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83. If firearm manufacturers have this crystal ball...
that tells them exactly how many "units they need to meet demand", then the ball must have software problems.

My son in laws Christmas present, a Ruger .380 acp pistol was on back order for so many months that it became his Christmas and birthday present.

I'm sure that the firearms manufacturers were caught off guard by the skyrocketing demand brought on by Obama's campaign and his election and the occasional anti-gun quotes of some of his administration and liberal members of Congress.

This trend started in 2008.

USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army
Law abiding US citizens bought on average 3,177,256 guns every 3 months in 2008.


You also bought 1,529,635,000 rounds of ammunition in just the month of December 2008. Yeah that is right, that is Billion with a B. This number takes no accounting of reloading or reloaded ammunition.

This is an evaluation of overall firearms and ammunition purchases based on low end numbers per Federal NIC instacheck data base Statistics. The numbers presented are only PART of the overall numbers of arms and ammunition that have been sold. The actual numbers are much higher. /

Firearms and ammo are still flying off the shelf in 2009.

And of course I believe that registration = confiscation.

Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. (Same source as previous paragraph) The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city. (NRA/ILA Fact Sheet: Firearms Registration: New York City's Lesson)

More recently, California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles (SKS Sporters) and declared that any such weapons registered during that period were illegal. (California Penal Code, Chapter 2.3, Roberti-Ross Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 section 12281(f) ) In addition, California has prohibited certain semi-automatic long-rifles and pistols. Those guns currently owned, must be registered, and upon the death of the owner, either surrendered or moved out of state. (FAQ #13 from the California DOJ Firearms Division Page)

It's hard to convince gun owners of the value of any registration scheme when they can remember how such programs have been exploited by gun grabbing politicians in the past.

True, I have "covered every industry talking point". And you have done a good job of presenting the Brady Campaign's agenda.

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        - Start you own thread then. It is in very bad taste to stomp on a persons thread.  Hoopla Phil   Jun-18-09 12:10 PM   #12 
        - Yes, please don't post anything undermining the central point of the OP  jgraz   Jun-18-09 12:50 PM   #18 
        - You can argue the merits of the O.P. but it is against D.U. rules  Hoopla Phil   Jun-18-09 01:21 PM   #22 
           - So alert and see what happens  jgraz   Jun-18-09 02:22 PM   #24 
              - You're right...  Deadric Damodred   Jun-18-09 03:49 PM   #33 
              - It's not my story, but thanks for playing  jgraz   Jun-18-09 04:11 PM   #36 
                 - You've already been shut down...  Deadric Damodred   Jun-18-09 04:47 PM   #37 
                 - Ah, so you're just a harmless blowhard.  jgraz   Jun-18-09 05:21 PM   #41 
                 - That's ok...  Deadric Damodred   Jun-18-09 05:27 PM   #42 
                    - No, really, we get it. Blowhard.  jgraz   Jun-18-09 05:31 PM   #43 
                 - He's familiar with the "Reality Distortion Field", thanks to a former employer  friendly_iconoclast   Jun-18-09 07:15 PM   #50 
                 - If it's not your story then why do you continue to take up for it?  Hoopla Phil   Jun-18-09 10:35 PM   #58 
              - My, why thank you for you unsolicited input. I'll give it the do consideration it deserves.  Hoopla Phil   Jun-18-09 10:34 PM   #57 
              - Looks like the mods gave your alert the *due* consideration it deserved  jgraz   Jun-18-09 11:56 PM   #59 
                 - Perhaps you are not entirely correct on your assumptions. LOL!  Hoopla Phil   Jun-19-09 12:12 AM   #60 
              - Anecdotal evidence does do one thing.  gorfle   Jun-19-09 09:46 AM   #73 
              - Ah, you know what all that gets you.  iverglas   Jun-19-09 12:28 PM   #100 
                 - Here's what it gets you.  gorfle   Jun-19-09 12:56 PM   #104 
              - Anecdotal stuff is poor evidence; I see gun controllers using it all the time (nt)  SteveM   Jun-26-09 08:27 AM   #135 
        - Like the nuts with pictures of aborted fetuses, he's doing "God's Work"  friendly_iconoclast   Jun-18-09 07:07 PM   #48 
           - Really? Do elaborate.  iverglas   Jun-18-09 07:12 PM   #49 
              - Wot, *you're* not familiar with the fetus fetishists?  friendly_iconoclast   Jun-18-09 07:24 PM   #52 
                 - a reasonable person  iverglas   Jun-18-09 07:50 PM   #53 
                    - Like THIS reasonable person  Hoopla Phil   Jun-19-09 12:16 AM   #61 
        - By posting an absurd thread of your own.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jun-18-09 03:44 PM   #31 
  - Now that's what I call a real escort service!  Adsos Letter   Jun-18-09 11:38 AM   #4 
  - WOW! 77 year old woman wins. What Sam Colt said was true.  Tim01   Jun-18-09 11:44 AM   #6 
  - Not bad... could use a little more stuffing around the shoulders  jgraz   Jun-18-09 11:52 AM   #9 
  - I suppose some poor souls need the sarcasm tag.  TPaine7   Jun-18-09 12:41 PM   #16 
     - You were using sarcasm to make a serious point  jgraz   Jun-18-09 12:49 PM   #17 
        - No let me correct it  Statistical   Jun-18-09 02:29 PM   #25 
           - prove it.  jgraz   Jun-18-09 02:32 PM   #26 
              - Who said anything about deaths.  Statistical   Jun-18-09 02:46 PM   #27 
                 - The Kleck study has been thoroughly debunked  jgraz   Jun-18-09 03:06 PM   #28 
                 - First thing we agree on "then we have a HUGE problem with firearm availability to criminals."  Statistical   Jun-18-09 03:18 PM   #29 
                 - You have no idea what my solutions are  jgraz   Jun-18-09 03:39 PM   #30 
                    - O.K. how would you regulate gun manufacturers? ...  spin   Jun-18-09 05:12 PM   #40 
                       - step 1: repeal the PLCAA  jgraz   Jun-18-09 10:00 PM   #56 
                          - The cost of defending against "frivolous" law suits...  spin   Jun-19-09 01:13 AM   #62 
                          - Yep, I think you've covered every industry talking point.  jgraz   Jun-19-09 02:13 AM   #63 
                             - Registration has led to confiscation.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 09:38 AM   #71 
                             - I'm fine with you not supporting registration  jgraz   Jun-19-09 10:04 AM   #78 
                                - Keep telling yourself that.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 10:35 AM   #84 
                                   - This was taken before the latest round of mass shootings  jgraz   Jun-19-09 12:07 PM   #95 
                                      - Pro gun opinions are still gaining.  Tim01   Jun-19-09 12:12 PM   #96 
                                      - Here's one _after_ recent shootings..  X_Digger   Jun-19-09 12:17 PM   #97 
                                         - Not the same poll. Do they have a trend line for their polling?  jgraz   Jun-19-09 12:38 PM   #101 
                                         - Who said anything about less strict?  Statistical   Jun-19-09 01:03 PM   #105 
                                         - So you favor the CA assault weapons ban and the Chicago handgun ban?  jgraz   Jun-19-09 01:46 PM   #111 
                                         - It is possible to leave citizens armed AND do something about the underlying issue  Statistical   Jun-19-09 01:59 PM   #113 
                                         - Please don't race bait and then complain when I respond  jgraz   Jun-19-09 02:11 PM   #116 
                                         - I didn't say that either way.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 02:47 PM   #119 
                                         - No trend line, but do you see..  X_Digger   Jun-19-09 01:12 PM   #107 
                                         - Any uptick quickly faded  Statistical   Jun-19-09 01:40 PM   #110 
                             - On suing firearm manufacturers.  gorfle   Jun-19-09 10:02 AM   #76 
                             - History supports that concept over and over and over.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 10:39 AM   #86 
                             - If firearm manufacturers have this crystal ball...  spin   Jun-19-09 10:35 AM   #83 
                                - You too?  Statistical   Jun-19-09 10:40 AM   #87 
                                   - Yes, I believe we also waited 5 months..  spin   Jun-19-09 10:51 AM   #90 
                                      - Yeah .380 is pretty tought to come by. Harder to get than 9mm or even .45 n/t  Statistical   Jun-19-09 11:56 AM   #93 
                          - What action would they be answering for, exactly?  krispos42   Jun-19-09 02:33 AM   #65 
                          - I still don't get it  DissedByBush   Jun-26-09 12:45 AM   #134 
                 - Tellingly, you ignore the NCJRS report..  X_Digger   Jun-18-09 03:44 PM   #32 
                 - They use the same flawed methodology  jgraz   Jun-18-09 03:56 PM   #34 
                    - Oh ho, now we get to the meat..  X_Digger   Jun-18-09 05:02 PM   #39 
                    - Yes, that's exactly the most ridiculous interpretation of my post that anyone could imagine  jgraz   Jun-18-09 05:51 PM   #45 
                    - Do you throw out crime victimization survey too?  Statistical   Jun-18-09 05:40 PM   #44 
                    - I'm really interested in the answer to this question.  TPaine7   Jun-18-09 05:54 PM   #46 
                    - This isn't rape. It's a self-reported DGU  jgraz   Jun-18-09 05:57 PM   #47 
                       - Sure.  TPaine7   Jun-18-09 07:23 PM   #51 
                          - Holy shit. I think we almost agree.  jgraz   Jun-18-09 08:02 PM   #54 
                    - Oh, what a hoot!  Euromutt   Jun-19-09 03:43 AM   #68 
                       - One study got 80,000, the other got 2.5 MILLION  jgraz   Jun-19-09 09:13 AM   #70 
                          - The studies were over a 25 year period.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 09:41 AM   #72 
                          - Study 1: 80,000. Study 2: 2.5 MILLION  jgraz   Jun-19-09 09:49 AM   #75 
                             - Study 1: "millions killed in sword attacks" published 1430.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 10:03 AM   #77 
                                - You'd better ice your groin after that stretch  jgraz   Jun-19-09 10:05 AM   #79 
                                   - Still they are seperated by a period of time (glad you finally admit that)  Statistical   Jun-19-09 10:23 AM   #81 
                                      - It's not about just accepting that numbers will change  jgraz   Jun-19-09 10:31 AM   #82 
                                         - Only one study is that low 14 OTHERS have a much smaller range.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 10:42 AM   #88 
                                            - 6850 DGUs per day. 285 per hour  jgraz   Jun-19-09 11:04 AM   #91 
                                            - 30,684 violent & property crimes REPORTED each day (per the FBI)  Statistical   Jun-19-09 11:53 AM   #92 
                                            - Please provide a link if you want to have a discussion  jgraz   Jun-19-09 12:05 PM   #94 
                                            - The FBI  Statistical   Jun-19-09 12:55 PM   #103 
                          - you keep leaving out my favourite bits :(  iverglas   Jun-19-09 12:19 PM   #98 
                             - Sorry, there are too many things wrong with that study to keep up  jgraz   Jun-19-09 12:50 PM   #102 
                             - 44 million gun owners doesn't mean 44 million people with access to a gun.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 01:32 PM   #108 
                             - OK, so households with a gun have a 95% chance of a DGU. Does that make any more sense?  jgraz   Jun-19-09 02:02 PM   #115 
                             - You do realize that you would have to survey them all right before death?  TPaine7   Jun-19-09 02:12 PM   #117 
                                - The numbers I ran maxed out at 50 years. 68 is hardly "right before death".  jgraz   Jun-19-09 02:33 PM   #118 
                                   - Hmmm.  TPaine7   Jun-19-09 03:10 PM   #121 
                                      - Whatever the answer, a simple measure of DGUs is not helpful  jgraz   Jun-19-09 03:32 PM   #122 
                                         - The citizen shouldn't have to "explore" other options at the benefit of the criminal.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 03:45 PM   #123 
                                         - Once again, simply saying something does not make it true  jgraz   Jun-19-09 04:02 PM   #124 
                                         - To take something away YOU need to prove it.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 04:18 PM   #125 
                                         - Is there something flimsier than a straw man? Jello-man?... Air-man?  jgraz   Jun-19-09 04:20 PM   #126 
                                         - Jello notwithstanding you are still 0 for 3.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 04:37 PM   #127 
                                         - Throwing the gun after you're out of bullets, eh?  jgraz   Jun-19-09 06:08 PM   #130 
                                         - The odds of "calling the police" actually "preventing the crime" are not much better  TPaine7   Jun-19-09 05:40 PM   #128 
                                            - You don't really know how often a call to police deters crime.  jgraz   Jun-19-09 05:54 PM   #129 
                                            - I guess you missed the distinction my post draws between  TPaine7   Jun-20-09 12:51 AM   #131 
                                            - Hey, it's not like I missed the distinction between "50 years" and "just prior to death"  jgraz   Jun-20-09 10:41 AM   #133 
                             - Maybe in Canada  Statistical   Jun-19-09 01:08 PM   #106 
                                - perhaps you didn't understand what you read  iverglas   Jun-19-09 01:38 PM   #109 
                                   - Once again NOT TRUE  Statistical   Jun-19-09 01:55 PM   #112 
                                      - look up your laws, 'k?  iverglas   Jun-19-09 02:02 PM   #114 
                 - No, it hasn't; not even close  Euromutt   Jun-19-09 03:02 AM   #66 
                    - He's had some of his criticisms addressed before.  TPaine7   Jun-19-09 03:41 AM   #67 
                       - Staying true to form, then  Euromutt   Jun-19-09 03:46 AM   #69 
                       - Yes, apparently unlike you I work for a living and sometimes can't keep up with dozens of responses  jgraz   Jun-19-09 09:47 AM   #74 
                          - Even if there is an issue your conclusion can't be supported.  Statistical   Jun-19-09 10:20 AM   #80 
                             - My only conclusion is that there is no conclusion  jgraz   Jun-19-09 10:36 AM   #85 
                       - funny, eh?  iverglas   Jun-19-09 12:24 PM   #99 
                          - I'm sure TPaine is just formulating a response  jgraz   Jun-19-09 03:03 PM   #120 
                             - Just for you, jgraz  TPaine7   Jun-20-09 02:00 AM   #132 
                 - go grandma nt  votingupstart   Jun-18-09 08:19 PM   #55 
  - The guys a nutjob  zipplewrath   Jun-18-09 11:55 AM   #10 
  - Have you really not seen..  X_Digger   Jun-18-09 12:06 PM   #11 
     - No  zipplewrath   Jun-18-09 12:22 PM   #13 
        - Considering that 90%  X_Digger   Jun-18-09 12:32 PM   #15 
           - God I hope not  zipplewrath   Jun-18-09 12:54 PM   #19 
              - She talked her way out of a bad situation..  X_Digger   Jun-18-09 01:12 PM   #20 
                 - Um, she threatened  zipplewrath   Jun-18-09 01:17 PM   #21 
                    - Escalation of force..  X_Digger   Jun-18-09 01:39 PM   #23 
                       - Disarm  zipplewrath   Jun-18-09 04:06 PM   #35 
                          - I probably would have, too..  X_Digger   Jun-18-09 05:00 PM   #38 
  - Great!  proteus_lives   Jun-18-09 12:29 PM   #14 
  - Oh! how the gun-controllers hate it when someone defends herself with a gun (nt)  SteveM   Jun-26-09 08:44 AM   #136 

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