09 06:39 PM |
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Your explanation is clearly the only logical one. LOL. You guys are really funny tonight. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 07:42 PM |
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Oct-09-09 08:31 PM |
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She open carried at her kids soccer games. Was she afraid of the kids? n/t |
JTFrog |
Oct-10-09 06:15 AM |
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He's dead. She's dead. They worshipped guns. Their god took them. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-09-09 05:43 PM |
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Yep. |
lolly |
Oct-09-09 07:20 PM |
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Your title is despicable. The rest of it is quite funny though. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-09-09 08:01 PM |
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Your penchant for insulting hyperbole is despicable. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-10-09 04:34 AM |
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Perhaps it's despicable to someone who worships guns |
MajorChode |
Oct-10-09 04:58 AM |
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A gun is a tool to be used if it becomes necessary to do so. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-10-09 05:57 AM |
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Exactly when did I mock anyone's death? |
MajorChode |
Oct-10-09 07:18 AM |
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Maybe a better way of putting it would have been "You are making a mockery of their deaths"... |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-10-09 07:34 AM |
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Maybe a better way of putting it would have been "You made a mistake and now you won't admit it" |
MajorChode |
Oct-10-09 12:54 PM |
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I dont need to pretend. The comments you made prove my point. |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-10-09 06:32 PM |
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It's really the callousness about the murder of an abused woman that's despicable. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-10-09 11:45 AM |
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Trivializing the suffering of rape victims |
smoogatz |
Oct-10-09 12:25 PM |
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As if I did that. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-10-09 12:34 PM |
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Oct-10-09 12:42 PM |
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Time to send up the flag |
MajorChode |
Oct-10-09 02:04 PM |
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I care about the women being abused. Feel free to go the other way on it and defend the abusers. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-10-09 02:08 PM |
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Right... |
MajorChode |
Oct-10-09 03:43 PM |
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No, because whether this killing happened with a gun, knife or club, she would be just as dead |
aikoaiko |
Oct-10-09 08:38 AM |
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How does a single incident confirm a hypothesis? |
Euromutt |
Oct-11-09 06:32 AM |
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I can't be smug about this. What a horrible tragedy for them, their kids, their family... |
Bucky |
Oct-09-09 07:24 PM |
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Yep. All of that. |
Shell Beau |
Oct-09-09 08:07 PM |
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+1 This is a horrible tragedy. These kids lost both parents... |
armyowalgreens |
Oct-10-09 04:42 AM |
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Oct-10-09 04:51 AM |
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Can't argue with that. n/t |
Greyhound |
Oct-10-09 04:59 AM |
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+1. i kept seeing thread coming up. couldnt understand what there was so much to talk about |
seabeyond |
Oct-10-09 06:39 AM |
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Oct-10-09 09:37 AM |
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This lady had been |
H2O Man |
Oct-10-09 09:22 AM |
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That's cold |
slackmaster |
Oct-10-09 09:49 AM |
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U of Penn study shows gun owners 4.5 times more likely to be shot |
smoogatz |
Oct-10-09 12:31 PM |
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It actually shows that criminals engaging in criminal activity with guns are more likely to be shot. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-10-09 01:13 PM |
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Except it doesn't say that.. |
X_Digger |
Oct-10-09 01:24 PM |
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To which I will add the point I've made in the pre-existing two threads about this study |
Euromutt |
Oct-11-09 06:57 AM |
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And their kids are about a Brazilian more times at risk than otherwise.. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-10-09 01:32 PM |
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One incident is correlation? |
Euromutt |
Oct-11-09 06:38 AM |
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Another reason to ban guns |
ajax24550 |
Oct-10-09 04:30 PM |
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