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Tue Sep-01-09 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #23 |
| 27. I wasn't referring to DC v Heller, but Warren v DC, |
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which was referred to in the post above mine.
With regard to my "tired old canard," I wasn't referring to CCW but to open-carry explicitly, which is what conjured the image in my mind of the "old west."
As for FL's CCW holders, I'd be curious to know what percentage of them had actually used their weapons, but I doubt that is a statistic we can find.
I don't want to repeal the 2nd, and I never said I did. In fact, I'm mostly in favor of an armed citizenry, but the reason I'm on the fence about this whole issue can be found in the following paraphrased quote from The West Wing:
"They bought the guns, they bought the ammo, they loaded the guns and drove them across state lines, they walked with the guns into an open building and found a window overlooking the President's exit, and until they actually PULLED THE TRIGGER they had yet to commit a crime!"
I don't want to take people's rights. I just want to make it harder for them to kill people. Punishing gun criminals won't bring back the people they kill and it certainly hasn't proven to be an effective deterrent, so we need to find a way to stop them from murdering people before they get there.
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| -How about suing the supporters of Gun Control?? |
virginia mountainman |
Aug-31-09 10:30 PM |
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CCW permits ARE a form of gun control |
tularetom |
Aug-31-09 10:33 PM |
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One step at a time...one step at a time.... NT |
virginia mountainman |
Aug-31-09 10:35 PM |
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Private establishment |
rpannier |
Aug-31-09 10:37 PM |
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Except it has public access |
krispos42 |
Sep-01-09 02:49 AM |
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You cannot equate possessing a gun with being black |
rpannier |
Sep-01-09 03:53 AM |
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I am merely pointing out the restriction between, say, a private home... |
krispos42 |
Sep-01-09 09:36 AM |
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Wow, there's a lot of BS in that post |
darkstar3 |
Aug-31-09 10:40 PM |
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The police don't have a legal requirement to protect citizens. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-31-09 10:46 PM |
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He's not interested in helping his cause, only raising my blood pressure. |
sharesunited |
Aug-31-09 10:47 PM |
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it's typical gun nuttery |
Skittles |
Aug-31-09 10:52 PM |
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While the OP has a bad idea.... but you are completely wrong about Police. |
Statistical |
Aug-31-09 10:58 PM |
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So if a cop is standing on the corner, and watches as some asshole |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-31-09 11:10 PM |
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While a cop may not agree with it and many cops go BEYOND the call of duty... |
Statistical |
Aug-31-09 11:26 PM |
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fact is stranger than fiction............... |
one-eyed fat man |
Sep-01-09 07:32 AM |
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While in KY a Peace Office may be required to respond |
Statistical |
Sep-01-09 07:54 AM |
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Peace officers versus police |
one-eyed fat man |
Sep-02-09 07:58 AM |
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Whatever happened to "serve and protect?" |
darkstar3 |
Aug-31-09 11:20 PM |
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Outstanding individual cops don't change the general lack of duty... |
Statistical |
Aug-31-09 11:34 PM |
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But what IS the most effective means of self-defense? |
darkstar3 |
Aug-31-09 11:51 PM |
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Please darkstar don't go to that tired canard. |
Statistical |
Sep-01-09 12:02 AM |
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I wasn't referring to DC v Heller, but Warren v DC, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-01-09 12:35 AM |
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It is available for Florida (one out of 10,000 permits). |
Statistical |
Sep-01-09 12:49 AM |
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That is one of the great problems of a free society. |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 08:03 AM |
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I agree that it IS one of the great problems of our society, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-01-09 12:40 PM |
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Really? |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 12:19 AM |
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Whatever lets you sleep at night, but remember this: |
darkstar3 |
Sep-01-09 12:46 AM |
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My Response |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 07:50 AM |
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I agree partly with what you're saying... |
darkstar3 |
Sep-01-09 12:31 PM |
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You are engaging in honest discussion. That's good. |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 03:34 PM |
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Honest discussion is the only way to go, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-01-09 04:02 PM |
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You're playing semantic games. |
wtmusic |
Sep-01-09 12:30 AM |
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My arguments...well thanks for the compliment but I assure you I have never served on Supreme Court |
Statistical |
Sep-01-09 12:46 AM |
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lol the primary function of the police is to generate income for the government nt |
msongs |
Aug-31-09 11:58 PM |
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Actually... |
GreenStormCloud |
Aug-31-09 11:48 PM |
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Your post was informative, lacked hyperbole, was mostly free of condescension, |
darkstar3 |
Sep-01-09 12:21 AM |
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Thanks for the compliment. |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 09:30 AM |
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Shooting a fleeing suspect. |
Statistical |
Sep-01-09 09:52 AM |
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Definately varies from state to state. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 09:55 AM |
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In item one, you missed a few points. |
PavePusher |
Sep-01-09 10:22 AM |
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All I am doing, is thinking out side the box. |
virginia mountainman |
Sep-01-09 12:38 AM |
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The CCW wasn't forced to disarm...he/she could go to another store. |
Statistical |
Aug-31-09 10:55 PM |
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OK....True.. How about this. |
virginia mountainman |
Aug-31-09 11:35 PM |
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That does change it a little and you are free to sue but I don't think you have much of a case. |
Statistical |
Aug-31-09 11:41 PM |
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I see your point. |
virginia mountainman |
Aug-31-09 11:43 PM |
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Epic Fail |
The River |
Aug-31-09 10:57 PM |
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Usually I ignore such signs |
GreenStormCloud |
Aug-31-09 11:30 PM |
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So then you are in favor of SOME gun control? |
tularetom |
Sep-01-09 07:55 AM |
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Some? Yes. No right is unfettered. |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 08:30 AM |
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no way |
Old Codger |
Aug-31-09 11:31 PM |
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Ha! |
proteus_lives |
Sep-01-09 01:01 AM |
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You need counseling! |
sinkingfeeling |
Sep-01-09 08:46 AM |
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I have always thought we should focus all of our attention on N.Y. city. |
Tim01 |
Sep-01-09 08:51 AM |
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That might be a better avenue. |
Statistical |
Sep-01-09 09:55 AM |
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What store do you "have" to go in that is a no-gun zone? |
yost69 |
Sep-01-09 09:00 AM |
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Depends on distance/transportation. |
PavePusher |
Sep-01-09 10:35 AM |
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I understand that but |
yost69 |
Sep-01-09 12:45 PM |
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Wal-Mart usually has a different kind of sign. |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 03:43 PM |
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A friend of mine got fired for using a gun to stop a robbery once. |
LAGC |
Sep-01-09 10:44 AM |
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The store had to do that. |
GreenStormCloud |
Sep-01-09 03:54 PM |
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He had a crotch holster. |
LAGC |
Sep-01-09 07:33 PM |
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The store DOESN'T HAVE to do that. The store chose to do that. |
Statistical |
Sep-01-09 08:39 PM |
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these would be stupid lawsuits. but no more stupid than the ones suing gun manufacturers nt |
paulsby |
Sep-01-09 11:21 PM |
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