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Tue Aug-18-09 12:17 PM
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| 44. You might want to check with... |
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The government so severely outguns the general population that everyone might as well be carrying slingshots.
You might want to check in with the Vietnames, the Afghans, the Mogadishus, and the Iraqis.
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| -So, we're willing to spill more blood on the Altar of the Sacred Second Amendment. |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 05:38 AM |
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"potential for insanity"? It's already present. |
DrDan |
Aug-18-09 05:43 AM |
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I agree, which is even more reason not to allow this sort of stupidity to go on |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 05:47 AM |
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Jim Cooper - D congressman was on Hardball last night |
DrDan |
Aug-18-09 05:53 AM |
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Too bad Gerald Ford is not around to comment on this |
Kolesar |
Aug-18-09 05:44 AM |
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Or hell, even Reagan for that matter. n/t |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 05:48 AM |
#4 |
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James Brady, then? |
Kolesar |
Aug-18-09 06:07 AM |
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Or we could get Robert and John Kennedy and Reverend King... |
kentuck |
Aug-18-09 06:22 AM |
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lol. you have it backwards |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:09 AM |
#59 |
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Hey! Stop using facts! It confuses the grabbers. |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 02:20 PM |
#120 |
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That's a stupid statement |
rl6214 |
Aug-21-09 09:29 PM |
#187 |
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Heard a moran commenting about the Guns in Bars bills.... |
Patiod |
Aug-18-09 06:32 AM |
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Even in places where a firearm is allowed in a bar... |
brendan120678 |
Aug-18-09 06:40 AM |
#11 |
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That doesn't mean jack. Make it legal to have a gun in a bar some will feel empowered |
kenny blankenship |
Aug-18-09 07:00 AM |
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If they are willing to break the law... |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:32 AM |
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false false false |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:13 AM |
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But it IS illegal in WA to be in possession of a firearm in public while "under the influence" |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 03:56 AM |
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Tell it to #8. |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 10:18 AM |
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self-delete; dupe n/t |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:03 AM |
#34 |
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I doubt it |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:03 AM |
#35 |
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false. where do you do your legal research |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:12 AM |
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Correct, but... |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 04:16 AM |
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it is always still illegal to consume alcohol while carrying a firearm. |
GunGuyinPA |
Aug-23-09 02:27 PM |
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Most of New York has always allowed guns in bars. I haven't heard of too many |
jmg257 |
Aug-18-09 01:12 PM |
#50 |
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So orphans can't have guns? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-19-09 06:11 PM |
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You don't actually know what the laws say, do you? n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 12:02 PM |
#114 |
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It's NOT guns in BARS, it's GUNS IN RESTURANTS. |
Testament |
Aug-20-09 05:20 PM |
#154 |
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WTF |
rl6214 |
Aug-21-09 09:31 PM |
#188 |
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. . . |
proud2BlibKansan |
Aug-18-09 06:35 AM |
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Yeah, I think the time is coming soon when we have to |
jimlup |
Aug-18-09 06:37 AM |
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I have no problem with people owning guns |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 07:11 AM |
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You want a civil war? |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:34 AM |
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I have to admit |
jimlup |
Aug-18-09 10:47 AM |
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It can when the 1st-world-government is under attack from within |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:00 AM |
#32 |
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In all my examples... |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 11:20 AM |
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But all those you want to exclude from consideration just prove that armed resistance CAN |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 04:53 PM |
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modern warfare does kinda change the game... |
jimlup |
Aug-19-09 05:03 PM |
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Well, I'm under no illusions (delusions?) that I could personally defeat |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 06:09 PM |
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Yeah, I think what I wonder about is what if... |
jimlup |
Aug-19-09 08:48 PM |
#90 |
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I'm reminded of a |
rrneck |
Aug-19-09 11:43 PM |
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See asymetrical warfare. |
beevul |
Aug-19-09 10:25 PM |
#95 |
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I wish more thought like you... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:07 PM |
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Re: My natural instinct is to conclude that an armed citizen is bad thing |
GunGuyinPA |
Aug-23-09 02:21 PM |
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Two points. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 10:03 AM |
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It takes 3/4, not 2/3. |
GreenStormCloud |
Aug-21-09 03:17 PM |
#186 |
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You don't bring on DU. |
proteus_lives |
Aug-19-09 04:23 PM |
#72 |
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The vast, vast, majority right here on DU completely disagree |
pipoman |
Aug-19-09 09:26 PM |
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Only if soon is defined as... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:04 PM |
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Uh, any other parts of the Constitution we should "put an end" to? |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 02:23 PM |
#121 |
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face/palm |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 04:51 AM |
#176 |
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Right. |
H2O Man |
Aug-18-09 06:54 AM |
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interesting |
fascisthunter |
Aug-19-09 04:31 PM |
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If Lee Harvey Oswald had been discovered with his rifle |
Canuckistanian |
Aug-18-09 06:57 AM |
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No, back in those saner days he would have been hustled off for questioning, at the very least |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 07:09 AM |
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Of course not. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:35 AM |
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Permits arent required for a rifle... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:10 PM |
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Was anyone within shooting range? |
Shrek |
Aug-18-09 07:34 AM |
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Anywhere within a half mile to a mile is too close, sorry n/t |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 07:48 AM |
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Why a half a mile why not 20 miles, or 100 miles, or 10,000 miles? n/t |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 07:58 AM |
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Anything over a half mile to a mile is an impossible shot with ordinary firearms n/t |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 12:05 PM |
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You know how many potential residences there could be within a half mile. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 12:42 PM |
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utter idiocy |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:21 AM |
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What is your definition of ordinary firearms? |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 05:01 AM |
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I think I'm getting it now. Are you talking about hand guns? |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 05:15 AM |
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So the Secret Service should.... |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:06 AM |
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Shouldn't that be within half a mile and with a clear line of sight? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-19-09 06:31 PM |
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So say I live with 1/2 mile of a Presidential event... |
spin |
Aug-19-09 10:34 PM |
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There are rifles with an effective range of 1.15 miles (6000+ feet) |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 04:59 AM |
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I think people are forgetting that scopes can decrease that range for a gun and |
AlinPA |
Aug-19-09 04:39 PM |
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Yes, we are. |
billyoc |
Aug-18-09 07:40 AM |
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I trust the Secret Service. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 07:56 AM |
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exactly |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:23 AM |
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True. |
proteus_lives |
Aug-19-09 04:25 PM |
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IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:23 AM |
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The first amendment is constitutional law as well... |
W_HAMILTON |
Aug-19-09 11:04 AM |
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Do you know a lot of people with howitzers in their garages? |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 04:54 PM |
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And the limits on the 2nd |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 02:26 PM |
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In the gun-worshipers' view, guns have more Constitutional protections than people. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 09:37 AM |
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A gun walked to the event by it's self? Now that would be news. n/t |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 10:04 AM |
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The way some gun-worshipers act, you'd think so. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 10:18 AM |
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Who are these gun-worshipers of whom you speak? |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:16 PM |
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Guns are the ultimate Constitutional protection OF the people. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 11:22 AM |
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You think guns provide protection of rights? Horseshit. |
GaYellowDawg |
Aug-18-09 11:52 AM |
#40 |
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You might want to check with... |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 12:17 PM |
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Really? You might want to check in with David Koresh. |
GaYellowDawg |
Aug-18-09 01:17 PM |
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A handful of revolutionaries does not a revolution make. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 03:18 PM |
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Their governments don't have advanced weapons, big jets, bombers, nukes. |
AlinPA |
Aug-19-09 04:45 PM |
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The USSR and the US did and got their asses handed to them....eom |
pipoman |
Aug-19-09 09:44 PM |
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You may wish to do some math... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:18 PM |
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No, a well regulated militia is the ultimate security for a free state. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 12:04 PM |
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I have protested it for a long time. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 12:19 PM |
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You DO realize |
billh58 |
Aug-18-09 01:32 PM |
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Rights don't just go away. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 01:43 PM |
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Nice try, but I |
billh58 |
Aug-18-09 02:09 PM |
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Waving a gun in someone is already a crime called brandishing. n/t |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 02:20 PM |
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LOL! |
billh58 |
Aug-18-09 02:44 PM |
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i love these illogical arguments |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:26 AM |
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I am NOT |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 04:20 PM |
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Yes it is illogical |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-20-09 10:22 AM |
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Wow! |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:26 PM |
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Im not saying you should automatically trust... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-21-09 12:24 AM |
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Just to point out a |
billh58 |
Aug-21-09 02:46 PM |
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I guess we need to give up all public demonstrations... |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 12:36 PM |
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Yep, |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:14 PM |
#152 |
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Oh well... |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 10:20 PM |
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I'm sure that you're |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 11:14 PM |
#170 |
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How do i say this... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-21-09 12:30 AM |
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We are in |
billh58 |
Aug-21-09 02:50 PM |
#184 |
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Hmmmm................. |
Israfel4 |
Aug-20-09 04:46 PM |
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After some 200 years... |
gorfle |
Aug-19-09 10:42 AM |
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I realize that you |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 04:54 PM |
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Question: |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 10:21 AM |
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Isn't that |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 01:47 PM |
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So you saw no threat to any of your freedoms from the former administration? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:56 PM |
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Of course I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:00 PM |
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That's often the argument made here against gun ownership. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:08 PM |
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Since when |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:41 PM |
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Who is talking about a right to carry in public? That is a state issue. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:46 PM |
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Who waved a gun in your face? Did you have them arrested? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:50 PM |
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Oh my... |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:07 PM |
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Another accusation, let me guess. No proof for this one either. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:12 PM |
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And I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:28 PM |
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I never accused you of wanting to get rid of anything. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:35 PM |
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As I suspected, we |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:43 PM |
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Just getting to know each other it is to be expected. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:48 PM |
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And I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:55 PM |
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Get back to me when the NRA publicly advocates the dissolution of the military. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 03:24 PM |
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Oh for fuck's sake... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-21-09 12:33 AM |
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Oh Lord. IMO, that's insane. YES, the NG serves "the people." |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-19-09 10:48 AM |
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I'm thinking they probably dress up their guns. |
gatorboy |
Aug-19-09 10:45 AM |
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Guns have no constitutional protections... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:14 PM |
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The secret service isn't allowing people with guns in shooting range of the President. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:49 AM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-18-09 11:00 AM |
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This is a matter for the President and the people who protect him. |
aikoaiko |
Aug-18-09 11:45 AM |
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Is this maybe the death knell for the 2nd amendment |
Bragi |
Aug-18-09 12:11 PM |
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"large gathering, political, social sports" In most states people already can. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 12:49 PM |
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Let's hope they don't start showing up at Steelers-Browns / Packers-Bears games. |
AlinPA |
Aug-19-09 04:43 PM |
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dumb analogy |
paulsby |
Aug-20-09 03:02 AM |
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Set up a "right to carry arms" zone... |
Contrary1 |
Aug-18-09 12:23 PM |
#46 |
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One news report stated the most recent carry was in the "protest zone" |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 12:51 PM |
#49 |
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Really? |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 12:45 PM |
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Those zones already exist. |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 03:47 PM |
#127 |
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Have a gun with 1/2 mile of the president - go to jail |
yodoobo |
Aug-19-09 10:56 AM |
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So the President is at an event 1/2 mile from my home.... |
spin |
Aug-19-09 10:59 PM |
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"22 mm rifles"? |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 06:24 AM |
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As an FYI long range 22lr target shooting is a blast.... |
BigBluenoser |
Aug-20-09 04:42 PM |
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Oh sure; so is 9mm |
Euromutt |
Aug-21-09 03:00 PM |
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"SS" huh? Which country is this again? |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-21-09 03:32 AM |
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Actually, the A-10's gun is 30mm |
Euromutt |
Aug-22-09 11:53 PM |
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I can only assume that a 22 mm rifle has an effective range of several miles... |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 05:11 AM |
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You just had to one-up the guy with the 20 mm rifle, didn't you? |
slackmaster |
Aug-23-09 02:33 PM |
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2nd Amendment was the founders biggest mistake..the damn thing ought to be repealed!!!... |
S_E_Fudd |
Aug-19-09 10:58 AM |
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+1 nt |
Critters2 |
Aug-19-09 04:27 PM |
#74 |
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I don't believe |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 06:28 PM |
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Err, I don't think that word means what you think it means.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-19-09 07:55 PM |
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From Wikipedia & Findlaw |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 09:57 PM |
#93 |
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The full sentence.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 08:05 AM |
#110 |
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"Definitions" are |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 01:19 PM |
#118 |
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Again.. tenuous at best. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 03:15 PM |
#124 |
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Sigh... |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 03:42 PM |
#125 |
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Gawd.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 04:43 PM |
#143 |
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Okay |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:50 PM |
#148 |
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A completely incorrect understanding of the Constitution. |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 04:45 PM |
#144 |
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Maybe we are reading two |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:54 PM |
#149 |
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Perhaps you could quote the portion... |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 06:59 PM |
#163 |
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The Preamble to |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 08:27 PM |
#164 |
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That's not the preamble. |
gorfle |
Aug-21-09 09:49 AM |
#181 |
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If you will read my |
billh58 |
Aug-21-09 02:01 PM |
#182 |
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Do you realize... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-20-09 12:12 PM |
#115 |
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That's for your contribution, Mr. Fudd |
slackmaster |
Aug-23-09 02:33 PM |
#196 |
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Thank you. We have to remember that Constitutional rights are dependent on |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 04:41 PM |
#77 |
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Oh, FFS. |
cliffordu |
Aug-19-09 05:21 PM |
#84 |
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No armed person other than Secret Service and police have been allowed within shooting range |
slackmaster |
Aug-19-09 10:06 PM |
#94 |
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Contrary to your beliefs, the Secret Service is supremely capable |
benEzra |
Aug-20-09 07:05 AM |
#109 |
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Isn't democracy great? |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 03:04 PM |
#123 |
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"I don't give a damn about states' rights,etc." Well, I guess that ends the debate right there then |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 03:45 PM |
#126 |
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Potential? |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:14 PM |
#134 |
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How about the potential |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 04:39 PM |
#138 |
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But |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:06 PM |
#151 |
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This is where we differ I guess |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 05:18 PM |
#153 |
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I don't get that, either.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 05:28 PM |
#156 |
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Yes, they |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:44 PM |
#157 |
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See, our differences are not so far apart. |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 06:10 PM |
#158 |
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And I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 06:24 PM |
#159 |
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Bit of a straw man there.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 06:36 PM |
#160 |
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I have seen |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 06:49 PM |
#161 |
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Never dull in the gungeon :) n/t |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 06:54 PM |
#162 |
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Presence |
FirstAmerican |
Aug-20-09 04:23 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-20-09 04:41 PM |
#139 |
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Bush had a no fly zone... |
tbyrd |
Aug-20-09 09:17 PM |
#165 |
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There actually is.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 09:25 PM |
#166 |
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I believe that |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 09:54 PM |
#167 |
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Yup, it's federal law.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 10:35 PM |
#169 |
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Are you concerned about blood being spilled on the altars of the other amendments? |
Euromutt |
Aug-21-09 04:36 AM |
#175 |
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In before the typical peni drivel |
Tejas |
Aug-21-09 11:32 PM |
#189 |
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It's "penes," if you want the Latin plural |
Euromutt |
Aug-22-09 04:15 AM |
#190 |
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Actually, the fact that the police didn't |
chrisa |
Aug-23-09 11:19 AM |
#192 |
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