OneTenthofOnePercent
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Tue Oct-06-09 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #74 |
| 81. Elective reporting of victimization seems to be the status quo. |
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Edited on Tue Oct-06-09 02:38 PM by OneTenthofOnePercent
To answer your question first, many different crimes have no requirement to report the theft to police.
This does not mean the the law veiws all such crimes as equivalent.
Nor does it mean that opponents of legislation requiring mandatory crime reports veiws any crimes as equivalent
In fact, I would consider it the status qou that victims of crime aren't necessarily legally bound to report such a crime.
Your question has been answered. Here's a few for you:
Would you consider a gun thief or a rapist a greater criminal threat? You seem to already acknowlege they are not "equal crimes"... I'm merely questioning your opinion of the inequality. Which is worse?
If you feel there should be different reporting requirements for these victims of different crimes... then which crime scenario (rape or gun theft) should require stiffer penalties for reporting negligence ans well as the shorter reporting period? (ie: Should rape victims be fined more heavily and only have 24 hours to report or should gun theft victims have the heavier burden of reporting with more haste?)
What other victims of other types ofcrime would you suggest punishing for not coming forward and reporting they were... well, victims?
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| -Rape victims required to report rape within 48 hours or face charges. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 10:57 PM |
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that is fucked up |
DaveinMD |
Oct-05-09 10:59 PM |
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I'm quite aware of it. Thanks. Just wanted to see if people are consistent in their beliefs. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:02 PM |
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Kinda puts a different light on things. |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-05-09 11:03 PM |
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I'm guessing I'll be roundly criticized, as if I care. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:07 PM |
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Oh yeah. Better have a double layer flame suit on. |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-05-09 11:14 PM |
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I'm used to the heat. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:19 PM |
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link please................n/t |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Oct-05-09 11:04 PM |
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There is no link. There is no proposed law about reporting rape just gun theft. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:06 PM |
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interesting analogy. n/t |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Oct-05-09 11:09 PM |
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I was hoping it would evoke an emotional response. What do you think? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:10 PM |
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I think I need to think about it. Off the top of my head, my first thought |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Oct-05-09 11:13 PM |
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Seems fair |
JonQ |
Oct-05-09 11:08 PM |
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and just what penalties do you propose for the police and DA's who refuse to believe the victim, |
niyad |
Oct-05-09 11:14 PM |
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Thanks for your concern. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:18 PM |
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I notice you didn't answer my question about penalties for the police and DA's-- but then, |
niyad |
Oct-05-09 11:35 PM |
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Since there isn't such a law proposed I didn't think it required an answer. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:38 PM |
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you were the one who postulated such a law--I was merely asking about some of the attendant |
niyad |
Oct-05-09 11:56 PM |
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Justing pointing out the absurdity of blaming victims of crime. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-06-09 12:08 AM |
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That should probably be posed in a separate thread. Guess you could start one. . . |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-05-09 11:39 PM |
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why? the question was directly related to this thread. |
niyad |
Oct-05-09 11:54 PM |
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In my opinion it was not. It strayed and deflected from the OP. So in my |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-06-09 12:24 AM |
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soooo ~ you are equating rape and gun theft??? |
KarenS |
Oct-05-09 11:20 PM |
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Too much? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:22 PM |
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I think a rapist on the loose and a person with a stolen firearm both constitute major threats |
slackmaster |
Oct-06-09 11:20 AM |
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Your overwhelming need to play the victim has put you over the edge |
jgraz |
Oct-05-09 11:24 PM |
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Oct-05-09 11:39 PM |
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And yet you've somehow managed to slide under all of our low expectations for you. |
jgraz |
Oct-05-09 11:44 PM |
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I'm happy for potential rape victims to shoot their attackers. I know you don't feel the same. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:47 PM |
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Are you sure you don't mean gun theft victims? I know you can't tell the difference. |
jgraz |
Oct-05-09 11:51 PM |
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I'm fine with gun theft victims shooting the thieves also. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:52 PM |
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Are you sure you don't mean rape victims? I know you can't tell the difference. |
jgraz |
Oct-05-09 11:55 PM |
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You are still having trouble with complex thought and reading I see. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-06-09 12:08 AM |
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I can't help noticing you're not arguing your position |
Euromutt |
Oct-06-09 01:49 AM |
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Do you even know what an argument is? |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 10:06 AM |
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I notice you're avoiding the points made |
Euromutt |
Oct-06-09 03:46 PM |
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What if you know who stole it and what pawn shop they sold it to? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-06-09 11:21 AM |
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Having your gun stolen is not the same thing as |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 02:14 AM |
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If your gun is stolen and you don't report it, you've just handed a criminal a weapon |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 10:03 AM |
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No, if your gun is stolen and you don't report it, your gun has been stolen. |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 10:25 AM |
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I thought we had "responsible" gun owners on this board |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 10:47 AM |
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I would settle for "responsible" posters... |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 11:08 AM |
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I notice you avoid the part where I actually show you the depravity of your argument. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:06 PM |
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That part took place in your alternate universe, jgraz... |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 01:28 PM |
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I find this post inconsistant... |
krispos42 |
Oct-06-09 01:41 PM |
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You response makes no sense. How am I saying it's simple property theft? |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:51 PM |
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lol, you know Dave. If DU kept numbers on unrecomend I think you'd set a record. |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-05-09 11:27 PM |
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Just call me Mister Unpopular. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-05-09 11:36 PM |
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Hell, I'll cancel out one unrecommend. (n/t) |
spin |
Oct-05-09 11:37 PM |
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Me too but . . . |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-05-09 11:38 PM |
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It's at +1 now |
slackmaster |
Oct-06-09 11:21 AM |
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Me three. K&R |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-06-09 12:11 PM |
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Actually there are lots of crimes it's a crime to not report. |
smoogatz |
Oct-06-09 03:09 PM |
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Oh. Great idea. |
ezgoingrl |
Oct-06-09 12:18 AM |
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I agree, it is asinine to punish crime victims. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-06-09 12:21 AM |
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If you don't report a stolen gun, you're not a victim, you're an accomplice |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 10:14 AM |
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What about a car? |
JonQ |
Oct-06-09 10:27 AM |
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Oh come on. Cars and medication are not designed to be weapons. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 10:53 AM |
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Ah you're right |
JonQ |
Oct-06-09 10:59 AM |
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You'd better ice your groin after those stretches |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 11:05 AM |
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Oct-06-09 11:16 AM |
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Your childishness just shows how weak your arguments are. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 12:56 PM |
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IOW you can't refute the argument |
Treo |
Oct-06-09 01:07 PM |
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Another WHO ME? post |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:11 PM |
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4 posts out of a thousand? |
Treo |
Oct-06-09 01:22 PM |
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You need to check your facts |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:45 PM |
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I see no "mistake" |
Treo |
Oct-06-09 01:58 PM |
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Of course you don't. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 03:24 PM |
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I ask again |
Treo |
Oct-06-09 03:43 PM |
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Like I said, admit your error and we'll have a discussion. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 03:44 PM |
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I think you're really missing the point most of us are getting at |
JonQ |
Oct-06-09 03:10 PM |
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I get your point. The problem is that it's inconsistent with other pro-gun points |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 03:33 PM |
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Stop repeating that BS |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 11:39 AM |
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Yeah, that's really different. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:00 PM |
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No, stealing 10^36 pennies would cause much more misery |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 01:24 PM |
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OK, so you just demonstrated how irrelevant and ridiculous your analogy is |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:53 PM |
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Elective reporting of victimization seems to be the status quo. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Oct-06-09 02:34 PM |
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Nonetheless, you're an accomplice after the fact to the thief, aren't you? |
krispos42 |
Oct-06-09 01:44 PM |
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You're making my argument for me. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:59 PM |
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So then shouldn't it apply to the victim of every crime? |
JonQ |
Oct-06-09 03:10 PM |
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But guns are special, are they not? |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 03:20 PM |
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Indeed guns are special |
JonQ |
Oct-06-09 03:38 PM |
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You're not addressing the central point. |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 03:46 PM |
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Please don't be intentionally obtuse. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Oct-06-09 04:05 PM |
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You should learn how to follow a thread before you call other people morons |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 04:11 PM |
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I want them to be treated as rights |
JonQ |
Oct-06-09 04:10 PM |
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How does a 48-hour reporting requirement impinge on your (alleged) RKBA? |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 04:18 PM |
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This is one of my favorite sophistries... |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 03:55 PM |
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One of your favorite sophistries is using incredibly ridiculous strawmen? |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 04:03 PM |
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According to Paulsby |
Treo |
Oct-06-09 02:04 PM |
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What if you know who stole it and what pawn shop they sold it to? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-06-09 11:20 AM |
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And what if the gun fairy came down and found your gun and brought you some candy? |
jgraz |
Oct-06-09 01:12 PM |
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That's not fair, jgraz. Use standard American English. |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 01:55 PM |
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Welcome to reality |
Treo |
Oct-06-09 02:09 PM |
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Impossible, Dave |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 01:59 PM |
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Ahy Nay!!!! |
dashrif |
Oct-06-09 12:23 AM |
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Rape is over the top, but I get the point |
Taitertots |
Oct-06-09 12:42 AM |
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Excellent use of Reductio Ad Absurdum, Dave! |
slackmaster |
Oct-06-09 11:48 AM |
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Where you going with this, Dave? |
rd_kent |
Oct-06-09 12:47 PM |
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See the thread about making it a crime to not report stolen friearms. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Oct-06-09 01:08 PM |
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You've committed the fallacy of drawing a weak analogy. |
smoogatz |
Oct-06-09 03:13 PM |
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You understand, of course, that your own analogy is open to crisicism |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 03:23 PM |
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Guns don't kill people, tigers kill people? |
smoogatz |
Oct-06-09 03:30 PM |
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No analogy is perfect |
TPaine7 |
Oct-06-09 04:06 PM |
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Locking |
Wickerman |
Oct-06-09 04:19 PM |
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