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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:26 PM
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155. Wow!
Boy did you ever tell me. You are correct, however, that I don't know enough about the NRA to argue with someone who is an expert on the subject. I withdraw my criticisms, and will endeavor to learn more.

Thanks for the education, and I apologize if you got the impression that I wanted to restrict your rights by asserting mine. That was not my intent at all.

As I've said many times, I am smart enough to steer clear of people carrying loaded weapons (if I know about it), just as I don't go to an ATM in the "bad" part of town at 2:00am.

The only thing I have just a small problem with, however, is the premise that I should automatically "trust" someone carrying a loaded weapon, because it is their "right." Should I also believe everything I hear, because Free Speech is a right?
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  -So, we're willing to spill more blood on the Altar of the Sacred Second Amendment. MadHound  Aug-18-09 05:38 AM   #0 
  - "potential for insanity"? It's already present.  DrDan   Aug-18-09 05:43 AM   #1 
  - I agree, which is even more reason not to allow this sort of stupidity to go on  MadHound   Aug-18-09 05:47 AM   #3 
     - Jim Cooper - D congressman was on Hardball last night  DrDan   Aug-18-09 05:53 AM   #5 
  - Too bad Gerald Ford is not around to comment on this  Kolesar   Aug-18-09 05:44 AM   #2 
  - Or hell, even Reagan for that matter. n/t  MadHound   Aug-18-09 05:48 AM   #4 
     - James Brady, then?  Kolesar   Aug-18-09 06:07 AM   #6 
  - Or we could get Robert and John Kennedy and Reverend King...  kentuck   Aug-18-09 06:22 AM   #7 
  - lol. you have it backwards  paulsby   Aug-19-09 05:09 AM   #59 
  - Hey! Stop using facts! It confuses the grabbers.  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 02:20 PM   #120 
  - That's a stupid statement  rl6214   Aug-21-09 09:29 PM   #187 
  - Heard a moran commenting about the Guns in Bars bills....  Patiod   Aug-18-09 06:32 AM   #8 
  - Even in places where a firearm is allowed in a bar...  brendan120678   Aug-18-09 06:40 AM   #11 
  - That doesn't mean jack. Make it legal to have a gun in a bar some will feel empowered  kenny blankenship   Aug-18-09 07:00 AM   #14 
  - If they are willing to break the law...  gorfle   Aug-18-09 09:32 AM   #23 
  - false false false  paulsby   Aug-19-09 05:13 AM   #61 
     - But it IS illegal in WA to be in possession of a firearm in public while "under the influence"  Euromutt   Aug-20-09 03:56 AM   #106 
     - Tell it to #8.  gorfle   Aug-20-09 10:18 AM   #111 
  - self-delete; dupe n/t  krispos42   Aug-18-09 11:03 AM   #34 
  - I doubt it  krispos42   Aug-18-09 11:03 AM   #35 
  - false. where do you do your legal research  paulsby   Aug-19-09 05:12 AM   #60 
  - Correct, but...  Euromutt   Aug-20-09 04:16 AM   #107 
  - it is always still illegal to consume alcohol while carrying a firearm.  GunGuyinPA   Aug-23-09 02:27 PM   #194 
  - Most of New York has always allowed guns in bars. I haven't heard of too many  jmg257   Aug-18-09 01:12 PM   #50 
  - So orphans can't have guns?  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-19-09 06:11 PM   #86 
  - You don't actually know what the laws say, do you? n/t  PavePusher   Aug-20-09 12:02 PM   #114 
  - It's NOT guns in BARS, it's GUNS IN RESTURANTS.  Testament   Aug-20-09 05:20 PM   #154 
  - WTF  rl6214   Aug-21-09 09:31 PM   #188 
  - . . .  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-18-09 06:35 AM   #9 
  - Yeah, I think the time is coming soon when we have to  jimlup   Aug-18-09 06:37 AM   #10 
  - I have no problem with people owning guns  MadHound   Aug-18-09 07:11 AM   #16 
  - You want a civil war?  gorfle   Aug-18-09 09:34 AM   #24 
  - I have to admit  jimlup   Aug-18-09 10:47 AM   #30 
     - It can when the 1st-world-government is under attack from within  krispos42   Aug-18-09 11:00 AM   #32 
     - In all my examples...  gorfle   Aug-18-09 11:20 AM   #37 
     - But all those you want to exclude from consideration just prove that armed resistance CAN  Matt 6_5   Aug-19-09 04:53 PM   #80 
        - modern warfare does kinda change the game...  jimlup   Aug-19-09 05:03 PM   #83 
           - Well, I'm under no illusions (delusions?) that I could personally defeat  Matt 6_5   Aug-19-09 06:09 PM   #85 
           - Yeah, I think what I wonder about is what if...  jimlup   Aug-19-09 08:48 PM   #90 
              - I'm reminded of a  rrneck   Aug-19-09 11:43 PM   #104 
           - See asymetrical warfare.  beevul   Aug-19-09 10:25 PM   #95 
           - I wish more thought like you...  fedupinhouston   Aug-19-09 11:07 PM   #99 
           - Re: My natural instinct is to conclude that an armed citizen is bad thing  GunGuyinPA   Aug-23-09 02:21 PM   #193 
  - Two points.  Statistical   Aug-18-09 10:03 AM   #27 
  - It takes 3/4, not 2/3.  GreenStormCloud   Aug-21-09 03:17 PM   #186 
  - You don't bring on DU.  proteus_lives   Aug-19-09 04:23 PM   #72 
  - The vast, vast, majority right here on DU completely disagree  pipoman   Aug-19-09 09:26 PM   #91 
  - Only if soon is defined as...  fedupinhouston   Aug-19-09 11:04 PM   #98 
  - Uh, any other parts of the Constitution we should "put an end" to?  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 02:23 PM   #121 
  - face/palm  armyowalgreens   Aug-21-09 04:51 AM   #176 
  - Right.  H2O Man   Aug-18-09 06:54 AM   #12 
  - interesting  fascisthunter   Aug-19-09 04:31 PM   #75 
  - If Lee Harvey Oswald had been discovered with his rifle  Canuckistanian   Aug-18-09 06:57 AM   #13 
  - No, back in those saner days he would have been hustled off for questioning, at the very least  MadHound   Aug-18-09 07:09 AM   #15 
  - Of course not.  gorfle   Aug-18-09 09:35 AM   #25 
  - Permits arent required for a rifle...  fedupinhouston   Aug-19-09 11:10 PM   #100 
  - Was anyone within shooting range?  Shrek   Aug-18-09 07:34 AM   #17 
  - Anywhere within a half mile to a mile is too close, sorry n/t  MadHound   Aug-18-09 07:48 AM   #19 
  - Why a half a mile why not 20 miles, or 100 miles, or 10,000 miles? n/t  Statistical   Aug-18-09 07:58 AM   #21 
  - Anything over a half mile to a mile is an impossible shot with ordinary firearms n/t  MadHound   Aug-18-09 12:05 PM   #42 
     - You know how many potential residences there could be within a half mile.  Statistical   Aug-18-09 12:42 PM   #47 
     - utter idiocy  paulsby   Aug-19-09 05:21 AM   #62 
     - What is your definition of ordinary firearms?  armyowalgreens   Aug-21-09 05:01 AM   #178 
     - I think I'm getting it now. Are you talking about hand guns?  armyowalgreens   Aug-21-09 05:15 AM   #180 
  - So the Secret Service should....  krispos42   Aug-18-09 11:06 AM   #36 
  - Shouldn't that be within half a mile and with a clear line of sight?  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-19-09 06:31 PM   #88 
  - So say I live with 1/2 mile of a Presidential event...  spin   Aug-19-09 10:34 PM   #96 
  - There are rifles with an effective range of 1.15 miles (6000+ feet)  armyowalgreens   Aug-21-09 04:59 AM   #177 
  - I think people are forgetting that scopes can decrease that range for a gun and  AlinPA   Aug-19-09 04:39 PM   #76 
  - Yes, we are.  billyoc   Aug-18-09 07:40 AM   #18 
  - I trust the Secret Service.  Statistical   Aug-18-09 07:56 AM   #20 
  - exactly  paulsby   Aug-19-09 05:23 AM   #63 
  - True.  proteus_lives   Aug-19-09 04:25 PM   #73 
  - IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.  gorfle   Aug-18-09 09:23 AM   #22 
  - The first amendment is constitutional law as well...  W_HAMILTON   Aug-19-09 11:04 AM   #70 
     - Do you know a lot of people with howitzers in their garages?  Matt 6_5   Aug-19-09 04:54 PM   #82 
     - And the limits on the 2nd  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 02:26 PM   #122 
  - In the gun-worshipers' view, guns have more Constitutional protections than people.  baldguy   Aug-18-09 09:37 AM   #26 
  - A gun walked to the event by it's self? Now that would be news. n/t  Statistical   Aug-18-09 10:04 AM   #28 
  - The way some gun-worshipers act, you'd think so.  baldguy   Aug-18-09 10:18 AM   #29 
     - Who are these gun-worshipers of whom you speak?  fedupinhouston   Aug-19-09 11:16 PM   #102 
  - Guns are the ultimate Constitutional protection OF the people.  gorfle   Aug-18-09 11:22 AM   #38 
  - You think guns provide protection of rights? Horseshit.  GaYellowDawg   Aug-18-09 11:52 AM   #40 
  - You might want to check with...  gorfle   Aug-18-09 12:17 PM   #44 
  - Really? You might want to check in with David Koresh.  GaYellowDawg   Aug-18-09 01:17 PM   #51 
  - A handful of revolutionaries does not a revolution make.  gorfle   Aug-18-09 03:18 PM   #57 
  - Their governments don't have advanced weapons, big jets, bombers, nukes.  AlinPA   Aug-19-09 04:45 PM   #79 
     - The USSR and the US did and got their asses handed to them....eom  pipoman   Aug-19-09 09:44 PM   #92 
  - You may wish to do some math...  fedupinhouston   Aug-19-09 11:18 PM   #103 
  - No, a well regulated militia is the ultimate security for a free state.  baldguy   Aug-18-09 12:04 PM   #41 
     - I have protested it for a long time.  gorfle   Aug-18-09 12:19 PM   #45 
        - You DO realize  billh58   Aug-18-09 01:32 PM   #52 
        - Rights don't just go away.  Statistical   Aug-18-09 01:43 PM   #53 
        - Nice try, but I  billh58   Aug-18-09 02:09 PM   #54 
           - Waving a gun in someone is already a crime called brandishing. n/t  Statistical   Aug-18-09 02:20 PM   #55 
           - LOL!  billh58   Aug-18-09 02:44 PM   #56 
              - i love these illogical arguments  paulsby   Aug-19-09 05:26 AM   #64 
              - I am NOT  billh58   Aug-19-09 04:20 PM   #71 
                 - Yes it is illogical  fedupinhouston   Aug-20-09 10:22 AM   #113 
                    - Wow!  billh58   Aug-20-09 05:26 PM   #155 
                       - Im not saying you should automatically trust...  fedupinhouston   Aug-21-09 12:24 AM   #171 
                          - Just to point out a  billh58   Aug-21-09 02:46 PM   #183 
              - I guess we need to give up all public demonstrations...  PavePusher   Aug-20-09 12:36 PM   #116 
                 - Yep,  billh58   Aug-20-09 05:14 PM   #152 
                    - Oh well...  PavePusher   Aug-20-09 10:20 PM   #168 
                    - I'm sure that you're  billh58   Aug-20-09 11:14 PM   #170 
                    - How do i say this...  fedupinhouston   Aug-21-09 12:30 AM   #172 
                       - We are in  billh58   Aug-21-09 02:50 PM   #184 
           - Hmmmm.................  Israfel4   Aug-20-09 04:46 PM   #146 
        - After some 200 years...  gorfle   Aug-19-09 10:42 AM   #65 
        - I realize that you  billh58   Aug-19-09 04:54 PM   #81 
           - Question:  gorfle   Aug-20-09 10:21 AM   #112 
              - Isn't that  billh58   Aug-20-09 01:47 PM   #119 
                 - So you saw no threat to any of your freedoms from the former administration?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-20-09 03:56 PM   #129 
                    - Of course I  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:00 PM   #130 
                       - That's often the argument made here against gun ownership.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-20-09 04:08 PM   #132 
                          - Since when  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:41 PM   #140 
                             - Who is talking about a right to carry in public? That is a state issue.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-20-09 04:46 PM   #145 
        - Who waved a gun in your face? Did you have them arrested?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-20-09 03:50 PM   #128 
           - Oh my...  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:07 PM   #131 
              - Another accusation, let me guess. No proof for this one either.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-20-09 04:12 PM   #133 
                 - And I  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:28 PM   #136 
                    - I never accused you of wanting to get rid of anything.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-20-09 04:35 PM   #137 
                       - As I suspected, we  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:43 PM   #142 
                          - Just getting to know each other it is to be expected.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-20-09 04:48 PM   #147 
                             - And I  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:55 PM   #150 
        - Get back to me when the NRA publicly advocates the dissolution of the military.  baldguy   Aug-18-09 03:24 PM   #58 
        - Oh for fuck's sake...  fedupinhouston   Aug-21-09 12:33 AM   #173 
        - Oh Lord. IMO, that's insane. YES, the NG serves "the people."  ShortnFiery   Aug-19-09 10:48 AM   #67 
  - I'm thinking they probably dress up their guns.  gatorboy   Aug-19-09 10:45 AM   #66 
  - Guns have no constitutional protections...  fedupinhouston   Aug-19-09 11:14 PM   #101 
  - The secret service isn't allowing people with guns in shooting range of the President.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Aug-18-09 10:49 AM   #31 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-18-09 11:00 AM   #33 
  - This is a matter for the President and the people who protect him.  aikoaiko   Aug-18-09 11:45 AM   #39 
  - Is this maybe the death knell for the 2nd amendment  Bragi   Aug-18-09 12:11 PM   #43 
     - "large gathering, political, social sports" In most states people already can.  Statistical   Aug-18-09 12:49 PM   #48 
     - Let's hope they don't start showing up at Steelers-Browns / Packers-Bears games.  AlinPA   Aug-19-09 04:43 PM   #78 
     - dumb analogy  paulsby   Aug-20-09 03:02 AM   #105 
  - Set up a "right to carry arms" zone...  Contrary1   Aug-18-09 12:23 PM   #46 
  - One news report stated the most recent carry was in the "protest zone"  Statistical   Aug-18-09 12:51 PM   #49 
  - Really?  PavePusher   Aug-20-09 12:45 PM   #117 
  - Those zones already exist.  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 03:47 PM   #127 
  - Have a gun with 1/2 mile of the president - go to jail  yodoobo   Aug-19-09 10:56 AM   #68 
  - So the President is at an event 1/2 mile from my home....  spin   Aug-19-09 10:59 PM   #97 
  - "22 mm rifles"?  Euromutt   Aug-20-09 06:24 AM   #108 
  - As an FYI long range 22lr target shooting is a blast....  BigBluenoser   Aug-20-09 04:42 PM   #141 
     - Oh sure; so is 9mm  Euromutt   Aug-21-09 03:00 PM   #185 
  - "SS" huh? Which country is this again?  AtheistCrusader   Aug-21-09 03:32 AM   #174 
  - Actually, the A-10's gun is 30mm  Euromutt   Aug-22-09 11:53 PM   #191 
  - I can only assume that a 22 mm rifle has an effective range of several miles...  armyowalgreens   Aug-21-09 05:11 AM   #179 
  - You just had to one-up the guy with the 20 mm rifle, didn't you?  slackmaster   Aug-23-09 02:33 PM   #195 
  - 2nd Amendment was the founders biggest mistake..the damn thing ought to be repealed!!!...  S_E_Fudd   Aug-19-09 10:58 AM   #69 
  - +1 nt  Critters2   Aug-19-09 04:27 PM   #74 
  - I don't believe  billh58   Aug-19-09 06:28 PM   #87 
  - Err, I don't think that word means what you think it means..  X_Digger   Aug-19-09 07:55 PM   #89 
  - From Wikipedia & Findlaw  billh58   Aug-19-09 09:57 PM   #93 
     - The full sentence..  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 08:05 AM   #110 
        - "Definitions" are  billh58   Aug-20-09 01:19 PM   #118 
           - Again.. tenuous at best.  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 03:15 PM   #124 
              - Sigh...  billh58   Aug-20-09 03:42 PM   #125 
                 - Gawd..  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 04:43 PM   #143 
                    - Okay  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:50 PM   #148 
  - A completely incorrect understanding of the Constitution.  gorfle   Aug-20-09 04:45 PM   #144 
     - Maybe we are reading two  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:54 PM   #149 
        - Perhaps you could quote the portion...  gorfle   Aug-20-09 06:59 PM   #163 
           - The Preamble to  billh58   Aug-20-09 08:27 PM   #164 
              - That's not the preamble.  gorfle   Aug-21-09 09:49 AM   #181 
                 - If you will read my  billh58   Aug-21-09 02:01 PM   #182 
  - Do you realize...  fedupinhouston   Aug-20-09 12:12 PM   #115 
  - That's for your contribution, Mr. Fudd  slackmaster   Aug-23-09 02:33 PM   #196 
  - Thank you. We have to remember that Constitutional rights are dependent on  Matt 6_5   Aug-19-09 04:41 PM   #77 
  - Oh, FFS.  cliffordu   Aug-19-09 05:21 PM   #84 
  - No armed person other than Secret Service and police have been allowed within shooting range  slackmaster   Aug-19-09 10:06 PM   #94 
  - Contrary to your beliefs, the Secret Service is supremely capable  benEzra   Aug-20-09 07:05 AM   #109 
  - Isn't democracy great?  Euromutt   Aug-20-09 03:04 PM   #123 
  - "I don't give a damn about states' rights,etc." Well, I guess that ends the debate right there then  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 03:45 PM   #126 
  - Potential?  billh58   Aug-20-09 04:14 PM   #134 
  - How about the potential  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 04:39 PM   #138 
     - But  billh58   Aug-20-09 05:06 PM   #151 
        - This is where we differ I guess  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 05:18 PM   #153 
           - I don't get that, either..  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 05:28 PM   #156 
           - Yes, they  billh58   Aug-20-09 05:44 PM   #157 
              - See, our differences are not so far apart.  rd_kent   Aug-20-09 06:10 PM   #158 
              - And I  billh58   Aug-20-09 06:24 PM   #159 
              - Bit of a straw man there..  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 06:36 PM   #160 
                 - I have seen  billh58   Aug-20-09 06:49 PM   #161 
                    - Never dull in the gungeon :) n/t  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 06:54 PM   #162 
  - Presence  FirstAmerican   Aug-20-09 04:23 PM   #135 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-20-09 04:41 PM   #139 
  - Bush had a no fly zone...  tbyrd   Aug-20-09 09:17 PM   #165 
  - There actually is..  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 09:25 PM   #166 
     - I believe that  billh58   Aug-20-09 09:54 PM   #167 
        - Yup, it's federal law..  X_Digger   Aug-20-09 10:35 PM   #169 
  - Are you concerned about blood being spilled on the altars of the other amendments?  Euromutt   Aug-21-09 04:36 AM   #175 
  - In before the typical peni drivel  Tejas   Aug-21-09 11:32 PM   #189 
  - It's "penes," if you want the Latin plural  Euromutt   Aug-22-09 04:15 AM   #190 
  - Actually, the fact that the police didn't  chrisa   Aug-23-09 11:19 AM   #192 
 

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