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Wed Jun-17-09 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #112 |
| 113. well, that wasn't *quite* a proposal |
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I understand. You're new, and you're shy. Are you suggesting that, actually, you don't care about people believing that lethal force is or is not "ok" to use in a given situation, you only care that people want to defend public policy that allows an individual to make that choice?So here's the trick. Don't ask loaded questions. Don't create false dichotomies. Are those really my only two choices? -- - don't care about people believing that lethal force is or is not "ok" to use in a given situation - only care that people want to defend public policy that allows an individual to make that choice ? I don't even know what would have put those two in your head, when there are so many others available that one might readily think of. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/l... Defence of Person
Self-defence against unprovoked assault
34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.
Extent of justification
(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if
(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and
(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.
Preventing assault
37. (1) Every one is justified in using force to defend himself or any one under his protection from assault, if he uses no more force than is necessary to prevent the assault or the repetition of it.
Extent of justification
(2) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to justify the wilful infliction of any hurt or mischief that is excessive, having regard to the nature of the assault that the force used was intended to prevent. Now, it can be easier to say than to apply to a specific situation. But it really is pretty easy to say.
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TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 07:14 PM |
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huh |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 07:50 PM |
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LOL |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 07:59 PM |
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Welcome back |
krispos42 |
Jun-19-09 02:38 AM |
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just a reg'lar woman |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 07:52 PM |
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As a specific example of the aforementioned clueless little old women |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 08:05 PM |
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the term you're forgetting |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 08:14 PM |
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Touché |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 08:19 PM |
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Back tirelessly defending the right of other women to agree with you, I see |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-15-09 10:07 PM |
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and still misrepresenting reality |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 10:10 PM |
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"We all understand that nobody's feeling makes anything so, right?" |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-15-09 10:41 PM |
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forgot to mention ... |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 01:48 PM |
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Now that is funny. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-16-09 11:44 PM |
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To be fair, you said some things that I failed to acknowledge |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 08:36 PM |
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allow me to make an assumption |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 09:04 PM |
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???? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 09:39 PM |
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I hope sombody straightens her out |
rl6214 |
Jun-16-09 10:30 AM |
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I think we may be seeing semantic development in action |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 04:13 PM |
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Interesting point.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-16-09 05:26 PM |
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It's my understanding that women have better |
rrneck |
Jun-16-09 08:49 AM |
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women also tend to be more attentive learners of course there are exceptions to the rule. |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 09:01 AM |
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Better ability to focus and concentrate? |
DonP |
Jun-16-09 11:37 AM |
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I've had the same experience |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 12:08 PM |
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Women don't think they already know it all. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 12:21 PM |
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I seem to have got rusty |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 12:25 PM |
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Perhaps |
Merchant Marine |
Jun-16-09 01:13 PM |
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mmmmmmmmm ... no |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 02:40 PM |
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Pardon me, |
Merchant Marine |
Jun-16-09 03:08 PM |
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well .... |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 03:18 PM |
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That wouldn't be "political" demographics, though, would it? |
benEzra |
Jun-16-09 04:30 PM |
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uh huh |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 04:59 PM |
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Yep. |
rrneck |
Jun-17-09 02:07 AM |
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Implying the Author of Post #13 is a Racist, Eh? |
DrCory |
Jun-17-09 07:23 AM |
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oh, I know just how you feel! |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 08:46 AM |
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That's what you get for being gone so long. Welcome back! n/t |
NewMoonTherian |
Jun-16-09 02:11 PM |
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911 Woman shoots intruder. / Woman not armed |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 12:34 PM |
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A rabbit's foot is just as effective, doncha know? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 12:39 PM |
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And of course dead victims are morally superior to women who shoot rapist/murderers. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 12:43 PM |
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yeah, I know |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 02:41 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-16-09 03:59 PM |
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I think you'd better watch that mouth |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:01 PM |
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Then you are in favor of women being armed with guns. Good. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 05:22 PM |
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"All Americans should support the 2nd amendment." |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:45 PM |
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I don't follow your sidetracks. I have American reality to look at. 2 taped examples. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 07:10 PM |
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ah, the simple man |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 07:54 PM |
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Why don't you take your own advice to heart? |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 06:09 PM |
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so, sweetie |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:11 PM |
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Maybe he should look at |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:19 PM |
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That's going to be a tall order... |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 08:02 PM |
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May I visit your planet please? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 08:23 PM |
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Once again, if you make the assertions, you assume the burden of proof |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 09:42 PM |
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could you please try to keep up |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 10:11 PM |
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"Civilized" |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 02:58 AM |
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Backpedal, backpedal, backpedal... |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 10:13 AM |
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show your work, please |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 11:09 AM |
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Aids, hepatitis, and drug reisistant STDs |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 11:30 AM |
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As requested. |
gorfle |
Jun-18-09 09:01 AM |
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I'm trying to get this clear, really I am |
Euromutt |
Jun-17-09 10:08 PM |
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naaaaaah |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:11 PM |
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Ah, more abuse |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:07 PM |
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nah, sorry |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:17 PM |
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Oh my, a reversal to the normal state of affairs! |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:51 PM |
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hmm |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:55 PM |
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yeah, but I didn't make 'em; too bad, so sad |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 09:28 AM |
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You changed your tune (short-term at least) |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 06:03 PM |
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A sophist may clearly state that |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 08:48 PM |
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Oh man, another bookmark worthy post! |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 09:54 AM |
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ah, if only it were accurate, eh? |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 10:16 AM |
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I've got a proposal for you... |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:11 PM |
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oh dear |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:15 PM |
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My blood pressure's fine, thank you |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:42 PM |
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I would but... |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 09:52 AM |
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You tender, sensitive, principled, saintly soul |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:13 PM |
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and then, of course, there's what we call "the whole truth" |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:17 PM |
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"The Whole Truth" |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:25 PM |
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It's a pertinent example. |
gorfle |
Jun-16-09 05:19 PM |
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huh |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:47 PM |
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Wow. |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 06:16 PM |
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It makes you wonder who's the real mysogynist, doesn't it? N/T |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:33 PM |
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well, me, I'm wondering |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 08:25 PM |
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I would have preferred the scenario where the perp screamed like a Jonas Brothers fan... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-16-09 09:58 PM |
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I'd guess that Tim01 was at least partially right. |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 06:16 PM |
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and now for all the new members of my fan club |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:21 PM |
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I hear Letterman is looking for new material |
Tejas |
Jun-16-09 06:36 PM |
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Ok just to be clear you would pick the scenario where "nobody dies" no matter what the cost? |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 06:37 PM |
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This is unquestionably in iverglas' philosophical neighborhood: |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 07:21 PM |
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aren't you supposedly the wrong sex |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 07:56 PM |
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Good one! |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 08:03 PM |
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Hah! Read one of Elmore Leonard's novels. Guys gossip too. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-16-09 09:30 PM |
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*scratching head...* |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 10:34 AM |
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a brand new fan club member!!! |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 11:47 AM |
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Now that's interesting. |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 12:04 PM |
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snork |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 12:11 PM |
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Then I suggest those people hang around a different crowd... |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 12:14 PM |
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Ah. True. |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 12:20 PM |
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So... |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 12:35 PM |
#112 |
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well, that wasn't *quite* a proposal |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 01:07 PM |
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I'm continually impressed... |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 03:21 PM |
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"lethal force" |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 03:58 PM |
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Thank you! |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 05:23 PM |
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well, I don't know what you disagree about |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 05:56 PM |
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It's ok, you're forgiven. |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 06:25 PM |
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What? |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 06:39 PM |
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oh, sigh |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 06:49 PM |
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Well then why don't you explain what... |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 07:00 PM |
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Tell ya what |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 07:06 PM |
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Na. |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 07:09 PM |
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I prefer the badguy is dead and the innocent woman is not raped. You agree? |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 09:32 PM |
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Are you implying that I agree? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 09:36 PM |
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So you prefer the woman gets raped and the badguy doesn't get hurt. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 09:52 PM |
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wtf? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 10:16 PM |
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You still refuse to just answer the question about your opinion. |
Tim01 |
Jun-17-09 08:05 AM |
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Wow. |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 09:37 AM |
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so let's parse it |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 11:58 AM |
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So parse = change the subject and misrepresent? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-18-09 09:51 AM |
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Excellent |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:12 PM |
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gunowners fancy stories of rape? |
Tejas |
Jun-16-09 06:30 PM |
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Who said that????? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:41 PM |
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You did. Post 26. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 08:07 PM |
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the full content of post 26: |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 08:16 PM |
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Remedial English, anyone? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 09:06 PM |
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Aw, jeez. More word games. This is just entertainment for you isn't it. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 10:15 PM |
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still waiting for the author's answer |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 09:14 PM |
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Quit feigning innocence, |
Tejas |
Jun-17-09 05:43 AM |
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women wouldn't feel they needed guns.... |
Scout |
Jun-16-09 02:49 PM |
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Oh, I get it... |
DonP |
Jun-16-09 03:24 PM |
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75% of rapes and 60% of robberies involve no firearm. |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 03:43 PM |
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More like 97% and 73%, respectively |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 04:19 PM |
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Thanks. n/t |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 04:29 PM |
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This info should have it's own thread. |
Tim01 |
Jun-17-09 10:12 PM |
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oh, by all means! |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:15 PM |
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Wow. No need to to get so emotional. Chill out. nt |
Tim01 |
Jun-18-09 06:59 PM |
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uh, "emotional"? |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:14 PM |
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You don't, actually. |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 11:57 PM |
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would those be the ones committed by fathers, friends, intimate partners ...? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:03 PM |
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You are very uneducated aobut this. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 03:53 PM |
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being patronized by the deceitful and/or dim is always such fun, eh? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:04 PM |
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Do you support a woman's right to choose? |
Merchant Marine |
Jun-16-09 05:37 PM |
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Not if it involves guns |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 02:30 AM |
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Insults and no point. Care to get on topic? |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 05:56 PM |
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ain't that just rich? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:14 PM |
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an average woman is extremely unlikely to be attacked by a "big guy" |
Scout |
Jun-17-09 11:54 AM |
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uh oh, watch out |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 12:03 PM |
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Sorry about your previous abusive relationship |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 04:13 PM |
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it's really very simple |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 04:48 PM |
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It is simple |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 05:34 PM |
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I see you still need a dictionary |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 06:03 PM |
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The rest is boring wordplay and silliness, |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 06:21 PM |
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but, but, but.... |
Scout |
Jun-17-09 06:18 PM |
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It's not up to you, me, or anyone else to decide for a woman what her needs are |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 07:02 PM |
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you too, eh? |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 07:23 PM |
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Actually, I was trying to stick closer to the subject of the OP |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 08:16 PM |
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yeah, i'm sure you're real sorry |
Scout |
Jun-17-09 06:23 PM |
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Again, what does your abusive ex-partner have to do with the women in the OP? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 07:17 PM |
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happy to spell it out |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:52 PM |
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I see. You're threadjacking for a good cause |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-18-09 10:32 PM |
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short and sweet |
iverglas |
Jun-19-09 12:30 PM |
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an invitation! |
iverglas |
Jun-19-09 12:31 PM |
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geee, a story about WOMEN in MICHIGAN getting gun training.... |
Scout |
Jun-19-09 12:55 PM |
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We are not trying to protect you. You protect yourself or not. |
Tim01 |
Jun-17-09 10:29 PM |
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"Don't like guns? Don't get one" |
Scout |
Jun-18-09 04:29 PM |
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There is no need for insults. Did you have a point? nt |
Tim01 |
Jun-18-09 06:16 PM |
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what insult would that be? |
Scout |
Jun-18-09 07:36 PM |
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This isn't about protecting "little women". |
gorfle |
Jun-18-09 09:06 AM |
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Interestingly... |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 10:52 AM |
#101 |