iverglas
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Wed Jul-29-09 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
| 35. because you think you can just keep pretending it doesn't say what it says |
| -Feinstein introduces bill to keep guns out of those convicted of felonies overseas |
derby378 |
Jul-29-09 03:36 PM |
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If Feinstein is convicted of war profiteering will shel be able to keep her concealed weapon permit? |
tularetom |
Jul-29-09 03:45 PM |
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Why not! |
divideandconquer |
Jul-29-09 03:54 PM |
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Because should your rights in your home nation be dictated.... |
eqfan592 |
Jul-29-09 03:59 PM |
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Here's an interesting case to consider... |
derby378 |
Jul-29-09 04:04 PM |
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Wow.... |
eqfan592 |
Jul-29-09 04:31 PM |
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hmm |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:33 PM |
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A kilo of cocaine is not legal in Mexico. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-29-09 04:58 PM |
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so? |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 05:09 PM |
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Nice strawman, iverglas |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 10:34 AM |
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here's a dictionary |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 04:27 PM |
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Really? |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 04:47 PM |
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sad |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 04:59 PM |
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Well, keep smacking yourself then |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 05:38 PM |
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It's illegal to cross into the US with a kilo of cocaine |
rl6214 |
Aug-02-09 10:00 PM |
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After re-reading the bill as it's written... |
eqfan592 |
Jul-29-09 04:36 PM |
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ah, if only you could see post 29 |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 05:14 PM |
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Because violating another nation's political laws should not deny a |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-29-09 04:06 PM |
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what's that now? |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:25 PM |
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Wow, just go ahead a make shit up. Seems to work real good for you. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-29-09 04:42 PM |
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I'll try it someday; meanwhile, you remain the master |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:55 PM |
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Blaw blaw blaw. Isn't that how so many of your posts start? LOL |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-29-09 05:15 PM |
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Armed robbery isn't a "political law" |
Angleae |
Jul-29-09 04:55 PM |
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gosh, no shit |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:58 PM |
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Burden of proof |
derby378 |
Jul-29-09 05:03 PM |
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Q. Where does it say that? |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 05:13 PM |
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"if the convicted person establishes.." |
X_Digger |
Jul-29-09 05:19 PM |
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I do beg your pardon |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 05:39 PM |
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Asked and answered. |
X_Digger |
Jul-29-09 06:04 PM |
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nah |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 06:16 PM |
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Where is this magic IF you keep refering to? |
Statistical |
Jul-29-09 10:36 PM |
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right |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 10:07 AM |
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Well I doubt Feinstein will listen to me but I will write my senator. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 10:14 AM |
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here's some wording for you |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 11:10 AM |
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Because thats not a choice at all. |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 10:32 AM |
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you're absolutely right |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 04:33 PM |
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I will tell you what, iver, here's a compromise |
rd_kent |
Aug-03-09 02:16 PM |
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Looks good on it's face BUT, how many D.U. members could/would |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-29-09 04:04 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jul-29-09 04:34 PM |
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As noted, the conviction would have to be for something also illegal in the U.S. |
Euromutt |
Jul-31-09 05:26 AM |
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once again, lovely to see all the good sense here |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:18 PM |
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And how about you address the points people ACTUALLY raised? |
TheWraith |
Jul-29-09 04:23 PM |
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how about you address what I already said? |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:25 PM |
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Probably cause posting flame bait is much easier for a lawyer. Try to anger |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-29-09 04:49 PM |
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"Try to anger your opponent into saying something stupid." |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:59 PM |
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Odd, it was about the same time you entered. . . |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-29-09 05:14 PM |
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For starters, remember those two journalists kidnapped by North Korean soldiers? |
derby378 |
Jul-29-09 04:24 PM |
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for starters, why don't you try reading what you posted? |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 04:29 PM |
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No snarkiness is warranted - it's all a matter of burden of proof |
derby378 |
Jul-29-09 04:47 PM |
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that's twice now |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 05:15 PM |
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WTF? How else could it be interperted? |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 10:30 AM |
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what I'm not getting |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 11:12 AM |
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That would be upon govt agencies to comply with the law. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 11:24 AM |
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I'm on board in the case of felonies |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-29-09 05:01 PM |
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I guess being from Canada you don't quite understand the FUNDAMENTALS of our system |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 10:49 AM |
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you guess wrong |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 04:19 PM |
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Im confused now |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 04:43 PM |
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I wouldn't know |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 05:07 PM |
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If you dont know, then why are you weiging in on the subject |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 05:34 PM |
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sorry you failed to understand a single thing |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 06:54 PM |
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No, I think its you who failed to understand |
rd_kent |
Aug-03-09 12:07 AM |
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I oppose this bill. |
gorfle |
Jul-29-09 04:56 PM |
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because you think you can just keep pretending it doesn't say what it says |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 05:16 PM |
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It is possible to be charged with a crime in foreign country that is also a crime in the US and ... |
Statistical |
Jul-29-09 10:15 PM |
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sigh |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 10:06 AM |
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Let me help you with the highlighting you started 6 words too late. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 10:21 AM |
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thanks all the same, but I was addressing what you actually said |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 11:16 AM |
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The persons entering stuff into the NICS is not above the law. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 11:38 AM |
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and I don't doubt for a second that you are 100% sincere |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 12:09 PM |
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I think the language issue we are in agreement with |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 12:25 PM |
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hand-wringing |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 12:41 PM |
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Not would but could. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 12:50 PM |
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nope |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 12:53 PM |
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It "could" be tweaked in committe. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 12:56 PM |
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I don't think this is a bad idea. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Jul-29-09 05:10 PM |
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Given that we would be.... |
eqfan592 |
Jul-29-09 05:30 PM |
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look! over here! evidence! |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 05:43 PM |
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I get the nagging feeling that one way or another, this already exists |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-29-09 07:04 PM |
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I would feel better about it... |
eqfan592 |
Jul-29-09 07:06 PM |
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I imagine the process would be the same as a US felon getting voting rights restored. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-29-09 07:15 PM |
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but c'mon |
iverglas |
Jul-29-09 07:41 PM |
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Of course not. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-30-09 01:08 AM |
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That isn't what the bill proposes. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 01:31 AM |
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What? |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-30-09 12:18 PM |
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So violation of due process until you appeal (assumming you have time & money) is ok? |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 12:29 PM |
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The bone of contention is the burden of proof |
Euromutt |
Aug-02-09 05:51 PM |
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Why would you imagine that? |
Statistical |
Jul-29-09 10:17 PM |
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No, but there are some circumstances where a felon can get firearms rights restored too. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-30-09 01:04 AM |
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Restoring firearms right is FAR FAR FAR more difficult than voting rights. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 01:28 AM |
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In some jurisdictions, perhaps, but not all. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-30-09 12:15 PM |
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Feinenstein reminds me of Charlie. nt |
Tejas |
Jul-29-09 09:17 PM |
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So a woman from Iran who was convicted of drinking a beer in a bar would be barred from owning a gun |
slackmaster |
Jul-30-09 10:12 AM |
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Of course iverglass will tell you said person could appeal it so that makes it ok. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 10:23 AM |
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so you really think that your authorities are going to enter an Iranian conviction for drinking beer |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 11:17 AM |
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How isn't the point. The fact that it can is. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 11:29 AM |
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any evidence needed for something to get entered in NICS? |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 12:07 PM |
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Not the same issue. There will be evidence. A conviction in a foreign court. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 12:18 PM |
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"There will be evidence. A conviction in a foreign court." |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 12:34 PM |
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That sounds about right.... |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 12:41 PM |
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yes |
iverglas |
Jul-30-09 12:48 PM |
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Well I should mark my calender because we are closer on an issue than we have ever been before. |
Statistical |
Jul-30-09 12:54 PM |
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Yeah, like those dangerous felons |
JonQ |
Jul-31-09 11:50 AM |
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I think any law barring foreign-convicted felons needs to be more comprehensive |
derby378 |
Jul-31-09 01:41 PM |
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especially if they read as badly as you do |
iverglas |
Jul-31-09 01:55 PM |
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Several issues |
JonQ |
Jul-31-09 02:24 PM |
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"issues" |
iverglas |
Jul-31-09 04:31 PM |
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Yes, for some reason you believe |
JonQ |
Jul-31-09 09:12 PM |
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evidently, for some reason YOU believe ... |
iverglas |
Aug-01-09 10:22 PM |
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My mistake, in fact you believe that the world consists of the US |
JonQ |
Aug-01-09 10:43 PM |
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listen, you are sadly ignorant |
iverglas |
Aug-01-09 10:46 PM |
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I fear you are beyond enlightenment |
JonQ |
Aug-02-09 10:58 AM |
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"victimized"? |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 04:36 PM |
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It bores you |
JonQ |
Aug-02-09 05:33 PM |
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do you imagine |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 06:55 PM |
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Um, we don't interact anywhere else |
JonQ |
Aug-02-09 09:26 PM |
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I thought that "any court" included foreign courts -- I seem to remember some case... |
aikoaiko |
Jul-31-09 02:40 PM |
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This would be a good idea |
rd_kent |
Jul-31-09 02:27 PM |
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how about those of us who have gone you several better? |
iverglas |
Jul-31-09 04:38 PM |
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Im not arguing that our system is better than another. |
rd_kent |
Aug-01-09 11:34 AM |
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yes, and I'm still asking |
iverglas |
Aug-01-09 10:13 PM |
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But thats extradition, which is due process |
rd_kent |
Aug-02-09 10:29 AM |
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read the thread, please |
iverglas |
Aug-02-09 04:34 PM |
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I didn't realize canada was the only other country in the world |
JonQ |
Aug-01-09 05:02 PM |
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how absolutely fascinating! |
iverglas |
Aug-01-09 10:18 PM |
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So the fact that some countries |
JonQ |
Aug-01-09 10:40 PM |
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So basically the poor immigrant trying to escape a tryannical country |
Endangered Specie |
Jul-31-09 08:47 PM |
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so basically you |
iverglas |
Aug-01-09 10:23 PM |
#98 |
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