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157. Neither "keep" nor "bear" equals "discharge"
Not even the most hardcore 2nd Amendment fundamentalist is going to assert that you have the right to discharge a firearm, from any location you like, in any direction you like.

Here's a helpful hint: satire only works when it bears some relation to the opinion you're trying to mock. Otherwise, you're just some twat who thinks he's way smarter than he actually is.
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  -Vacaville toddler fatally shot by boy playing with gun stevedeshazer  Sep-23-09 08:48 PM   #0 
  - Generally because they're inattentive parents.  TheWraith   Sep-23-09 08:51 PM   #1 
  - Or not having a gun in a house with children.  aquart   Sep-23-09 09:09 PM   #4 
     - It is a crime to leave a weapon unsecured.  Pavulon   Sep-23-09 09:14 PM   #5 
     - depends on the state  paulsby   Sep-24-09 02:20 AM   #72 
     - What about with small kids around?  TheWraith   Sep-24-09 02:36 AM   #75 
     - no, it's not  paulsby   Sep-24-09 04:25 AM   #88 
        - And I'm a SCORPIO in Texas....  WriteDown   Sep-24-09 09:35 AM   #98 
        - Perhaps not where you live.  TheWraith   Sep-24-09 03:08 PM   #116 
           - that;s why these statements are so silly  paulsby   Sep-24-09 03:32 PM   #118 
     - not illegal. Just fucking stupid  CBGLuthier   Sep-24-09 06:48 AM   #89 
     - no, i argue facts  paulsby   Sep-24-09 06:58 AM   #90 
     - It is illegal in California, but you can't be prosecuted unless someone is injured or killed  slackmaster   Sep-24-09 12:46 PM   #110 
     - Vacaville's in California  Euromutt   Sep-24-09 11:53 PM   #140 
     - In California it's a felony to leave a loaded weapon accessible to a child, if it's used by the kid  Xithras   Sep-24-09 12:39 PM   #108 
     - Reading is fundamental.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-23-09 09:39 PM   #9 
     - Blame Drano? Did you even read what I said?  TheWraith   Sep-23-09 11:44 PM   #34 
     - geting rid of bathtubs will save more kids  paulsby   Sep-24-09 02:20 AM   #73 
  - God almighty,what's the matter with some people?  virgogal   Sep-23-09 08:51 PM   #2 
  - My pop was in the military  abelenkpe2   Sep-23-09 08:53 PM   #3 
  - My dad never even let us shoot guns, and definitely wouldn't have them in the house.  harmonicon   Sep-23-09 09:28 PM   #6 
     - This is covered under existing statutes. Stupid people  Pavulon   Sep-23-09 09:29 PM   #7 
     - Accidental firearms-related fatalities (esp. among youths) declining...  SteveM   Sep-23-09 10:35 PM   #16 
     - Cool. Got a link?  stevedeshazer   Sep-23-09 11:22 PM   #29 
     - During that period just about every state has  doc03   Sep-23-09 11:56 PM   #37 
     - Unimpeachable source...  ProudDad   Sep-24-09 01:48 AM   #65 
     - I had firearms in the house around my daughter...  spin   Sep-25-09 07:07 PM   #201 
        - Of course, you know that the grabbers are having caniptions looking at your gun porn no? NT  Treo   Sep-25-09 11:53 PM   #210 
           - Never thought about it to be honest, but...  spin   Sep-26-09 12:04 PM   #221 
  - You take drivers ed, a test and buy insurance to operate a car, but any moron can buy a gun  McCamy Taylor   Sep-23-09 09:39 PM   #8 
  - And laws that make leaving a weapon unsecured illegal...wait  Pavulon   Sep-23-09 09:42 PM   #10 
  - Do you think we should get rid of driving tests? nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-23-09 10:41 PM   #19 
     - Do you think we should have gotten rid of voting tests?  Hoopla Phil   Sep-25-09 12:01 AM   #142 
  - Actually the NRA provides every single one of those services. NT  Treo   Sep-23-09 10:40 PM   #18 
  - And none of it's mandatory  ProudDad   Sep-24-09 01:48 AM   #66 
     - Isn't that just the absolute truth!  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 03:09 AM   #77 
     - As would I NT  Treo   Sep-24-09 03:40 AM   #82 
     - They would be unconstitutional. Tests before voting have already been  Hoopla Phil   Sep-25-09 12:03 AM   #143 
        - Hardly (n/t)  ProudDad   Sep-25-09 12:21 AM   #144 
  - Gun classes and gun safety are good things if they are not abused...  SteveM   Sep-23-09 10:50 PM   #22 
  - The NRA has its faults but they have always  doc03   Sep-23-09 11:43 PM   #32 
  - Congratulations  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:43 AM   #50 
     - Wal Mart walk? n/t  doc03   Sep-24-09 08:49 AM   #93 
        - The Wal Mart Walk  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:21 PM   #107 
           - No and I don't intend to, I see no  doc03   Sep-24-09 12:45 PM   #109 
           - The Wal Mart Walk  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:53 PM   #111 
              - Yup, that's why I go nowhere without a jaws-of-life, medical kit, ...  ieoeja   Sep-24-09 03:20 PM   #117 
              - Preparedness  Treo   Sep-24-09 03:47 PM   #119 
                 - You have *imminent* cause for carrying a firearm.  ieoeja   Sep-24-09 04:23 PM   #122 
                    - The difference is  Treo   Sep-24-09 04:38 PM   #123 
                    - Gosh. If I knew when "imminent" was going to occur...  PavePusher   Sep-24-09 08:53 PM   #131 
                       - Hey Pave, remember what you told me  Treo   Sep-24-09 09:43 PM   #137 
                       - You're right. Apology offered below.  PavePusher   Sep-25-09 12:12 PM   #162 
                       - It makes you appear paranoid. And, yes, people probably make fun of you all the time.  ieoeja   Sep-25-09 09:02 AM   #159 
                          - Well, Treo just reminded me that I may have come off sounding hostile.  PavePusher   Sep-25-09 12:08 PM   #161 
                             - About your stats.  ieoeja   Sep-25-09 02:22 PM   #166 
                                - There's a big difference  Treo   Sep-25-09 02:49 PM   #167 
                                   - So you believe there are 3 million violent crimes every year that justify the use of a firearm? (nt)  ieoeja   Sep-25-09 03:00 PM   #168 
                                      - Umm... what part of 'violent crime' do you not understand?  PavePusher   Sep-25-09 03:12 PM   #170 
                                      - And will very likely cause the criminal to end the attack  Treo   Sep-25-09 03:22 PM   #172 
                                      - *You* said there are 3 mil violent crimes per year and that I have a 1in2 or 1in3 chance ...  ieoeja   Sep-25-09 04:07 PM   #177 
                                         - Nope  Treo   Sep-25-09 04:18 PM   #179 
                                         - Nope  ieoeja   Sep-25-09 04:26 PM   #181 
                                         - I am trying to remain civil please return the courtesy  Treo   Sep-25-09 04:47 PM   #184 
                                         - The Bureau of Justice Statistics is your friend  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 07:30 PM   #202 
                                         - Again...  PavePusher   Sep-25-09 09:26 PM   #206 
                                      - There probably are  Treo   Sep-25-09 03:19 PM   #171 
              - WalMart's corporate policy is...  PavePusher   Sep-24-09 08:46 PM   #130 
              - I believe Wal-Mart corporate policy is to allow whatever local law allows  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 12:57 AM   #149 
           - Because Walmart shoppers are traitors  AzNick   Sep-26-09 12:32 PM   #222 
  - You're getting the situations a little mixed up.  PavePusher   Sep-24-09 08:42 PM   #129 
  - Your car example is not correct.  Hoopla Phil   Sep-24-09 11:56 PM   #141 
  - There's no shortage of gun owners, including NRA members, who would agree with you in the abstract  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 12:30 AM   #147 
  - When kids are in the house, your weapons have to be in a safe place.  proteus_lives   Sep-23-09 09:44 PM   #11 
  - Regs don't help  DissedByBush   Sep-23-09 10:32 PM   #14 
     - That's what I meant by regs.  proteus_lives   Sep-23-09 10:39 PM   #17 
  - Clearly, the boy was just asserting his second amendment rights.  Ozymanithrax   Sep-23-09 09:53 PM   #12 
  - Clearly the solution is to make sure toddlers can shoot back.  jgraz   Sep-24-09 12:30 AM   #46 
  - Hear hear. And if the toddler was packing heat, this might not have happened.  Frank Cannon   Sep-24-09 07:11 AM   #91 
  - GUNS FUCKING SUCK  boilinmad   Sep-24-09 09:37 AM   #99 
     - Not really.  PavePusher   Sep-24-09 08:55 PM   #132 
     - Haha I caught myself slipping in Mote terminology a few days ago.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-26-09 12:19 AM   #212 
        - Joss Whedon or Peter Jackson could probably swing it.  PavePusher   Sep-26-09 12:27 AM   #216 
     - What? Since when? Mine must be broken then.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-26-09 12:18 AM   #211 
     - You're thinking of vacuum cleaners  Euromutt   Sep-26-09 01:02 AM   #217 
  - Neither "keep" nor "bear" equals "discharge"  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 07:53 AM   #157 
  - The parents were protecting their kids with that gun.  The_Casual_Observer   Sep-23-09 10:12 PM   #13 
  - Don't know what those parents' motivations were, but mine is for protection...  SteveM   Sep-23-09 10:58 PM   #23 
  - Odds in that house are now 50%  The_Casual_Observer   Sep-23-09 11:58 PM   #38 
  - And now they have one less kid to protect  jgraz   Sep-24-09 01:14 AM   #58 
  - It really worked out gud for thim, din't it?  ProudDad   Sep-24-09 01:50 AM   #67 
  - Worked like a charm...  Flagg   Sep-24-09 04:39 PM   #124 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-23-09 10:35 PM   #15 
  - The parents were dead wrong and should be prosecuted  Treo   Sep-23-09 10:43 PM   #20 
  - Why not?  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 03:10 AM   #78 
  - I lost a friend to an accidental shooting many years ago.  LeftyMom   Sep-23-09 10:47 PM   #21 
  - I got shot myself by an idiot  Treo   Sep-23-09 11:03 PM   #26 
     - Did that make your gunshot wound hurt any less?  LeftyMom   Sep-23-09 11:25 PM   #30 
     - No it didn't  Treo   Sep-23-09 11:34 PM   #31 
     - The government mandates parental responsibilities all the time.  LeftyMom   Sep-23-09 11:44 PM   #33 
     - So do you propose  Treo   Sep-23-09 11:51 PM   #36 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-09 12:03 AM   #39 
        - Go back and read my post we agree on more than we disagree on  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:20 AM   #43 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-09 12:29 AM   #45 
              - Hi j  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:31 AM   #47 
              - For you, it took zero.  jgraz   Sep-24-09 12:34 AM   #48 
                 - So, tell us J  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:42 AM   #49 
                    - Of course.  jgraz   Sep-24-09 01:00 AM   #53 
                       - well I tried  Treo   Sep-24-09 01:05 AM   #55 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-09 01:25 AM   #60 
                          - I see your new strategy to convince us you're safe around firearms to act like fifth graders.  jgraz   Sep-24-09 01:55 AM   #69 
                             - Are you venting about gun owners, or trying to 'help'?  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-24-09 03:03 AM   #76 
                             - You even wrote that like a fifth grader, impressive.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-24-09 11:57 AM   #106 
                             - Sorry, Dave, was the wording too advanced for you?  jgraz   Sep-24-09 04:13 PM   #121 
                                - I am just glad to see our consultant from the Joyce Foundation back again.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-24-09 10:17 PM   #138 
                             - Is it a strategy when there's no attainable objective?  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 01:32 PM   #165 
                                - He was a consultant for the Joyce Foundation of course his mind is made up.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-25-09 04:37 PM   #183 
                                   - He doesn't come here for debate he just likes to poach gun looneys in the gungeon NT  Treo   Sep-25-09 04:49 PM   #185 
                                      - Just as long as people know who he really is.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-25-09 04:58 PM   #187 
                                      - I tend to think we should just stop engaging him .  Treo   Sep-25-09 05:10 PM   #188 
                                      - You'll notice he doesn't respond to me much.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Sep-25-09 06:12 PM   #190 
                                      - I've noticed that as soon as you hit him W/ an actual fact he runs NT  Treo   Sep-25-09 06:17 PM   #192 
                                      - Only to pop up elsewhere regurgitating the same talking points  Euromutt   Sep-26-09 03:43 AM   #218 
              - I noticed it on another thread....  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 03:24 AM   #81 
     - So, if a set of parents fails to properly use a car seat...  PavePusher   Sep-24-09 08:58 PM   #133 
     - Sooooooo....  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 03:12 AM   #79 
        - Quit a spectrum between "good parent" and "abuser" don't you think?  Treo   Sep-24-09 03:52 AM   #84 
        - Wow...  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 04:05 AM   #86 
           - So, you're not interested in answering the question? got it .  Treo   Sep-24-09 04:16 AM   #87 
              - When you ask a legit question then and only then...  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 08:53 AM   #94 
                 - How is Treo endangering children? By keeping his firearms secured?  Lance_Boyle   Sep-24-09 12:54 PM   #112 
                 - You're a grabber dear  Treo   Sep-24-09 01:10 PM   #114 
                 - You want "child endangerment"? I have some statistics for you  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 07:39 AM   #155 
                 - Fantastic post and points Euromutt. NT  SsevenN   Sep-25-09 09:53 AM   #160 
                 - You'll get no answer from this one.  jeepnstein   Sep-25-09 07:43 AM   #156 
        - Speaking as a parent...  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 05:38 AM   #154 
     - My parents kept a loaded double-barrel in the hall closet my entire life.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-26-09 12:23 AM   #213 
     - You been hunting with Chaney? n/t  doc03   Sep-23-09 11:47 PM   #35 
        - Dammit, you beat me to it!  TheWraith   Sep-24-09 12:04 AM   #40 
  - One of my neighbors is a gun nut  Demobrat   Sep-23-09 10:58 PM   #24 
  - Please call the police. Seriously.  TheWraith   Sep-24-09 12:06 AM   #41 
     - Can you cite a statute that makes it illegal to touch a gun while intoxicated?  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:47 AM   #51 
     - Lemme guess -- you're in FAVOR of drunks carrying guns.  jgraz   Sep-24-09 01:07 AM   #57 
     - Please see my thread on the subject in "Guns"  Treo   Sep-24-09 01:25 AM   #61 
     - In Colorado it's 18-12-106, "Prohibited use of weapons."  TheWraith   Sep-24-09 02:35 AM   #74 
     - Oh...give you the NRA award for gun stupidity....  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 03:15 AM   #80 
     - Perhaps we'll get lucky and he'll mistake one for a telephone  anigbrowl   Sep-24-09 03:41 AM   #83 
     - Any two of the three in any combination is bad news, IMO. n/t  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 08:56 AM   #96 
     - Post taken at face value, if he's threatening to shoot people, that's assault.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-26-09 12:25 AM   #214 
        - In Colorado it's felony menacing IF he has a gun in hand when does it. NT  Treo   Sep-26-09 09:11 AM   #219 
     - And say what? My neighbor has guns, booze and children in the same house?  Demobrat   Sep-24-09 01:05 AM   #56 
     - Tell them exactly what you said here and ask them to do a welfare check nT  Treo   Sep-24-09 01:22 AM   #59 
     - Say the same thing you did here.  TheWraith   Sep-24-09 01:28 AM   #62 
     - Having alcohol in the house does not mean you are a drunk...  benEzra   Sep-24-09 11:08 AM   #101 
     - I've seen him drunk many times,  Demobrat   Sep-24-09 11:20 AM   #103 
        - Oh, quite so. I was just cautioning against generalizing from your neighbor  benEzra   Sep-24-09 01:03 PM   #113 
     - You said "threatening to shoot people", which of course, is a crime.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-26-09 12:27 AM   #215 
     - Hell, here in bat-shit crazy mofo republican Arizona  ProudDad   Sep-24-09 01:52 AM   #68 
        - You can carry a gun into a bar in a large majority of states.  TheWraith   Sep-24-09 02:02 AM   #71 
        - 1st time Felons can already purchase guns here after they've served their time...  Treo   Sep-24-09 04:01 AM   #85 
           - More evidence that we should require licenses to have kids. nt  WriteDown   Sep-24-09 09:38 AM   #100 
           - Check it out... I did  ProudDad   Sep-25-09 12:24 AM   #146 
              - Okaaaaaay  Treo   Sep-25-09 01:13 AM   #150 
              - The frequency of the profanity...  PavePusher   Sep-25-09 12:15 PM   #163 
                 - Ya think? NT  Treo   Sep-25-09 03:23 PM   #173 
  - Seems unintelligent  BillDU   Sep-23-09 11:02 PM   #25 
  - The parents should have secured this weapon...  SteveM   Sep-23-09 11:06 PM   #27 
  - ...  xchrom   Sep-23-09 11:07 PM   #28 
  - Horrible for everyone involved.  truthisfreedom   Sep-24-09 12:08 AM   #42 
  - Oh well. More carnage...Ho hum....Guns guns guns guns guns for everybody!  Arugula Latte   Sep-24-09 12:27 AM   #44 
  - You really should lay off the caffeine , especially this late. NT  Treo   Sep-24-09 12:50 AM   #52 
  - Absolutely! If the two year old had had a gun  Demobrat   Sep-24-09 01:01 AM   #54 
  - ...."guns don't kill people.... " ...."inattentive parents kill kids" . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Sep-24-09 01:35 AM   #63 
  - Oh and here I thought the meme from the gun looneys is...  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 08:55 AM   #95 
  - That takes care of one more potential "gun owner" the Darwin Effect gotta love it (n/t)  ProudDad   Sep-24-09 01:45 AM   #64 
  - So, you're celebrating the death of a 2 YO ? That's some serious progressive concern for your fell  Treo   Sep-24-09 02:02 AM   #70 
  - Wow, you like being a POS don't you?  proteus_lives   Sep-24-09 09:14 PM   #135 
     - Too bad ... they moved this stupid thread to the gungeon  ProudDad   Sep-25-09 12:24 AM   #145 
        - Wow, 145 Posts before the Penis references showed up  Treo   Sep-25-09 01:51 AM   #151 
        - So unoriginal....  proteus_lives   Sep-25-09 02:39 AM   #153 
  - Ok, here's what I think should happen here.  JNelson6563   Sep-24-09 07:32 AM   #92 
  - Amen to your last statement:  Hepburn   Sep-24-09 08:58 AM   #97 
  - If the child had belonged to a gun nut  Demobrat   Sep-24-09 02:09 PM   #115 
  - Actually  Treo   Sep-24-09 08:02 PM   #128 
     - Of course they hold the parents accountable.  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 01:24 PM   #164 
        - Wow  Treo   Sep-25-09 03:11 PM   #169 
           - Of course you do.  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 03:38 PM   #174 
              - I'd say YOU'RE responsible for this  Treo   Sep-25-09 03:49 PM   #175 
                 - Well DUH!  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 03:58 PM   #176 
                 - I'm going to ask again  Treo   Sep-25-09 04:12 PM   #178 
                    - Gun laws have nothing to do with it.  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 04:20 PM   #180 
                       - If nothing else you certainly live up to your name.  Treo   Sep-25-09 04:33 PM   #182 
                       - The strange thing is that I raised 3 sons with guns  oneshooter   Sep-25-09 04:54 PM   #186 
                          - I have never fought for the right of anybody to drive drunk.  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 06:00 PM   #189 
                             - Do you have any actual facts that you'd like to present ?  Treo   Sep-25-09 06:15 PM   #191 
                             - What invectives?  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 06:32 PM   #195 
                                - Can you cite these thousands of innocent victims? NT  Treo   Sep-25-09 06:38 PM   #197 
                                - Read the news.  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 06:47 PM   #199 
                                   - Ok when it get's to the point of you essentially just spewing hate we're done NT  Treo   Sep-25-09 07:36 PM   #203 
                                - "Everybody is responsible for the results of their actions"  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-25-09 10:05 PM   #208 
                             - Yeah, but do you think people should be allowed to drink and/or own cars?  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-25-09 06:27 PM   #194 
                             - Not at the same time.  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 06:36 PM   #196 
                                - It's not HIS argument it's YOUR argument W/ a twist. NT  Treo   Sep-25-09 06:39 PM   #198 
                                - So anybody who is planning to have a drink...  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 10:25 PM   #209 
                             - No I haven't fought for "the right of every Tom, Dick and Nutjob who wants one to own a gun"  oneshooter   Sep-25-09 07:40 PM   #204 
                             - Nor has has anyone "fought for the right of every Tom, Dick and Nutjob who wants one to own a gun"  Euromutt   Sep-26-09 06:51 PM   #225 
                 - He's also responsible for backyard pool drownings and dog bites.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-25-09 06:23 PM   #193 
                    - And out comes the same old worthless argument.  Demobrat   Sep-25-09 06:48 PM   #200 
                       - Or we could use your argument  Treo   Sep-25-09 07:41 PM   #205 
                       - Not sure why I'm bothering but  Demobrat   Sep-26-09 11:31 AM   #220 
                          - You might get somewhere if you stop ranting like a teabagger frothing about healthcare  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-26-09 01:27 PM   #223 
                          - "Guns have no legitimate use other than killing."  PavePusher   Sep-26-09 06:25 PM   #224 
                       - You've yet to admit your moral responsibilty for child porn & neo-Nazi websites  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-25-09 09:56 PM   #207 
  - Sayeth the dog owner  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 08:14 AM   #158 
  - I sort of share your anger and sentiment. But I also imagine that  robo50   Sep-24-09 11:18 AM   #102 
  - I disagree  JNelson6563   Sep-24-09 11:45 AM   #104 
     - Well, I see your point, and appreciate you disagreeing with me. But I wonder  robo50   Sep-24-09 11:53 AM   #105 
        - Ugly business all around.  JNelson6563   Sep-24-09 07:05 PM   #127 
  - No gun owner here is celebrating the death of a child.  PavePusher   Sep-24-09 09:06 PM   #134 
  - That's right near here - fuck!  Taverner   Sep-24-09 03:54 PM   #120 
  - If only the toddler had had a gun...  Flagg   Sep-24-09 04:42 PM   #125 
  - 14  grantcart   Sep-24-09 04:44 PM   #126 
  - If you have guns and children in the same house...  proteus_lives   Sep-24-09 09:17 PM   #136 
  - If you know someone with handgun and kids, get them a quick access lockbox as a present.  aikoaiko   Sep-24-09 11:38 PM   #139 
     - I'll second that  Euromutt   Sep-25-09 12:47 AM   #148 
     - +2  proteus_lives   Sep-25-09 02:35 AM   #152 
 

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