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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. There are two forms of it.
There is a positive statement of 'Castle Doctrine' that actively protects defensive gun use in certain circumstances, and there is a softer form of it, where the state has no 'duty to retreat' law. Some American states do, some do not.

In the states with no 'duty to retreat' and no 'castle doctrine', the burden of proof is still generally on the DA to establish that the person who fired in self defense feared for their life. (and then there's the compounding of whether or not the state has a 'justifiable homicide' or 'excusable homicide' statute (washington state has both)

So, anyway, hurf blurf aside, some states have effectively had 'castle doctrine' like law and legal precedent, long before the actual so-named laws started cropping up.
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  -time for another "defensive gun use" thread iverglas  Jul-09-09 08:17 PM   #0 
  - ...  xchrom   Jul-09-09 08:25 PM   #1 
  - you didn't understand that at all, did you?  iverglas   Jul-09-09 08:30 PM   #3 
  - thanks for the survey  provis99   Jul-09-09 08:26 PM   #2 
  - forgive my snickering  iverglas   Jul-09-09 08:48 PM   #4 
  - What did you expect?  LAGC   Jul-10-09 08:23 PM   #33 
  - As a lifelong gun owner, may I say that this thread is about as useful as a JPEG of popcorn?  Richard Steele   Jul-09-09 09:06 PM   #5 
  - Serious question.  Statistical   Jul-09-09 09:27 PM   #6 
  - Do you think the sample size might be too small?  TXRAT2   Jul-09-09 09:40 PM   #7 
  - a re-re-incarnation??  iverglas   Jul-09-09 10:21 PM   #8 
  - It was the defensive gun use I was questioning.  TXRAT2   Jul-11-09 10:26 PM   #35 
     - and I was, obscurely,  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:13 PM   #38 
  - Belated Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Jul-10-09 03:06 PM   #30 
  - what was Kleck's sample size?  iverglas   Jul-09-09 10:29 PM   #10 
     - Why were the police, security guards and military excluded?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jul-09-09 10:36 PM   #13 
     - LOL  TPaine7   Jul-10-09 03:02 PM   #29 
        - you don't understand this stuff, do you?  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:32 PM   #40 
           - Wow.. you must be off your game tonight..  X_Digger   Jul-14-09 08:03 PM   #47 
           - your problem isn't mine  iverglas   Jul-14-09 08:45 PM   #49 
           - Good point iverglas!!!  TPaine7   Jul-14-09 10:43 PM   #51 
  - Great, meaningless surveys to go along with my meaningless anecdotes.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jul-09-09 10:22 PM   #9 
  - you go ahead and unrecommend it now, Dave  iverglas   Jul-09-09 10:30 PM   #11 
     - Surely you must know me better than that. Stifling debate in that way is downright un-American.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jul-09-09 10:33 PM   #12 
  - The most interesting part...  spin   Jul-10-09 12:10 AM   #14 
  - interesting to anybody who's been living under a rock, I guess  iverglas   Jul-10-09 12:18 AM   #15 
  - Oops, the statement was...  spin   Jul-10-09 12:36 AM   #17 
  - well I can't recommend it ;)  iverglas   Jul-10-09 01:06 AM   #19 
     - Rebooted and tried again...  spin   Jul-10-09 02:01 AM   #25 
  - There are two forms of it.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-10-09 01:06 AM   #18 
  - oh, let's not start (ed)  iverglas   Jul-10-09 01:10 AM   #21 
     - correct on both counts  AtheistCrusader   Jul-10-09 01:35 AM   #23 
  - "Obviously, all of that applies in spades to Kleck"  TPaine7   Jul-10-09 03:11 PM   #31 
  - fyi  iverglas   Jul-10-09 12:21 AM   #16 
     - The sample size is too small to determine...  spin   Jul-10-09 01:07 AM   #20 
        - and once again  iverglas   Jul-10-09 01:17 AM   #22 
           - I think you will agree that...  spin   Jul-10-09 01:56 AM   #24 
              - I think we're pretending the survey was something it wasn't  iverglas   Jul-10-09 02:02 AM   #26 
  - This looks to be the first "less than zero" thread here in the Gungeon  ProgressiveProfessor   Jul-10-09 11:34 AM   #27 
  - It was a very strong entry in the "less than zero" category.  TPaine7   Jul-10-09 03:13 PM   #32 
  - sorry, I beat you to that  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:35 PM   #41 
  - Yawn...  TPaine7   Jul-10-09 02:49 PM   #28 
  - "Hemenway--isn't he the guy who compared defensive gun uses to alien abductions?"  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:37 PM   #42 
     - Yawn...  TPaine7   Jul-14-09 09:43 PM   #50 
        - "Apparently he didn't compare DGUs to alien abductions but to alien encounters. "  iverglas   Jul-15-09 10:09 AM   #53 
           - How's your nose, iverglas?  TPaine7   Jul-15-09 03:49 PM   #54 
              - not impeding my view of the pixels, unlike yours?  iverglas   Jul-15-09 05:02 PM   #56 
                 - You are so confused  TPaine7   Jul-15-09 11:31 PM   #58 
  - Does the method section say whether or not the respondents were told their stories  aikoaiko   Jul-10-09 11:18 PM   #34 
  - you'd have to read that  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:38 PM   #43 
  - To what fruitation does this survey lend itself?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jul-13-09 08:47 AM   #36 
  - ya got me there  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:39 PM   #44 
  - best I can do on that first bit  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:42 PM   #45 
  - This is all I need to know about defensive gun use.  gorfle   Jul-13-09 09:43 AM   #37 
     - Wow, deciding public policy on the basis of two videos  jgraz   Jul-14-09 07:15 PM   #39 
     - and a hokey one at that  iverglas   Jul-14-09 07:53 PM   #46 
        - But she didn't get to shoot anybody!!!!1111  jgraz   Jul-14-09 11:11 PM   #52 
     - right, well I was finally bored enough to "watch" them  iverglas   Jul-14-09 08:07 PM   #48 
     - Some people are having trouble understanding the difference between  TPaine7   Jul-15-09 03:56 PM   #55 
        - actually  iverglas   Jul-15-09 05:05 PM   #57 
           - I fully recognize the relationship  TPaine7   Jul-16-09 12:14 AM   #59 
              - dang, I missed this  iverglas   Jul-19-09 04:18 PM   #60 

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