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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:35 AM
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27. I wasn't referring to DC v Heller, but Warren v DC,
which was referred to in the post above mine.

With regard to my "tired old canard," I wasn't referring to CCW but to open-carry explicitly, which is what conjured the image in my mind of the "old west."

As for FL's CCW holders, I'd be curious to know what percentage of them had actually used their weapons, but I doubt that is a statistic we can find.

I don't want to repeal the 2nd, and I never said I did. In fact, I'm mostly in favor of an armed citizenry, but the reason I'm on the fence about this whole issue can be found in the following paraphrased quote from The West Wing:

"They bought the guns, they bought the ammo, they loaded the guns and drove them across state lines, they walked with the guns into an open building and found a window overlooking the President's exit, and until they actually PULLED THE TRIGGER they had yet to commit a crime!"

I don't want to take people's rights. I just want to make it harder for them to kill people. Punishing gun criminals won't bring back the people they kill and it certainly hasn't proven to be an effective deterrent, so we need to find a way to stop them from murdering people before they get there.

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  -How about suing the supporters of Gun Control?? virginia mountainman  Aug-31-09 10:30 PM   #0 
  - CCW permits ARE a form of gun control  tularetom   Aug-31-09 10:33 PM   #1 
  - One step at a time...one step at a time.... NT  virginia mountainman   Aug-31-09 10:35 PM   #2 
  - Private establishment  rpannier   Aug-31-09 10:37 PM   #3 
  - Except it has public access  krispos42   Sep-01-09 02:49 AM   #33 
     - You cannot equate possessing a gun with being black  rpannier   Sep-01-09 03:53 AM   #34 
        - I am merely pointing out the restriction between, say, a private home...  krispos42   Sep-01-09 09:36 AM   #45 
  - Wow, there's a lot of BS in that post  darkstar3   Aug-31-09 10:40 PM   #4 
  - The police don't have a legal requirement to protect citizens.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-31-09 10:46 PM   #5 
  - He's not interested in helping his cause, only raising my blood pressure.  sharesunited   Aug-31-09 10:47 PM   #6 
  - it's typical gun nuttery  Skittles   Aug-31-09 10:52 PM   #7 
  - While the OP has a bad idea.... but you are completely wrong about Police.  Statistical   Aug-31-09 10:58 PM   #10 
  - So if a cop is standing on the corner, and watches as some asshole  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-31-09 11:10 PM   #11 
  - While a cop may not agree with it and many cops go BEYOND the call of duty...  Statistical   Aug-31-09 11:26 PM   #13 
  - fact is stranger than fiction...............  one-eyed fat man   Sep-01-09 07:32 AM   #35 
     - While in KY a Peace Office may be required to respond  Statistical   Sep-01-09 07:54 AM   #37 
        - Peace officers versus police  one-eyed fat man   Sep-02-09 07:58 AM   #62 
  - Whatever happened to "serve and protect?"  darkstar3   Aug-31-09 11:20 PM   #12 
  - Outstanding individual cops don't change the general lack of duty...  Statistical   Aug-31-09 11:34 PM   #16 
     - But what IS the most effective means of self-defense?  darkstar3   Aug-31-09 11:51 PM   #21 
     - Please darkstar don't go to that tired canard.  Statistical   Sep-01-09 12:02 AM   #23 
     - I wasn't referring to DC v Heller, but Warren v DC,  darkstar3   Sep-01-09 12:35 AM   #27 
        - It is available for Florida (one out of 10,000 permits).  Statistical   Sep-01-09 12:49 AM   #31 
        - That is one of the great problems of a free society.  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 08:03 AM   #39 
           - I agree that it IS one of the great problems of our society,  darkstar3   Sep-01-09 12:40 PM   #53 
     - Really?  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 12:19 AM   #24 
        - Whatever lets you sleep at night, but remember this:  darkstar3   Sep-01-09 12:46 AM   #30 
           - My Response  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 07:50 AM   #36 
              - I agree partly with what you're saying...  darkstar3   Sep-01-09 12:31 PM   #52 
                 - You are engaging in honest discussion. That's good.  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 03:34 PM   #55 
                    - Honest discussion is the only way to go,  darkstar3   Sep-01-09 04:02 PM   #58 
     - You're playing semantic games.  wtmusic   Sep-01-09 12:30 AM   #26 
        - My arguments...well thanks for the compliment but I assure you I have never served on Supreme Court  Statistical   Sep-01-09 12:46 AM   #29 
  - lol the primary function of the police is to generate income for the government nt  msongs   Aug-31-09 11:58 PM   #22 
  - Actually...  GreenStormCloud   Aug-31-09 11:48 PM   #20 
  - Your post was informative, lacked hyperbole, was mostly free of condescension,  darkstar3   Sep-01-09 12:21 AM   #25 
     - Thanks for the compliment.  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 09:30 AM   #44 
     - Shooting a fleeing suspect.  Statistical   Sep-01-09 09:52 AM   #46 
        - Definately varies from state to state. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 09:55 AM   #48 
     - In item one, you missed a few points.  PavePusher   Sep-01-09 10:22 AM   #49 
  - All I am doing, is thinking out side the box.  virginia mountainman   Sep-01-09 12:38 AM   #28 
  - The CCW wasn't forced to disarm...he/she could go to another store.  Statistical   Aug-31-09 10:55 PM   #8 
  - OK....True.. How about this.  virginia mountainman   Aug-31-09 11:35 PM   #17 
     - That does change it a little and you are free to sue but I don't think you have much of a case.  Statistical   Aug-31-09 11:41 PM   #18 
        - I see your point.  virginia mountainman   Aug-31-09 11:43 PM   #19 
  - Epic Fail  The River   Aug-31-09 10:57 PM   #9 
  - Usually I ignore such signs  GreenStormCloud   Aug-31-09 11:30 PM   #14 
  - So then you are in favor of SOME gun control?  tularetom   Sep-01-09 07:55 AM   #38 
     - Some? Yes. No right is unfettered.  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 08:30 AM   #40 
  - no way  Old Codger   Aug-31-09 11:31 PM   #15 
  - Ha!  proteus_lives   Sep-01-09 01:01 AM   #32 
  - You need counseling!  sinkingfeeling   Sep-01-09 08:46 AM   #41 
  - I have always thought we should focus all of our attention on N.Y. city.  Tim01   Sep-01-09 08:51 AM   #42 
  - That might be a better avenue.  Statistical   Sep-01-09 09:55 AM   #47 
  - What store do you "have" to go in that is a no-gun zone?  yost69   Sep-01-09 09:00 AM   #43 
  - Depends on distance/transportation.  PavePusher   Sep-01-09 10:35 AM   #50 
     - I understand that but  yost69   Sep-01-09 12:45 PM   #54 
        - Wal-Mart usually has a different kind of sign.  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 03:43 PM   #56 
  - A friend of mine got fired for using a gun to stop a robbery once.  LAGC   Sep-01-09 10:44 AM   #51 
  - The store had to do that.  GreenStormCloud   Sep-01-09 03:54 PM   #57 
     - He had a crotch holster.  LAGC   Sep-01-09 07:33 PM   #59 
     - The store DOESN'T HAVE to do that. The store chose to do that.  Statistical   Sep-01-09 08:39 PM   #60 
  - these would be stupid lawsuits. but no more stupid than the ones suing gun manufacturers nt  paulsby   Sep-01-09 11:21 PM   #61 
 

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