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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:10 AM
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32. If someone's in the middle of committing a crime, giving them the benefit of the doubt is impossible
That's why when the police corner a criminal with a gun, if it looks like he's making a move, they'll take the shot. It doesn't matter if he did something deserving of death or not. That's why we have self defense laws that are predicated on the threat of bodily harm, rather than it's knowledge, because there are times when judgements are impossible to make.

Now if some kid from the city whose mother works 60 hours a week to feed him decides that purse snatching is an easy way to make some pocket change, and gets the shit scared out of him by a middle aged woman with a gun, all the better should he decide that it's not the life for him. I wish more people in that position did. But the very same desperation that makes somebody start grabbing purses, or selling crack, can lead them to do stupider things as well--like knifing somebody to death over the $100 in their wallet.

Either way, it's a tragedy. I don't think anyone grows up wanting to be a purse snatcher, or a drug dealer, and the fact that they're in that situation--either from desperation or the lack of proper guidence--is a failure of our society. But if we're going to be rolling the dice when it comes to crime, I'd always rather the would-be victim come out on top. Whatever you can say about the attacker's chances for redemption, the victim did absolutely NOTHING to merit the chance of dying.
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  -Detroit woman kills alleged purse snatcher Fire_Medic_Dave  Sep-28-09 09:24 PM   #0 
  - Good for her! n/t  bbinacan   Sep-28-09 09:26 PM   #1 
  - That's the neighborhood where I grew up!  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Sep-28-09 09:27 PM   #2 
  - Sometime crime really doesn't pay - the chosen victim can turn the tables  stray cat   Sep-28-09 09:30 PM   #3 
  - Well, my goodness, aren't you thrilled, another shooting!  katandmoon   Sep-28-09 09:33 PM   #4 
  - Actually I'm always saddened when people choose a life of crime that ends their life prematurely.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 09:47 PM   #11 
  - I know it just ruins your day that the robbery was unsuccessful.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 09:52 PM   #13 
  - Always sad when the criminals lose, huh? nt  Tim01   Sep-28-09 10:46 PM   #18 
  - Hell, you don't even like it when *nobody* gets shot. For example:  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-29-09 01:14 AM   #34 
  - I'm thrilled that a thug won't be attacking any more women, yeah.  triple point   Sep-29-09 12:56 PM   #41 
  - Well, my goodness, aren't you disappointed, another person defending themselves!  proteus_lives   Sep-29-09 02:56 PM   #44 
  - I just LOVE how you hit-and-run with your asinine comments.  rd_kent   Sep-29-09 10:18 PM   #50 
  - Mixed feelings on this one.  crim son   Sep-28-09 09:35 PM   #5 
  - I could see the perceived threat level being exceedingly high  stray cat   Sep-28-09 09:37 PM   #6 
  - Or perhaps they were threatening deadly force...  PavePusher   Sep-28-09 09:42 PM   #8 
  - Like I said, I have mixed feelings but  crim son   Sep-28-09 10:08 PM   #15 
  - A woman where my folks live was killed in a purse snatching.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 11:00 PM   #20 
  - robbery is a crime against person, not against property  paulsby   Sep-28-09 11:18 PM   #22 
  - If that's the case then she must have had the right to do what she did,  crim son   Sep-28-09 11:23 PM   #24 
  - not necessarily  paulsby   Sep-28-09 11:28 PM   #25 
  - Sure, and that justifies use of countervailing force...  Euromutt   Sep-29-09 03:32 AM   #35 
     - i didn't say it did  paulsby   Sep-29-09 05:10 AM   #37 
     - so if someone rapes you - you still can't use lethal force unless threatened with death  stray cat   Sep-29-09 07:17 AM   #39 
        - Rape involves a threat to life or limb  Euromutt   Sep-29-09 02:22 PM   #43 
           - ANd when someone threatens your life for your purse, its not the same thing?  rd_kent   Sep-29-09 10:20 PM   #52 
  - Who said it was just gonna be a robbery?  John Williams   Sep-28-09 11:35 PM   #27 
  - There are elements in the article that lead me to think the term "purse snatcher" is inappropriate  Euromutt   Sep-29-09 03:40 AM   #36 
  - Purse snatcher did not seem an appropriate term and they may have run because of the gun  stray cat   Sep-29-09 07:14 AM   #38 
  - I have no sympathy.  gorfle   Sep-29-09 04:25 PM   #47 
  - Always basing your opinion on the value of what was being stolen.  rd_kent   Sep-29-09 10:19 PM   #51 
  - So she shot and killed him while he was running away?  panader0   Sep-28-09 09:38 PM   #7 
  - Reading comprehension is key.  PavePusher   Sep-28-09 09:44 PM   #9 
  - You are correct. I saw "as they fled"  panader0   Sep-28-09 09:52 PM   #12 
     - Oops, O.K. My apologies for the hostile tone.  PavePusher   Sep-28-09 10:24 PM   #16 
  - Not according to that article.  ManiacJoe   Sep-28-09 09:46 PM   #10 
     - News papers screw up more than a bono chimp on his back.  safeinOhio   Sep-28-09 09:59 PM   #14 
        - You think this is going to trial?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 10:26 PM   #17 
           - May, may not. Don't have the facts, only newspaper account.  safeinOhio   Sep-29-09 09:41 AM   #40 
  - Fuck thieves  slackmaster   Sep-28-09 10:54 PM   #19 
  - Guess that lowdown sidewinder got his just desserts, haw haw haw.  Jim Sagle   Sep-28-09 11:12 PM   #21 
  - It certainly shouldn't have been unexpected.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 11:22 PM   #23 
  - And his partner learns a valuable lesson.  jgraz   Sep-28-09 11:30 PM   #26 
  - Or maybe he'll turn over a new leaf and stop victimizing honest citizens.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 11:43 PM   #28 
  - And maybe rainbows and puppies will fly out of my ass  jgraz   Sep-28-09 11:47 PM   #30 
     - I think prison will be more than one little lesson.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-28-09 11:54 PM   #31 
     - If someone's in the middle of committing a crime, giving them the benefit of the doubt is impossible  TheWraith   Sep-29-09 12:10 AM   #32 
     - I see your stock in trade has been reduced to insults and personal slurs  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-29-09 12:50 AM   #33 
     - Why do you have such a problem with innocent people defending themselves?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-30-09 12:42 PM   #53 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-28-09 11:44 PM   #29 
  - So the woman should have let herself be robbed?  proteus_lives   Sep-29-09 02:58 PM   #45 
  - Excellent  JonQ   Sep-29-09 01:00 PM   #42 
  - Good for her!  proteus_lives   Sep-29-09 02:59 PM   #46 
  - The only *good* robber, rapist or thug  The Green Manalishi   Sep-29-09 04:41 PM   #48 
  - According to this report he threatened to shoot her  RamboLiberal   Sep-29-09 05:56 PM   #49 
  - Kick.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-07-09 07:31 PM   #54 
  - Purse stealing is not worth your life. Don't do it.  Hoopla Phil   Nov-07-09 09:09 PM   #55 
 

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