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91. So basically the poor immigrant trying to escape a tryannical country
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 08:48 PM by Endangered Specie
becomes a citizen but finds he can't excersize his right to bear arms if hes convicted of some bogus ass crime in a kangaroo court that he'll be 're-educated' for if he ever returns?

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  -Feinstein introduces bill to keep guns out of those convicted of felonies overseas derby378  Jul-29-09 03:36 PM   #0 
  - If Feinstein is convicted of war profiteering will shel be able to keep her concealed weapon permit?  tularetom   Jul-29-09 03:45 PM   #1 
  - Why not!  divideandconquer   Jul-29-09 03:54 PM   #2 
  - Because should your rights in your home nation be dictated....  eqfan592   Jul-29-09 03:59 PM   #3 
  - Here's an interesting case to consider...  derby378   Jul-29-09 04:04 PM   #5 
     - Wow....  eqfan592   Jul-29-09 04:31 PM   #13 
     - hmm  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:33 PM   #14 
     - A kilo of cocaine is not legal in Mexico.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-29-09 04:58 PM   #24 
     - so?  iverglas   Jul-29-09 05:09 PM   #28 
     - Nice strawman, iverglas  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 10:34 AM   #104 
     - here's a dictionary  iverglas   Aug-02-09 04:27 PM   #108 
        - Really?  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 04:47 PM   #113 
           - sad  iverglas   Aug-02-09 04:59 PM   #114 
              - Well, keep smacking yourself then  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 05:38 PM   #118 
     - It's illegal to cross into the US with a kilo of cocaine  rl6214   Aug-02-09 10:00 PM   #123 
     - After re-reading the bill as it's written...  eqfan592   Jul-29-09 04:36 PM   #16 
        - ah, if only you could see post 29  iverglas   Jul-29-09 05:14 PM   #31 
  - Because violating another nation's political laws should not deny a  Hoopla Phil   Jul-29-09 04:06 PM   #6 
  - what's that now?  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:25 PM   #10 
     - Wow, just go ahead a make shit up. Seems to work real good for you.  Hoopla Phil   Jul-29-09 04:42 PM   #17 
     - I'll try it someday; meanwhile, you remain the master  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:55 PM   #20 
        - Blaw blaw blaw. Isn't that how so many of your posts start? LOL  Hoopla Phil   Jul-29-09 05:15 PM   #34 
     - Armed robbery isn't a "political law"  Angleae   Jul-29-09 04:55 PM   #21 
        - gosh, no shit  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:58 PM   #23 
           - Burden of proof  derby378   Jul-29-09 05:03 PM   #27 
              - Q. Where does it say that?  iverglas   Jul-29-09 05:13 PM   #30 
                 - "if the convicted person establishes.."  X_Digger   Jul-29-09 05:19 PM   #36 
                    - I do beg your pardon  iverglas   Jul-29-09 05:39 PM   #38 
                       - Asked and answered.  X_Digger   Jul-29-09 06:04 PM   #40 
                          - nah  iverglas   Jul-29-09 06:16 PM   #41 
                             - Where is this magic IF you keep refering to?  Statistical   Jul-29-09 10:36 PM   #49 
                                - right  iverglas   Jul-30-09 10:07 AM   #55 
                                   - Well I doubt Feinstein will listen to me but I will write my senator.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 10:14 AM   #57 
                                      - here's some wording for you  iverglas   Jul-30-09 11:10 AM   #61 
  - Because thats not a choice at all.  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 10:32 AM   #103 
     - you're absolutely right  iverglas   Aug-02-09 04:33 PM   #109 
        - I will tell you what, iver, here's a compromise  rd_kent   Aug-03-09 02:16 PM   #125 
  - Looks good on it's face BUT, how many D.U. members could/would  Hoopla Phil   Jul-29-09 04:04 PM   #4 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-29-09 04:34 PM   #15 
  - As noted, the conviction would have to be for something also illegal in the U.S.  Euromutt   Jul-31-09 05:26 AM   #82 
  - once again, lovely to see all the good sense here  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:18 PM   #7 
  - And how about you address the points people ACTUALLY raised?  TheWraith   Jul-29-09 04:23 PM   #8 
  - how about you address what I already said?  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:25 PM   #11 
  - Probably cause posting flame bait is much easier for a lawyer. Try to anger  Hoopla Phil   Jul-29-09 04:49 PM   #19 
     - "Try to anger your opponent into saying something stupid."  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:59 PM   #25 
        - Odd, it was about the same time you entered. . .  Hoopla Phil   Jul-29-09 05:14 PM   #32 
  - For starters, remember those two journalists kidnapped by North Korean soldiers?  derby378   Jul-29-09 04:24 PM   #9 
  - for starters, why don't you try reading what you posted?  iverglas   Jul-29-09 04:29 PM   #12 
     - No snarkiness is warranted - it's all a matter of burden of proof  derby378   Jul-29-09 04:47 PM   #18 
        - that's twice now  iverglas   Jul-29-09 05:15 PM   #33 
           - WTF? How else could it be interperted?  Statistical   Jul-30-09 10:30 AM   #60 
              - what I'm not getting  iverglas   Jul-30-09 11:12 AM   #62 
                 - That would be upon govt agencies to comply with the law.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 11:24 AM   #65 
  - I'm on board in the case of felonies  AtheistCrusader   Jul-29-09 05:01 PM   #26 
  - I guess being from Canada you don't quite understand the FUNDAMENTALS of our system  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 10:49 AM   #105 
     - you guess wrong  iverglas   Aug-02-09 04:19 PM   #107 
        - Im confused now  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 04:43 PM   #112 
           - I wouldn't know  iverglas   Aug-02-09 05:07 PM   #115 
              - If you dont know, then why are you weiging in on the subject  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 05:34 PM   #117 
                 - sorry you failed to understand a single thing  iverglas   Aug-02-09 06:54 PM   #120 
                    - No, I think its you who failed to understand  rd_kent   Aug-03-09 12:07 AM   #124 
  - I oppose this bill.  gorfle   Jul-29-09 04:56 PM   #22 
  - because you think you can just keep pretending it doesn't say what it says  iverglas   Jul-29-09 05:16 PM   #35 
     - It is possible to be charged with a crime in foreign country that is also a crime in the US and ...  Statistical   Jul-29-09 10:15 PM   #47 
        - sigh  iverglas   Jul-30-09 10:06 AM   #54 
           - Let me help you with the highlighting you started 6 words too late.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 10:21 AM   #58 
              - thanks all the same, but I was addressing what you actually said  iverglas   Jul-30-09 11:16 AM   #63 
                 - The persons entering stuff into the NICS is not above the law.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 11:38 AM   #67 
                    - and I don't doubt for a second that you are 100% sincere  iverglas   Jul-30-09 12:09 PM   #69 
                       - I think the language issue we are in agreement with  Statistical   Jul-30-09 12:25 PM   #72 
                          - hand-wringing  iverglas   Jul-30-09 12:41 PM   #76 
                             - Not would but could.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 12:50 PM   #78 
                                - nope  iverglas   Jul-30-09 12:53 PM   #79 
                                   - It "could" be tweaked in committe.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 12:56 PM   #81 
  - I don't think this is a bad idea. n/t  Raskolnik   Jul-29-09 05:10 PM   #29 
  - Given that we would be....  eqfan592   Jul-29-09 05:30 PM   #37 
  - look! over here! evidence!  iverglas   Jul-29-09 05:43 PM   #39 
     - I get the nagging feeling that one way or another, this already exists  AtheistCrusader   Jul-29-09 07:04 PM   #42 
        - I would feel better about it...  eqfan592   Jul-29-09 07:06 PM   #43 
           - I imagine the process would be the same as a US felon getting voting rights restored.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-29-09 07:15 PM   #44 
              - but c'mon  iverglas   Jul-29-09 07:41 PM   #45 
              - Of course not.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-30-09 01:08 AM   #51 
                 - That isn't what the bill proposes.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 01:31 AM   #53 
                    - What?  AtheistCrusader   Jul-30-09 12:18 PM   # 
                       - So violation of due process until you appeal (assumming you have time & money) is ok?  Statistical   Jul-30-09 12:29 PM   #73 
                       - The bone of contention is the burden of proof  Euromutt   Aug-02-09 05:51 PM   #119 
              - Why would you imagine that?  Statistical   Jul-29-09 10:17 PM   #48 
                 - No, but there are some circumstances where a felon can get firearms rights restored too.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-30-09 01:04 AM   #50 
                    - Restoring firearms right is FAR FAR FAR more difficult than voting rights.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 01:28 AM   #52 
                       - In some jurisdictions, perhaps, but not all.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-30-09 12:15 PM   #70 
  - Feinenstein reminds me of Charlie. nt  Tejas   Jul-29-09 09:17 PM   #46 
  - So a woman from Iran who was convicted of drinking a beer in a bar would be barred from owning a gun  slackmaster   Jul-30-09 10:12 AM   #56 
  - Of course iverglass will tell you said person could appeal it so that makes it ok.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 10:23 AM   #59 
  - so you really think that your authorities are going to enter an Iranian conviction for drinking beer  iverglas   Jul-30-09 11:17 AM   #64 
     - How isn't the point. The fact that it can is.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 11:29 AM   #66 
        - any evidence needed for something to get entered in NICS?  iverglas   Jul-30-09 12:07 PM   #68 
           - Not the same issue. There will be evidence. A conviction in a foreign court.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 12:18 PM   #71 
              - "There will be evidence. A conviction in a foreign court."  iverglas   Jul-30-09 12:34 PM   #74 
                 - That sounds about right....  Statistical   Jul-30-09 12:41 PM   #75 
                    - yes  iverglas   Jul-30-09 12:48 PM   #77 
                       - Well I should mark my calender because we are closer on an issue than we have ever been before.  Statistical   Jul-30-09 12:54 PM   #80 
  - Yeah, like those dangerous felons  JonQ   Jul-31-09 11:50 AM   #83 
  - I think any law barring foreign-convicted felons needs to be more comprehensive  derby378   Jul-31-09 01:41 PM   #84 
  - especially if they read as badly as you do  iverglas   Jul-31-09 01:55 PM   #85 
  - Several issues  JonQ   Jul-31-09 02:24 PM   #86 
     - "issues"  iverglas   Jul-31-09 04:31 PM   #89 
        - Yes, for some reason you believe  JonQ   Jul-31-09 09:12 PM   #92 
           - evidently, for some reason YOU believe ...  iverglas   Aug-01-09 10:22 PM   #97 
              - My mistake, in fact you believe that the world consists of the US  JonQ   Aug-01-09 10:43 PM   #100 
                 - listen, you are sadly ignorant  iverglas   Aug-01-09 10:46 PM   #101 
                    - I fear you are beyond enlightenment  JonQ   Aug-02-09 10:58 AM   #106 
                       - "victimized"?  iverglas   Aug-02-09 04:36 PM   #111 
                          - It bores you  JonQ   Aug-02-09 05:33 PM   #116 
                             - do you imagine  iverglas   Aug-02-09 06:55 PM   #121 
                                - Um, we don't interact anywhere else  JonQ   Aug-02-09 09:26 PM   #122 
  - I thought that "any court" included foreign courts -- I seem to remember some case...  aikoaiko   Jul-31-09 02:40 PM   #88 
  - This would be a good idea  rd_kent   Jul-31-09 02:27 PM   #87 
  - how about those of us who have gone you several better?  iverglas   Jul-31-09 04:38 PM   #90 
     - Im not arguing that our system is better than another.  rd_kent   Aug-01-09 11:34 AM   #93 
     - yes, and I'm still asking  iverglas   Aug-01-09 10:13 PM   #95 
        - But thats extradition, which is due process  rd_kent   Aug-02-09 10:29 AM   #102 
           - read the thread, please  iverglas   Aug-02-09 04:34 PM   #110 
     - I didn't realize canada was the only other country in the world  JonQ   Aug-01-09 05:02 PM   #94 
        - how absolutely fascinating!  iverglas   Aug-01-09 10:18 PM   #96 
           - So the fact that some countries  JonQ   Aug-01-09 10:40 PM   #99 
  - So basically the poor immigrant trying to escape a tryannical country  Endangered Specie   Jul-31-09 08:47 PM   #91 
     - so basically you  iverglas   Aug-01-09 10:23 PM   #98 
 

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