Reply #88: Only one study is that low 14 OTHERS have a much smaller range.

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Did you ever consider the 80K is an outlier or was flawed?

The majority of DGU studies were not by "gun zealots" they were by the govt, the media (same media that calls any rifle an ASSAULT WEAPON) and by universities. Not exactly NRA boosters.

The NCVS reached an 80,000 number by not asking about guns.

Yeah that is right you can look at the survey there is not a single question about using a firearm to defend yourself.

Instead they ask the respondent to state anything they did to end the attack.

Couple problems there.
Without a yes or no response people often won't volunteer most information.
Second the person taking the survey has identified themselves as working for the govt.

Not a HUGE leap to realize some people wouldn't volunteer information to govt agents about their use of firearms.
Some may not have reported the crime.
Some may not be sure what they did was lawful (maybe it is but they aren't aware of their rights).
Some may not want to provide detailed information to a govt agent.

Also the NCVS doesn't ask any followup questions. If someone responds with "my neighbor scared the burgular off" there is no followup "how". in which case they may explain "he came out with a shotgun and the man ran off".

If/when the NCVS has questions like the following then we can talk about the validity of the NCVS:
#) Did you use a weapon to defend yourself from this crime? Yes/No
#a) Please select the weapon used a) handgun, b)rifle, c)shotgun, etc.