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Tue Jun-16-09 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #72 |
| 80. Once again, if you make the assertions, you assume the burden of proof |
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Now, as to all my bulletproof assertions: would you like to offer any evidence that any of them are false? Care to provide any evidence they're true? Or, for that matter, bulletproof? (I assume you mean "bulletproof" in a metaphorical sense, since it would be impossible to literally shoot holes in them.) I really do think a planet on which those two things look exactly alike would be quite a lot of fun. I don't quite understand what that's supposed to mean, since the two scenarios quite obviously do not look exactly alike. That's the entire point. In one scenario, an innocent person is victimized by a sadistic assailant (with all the concomitant emotional trauma on the victim's part); in the other, such an assailant is effectively halted. Quite different outcomes, I hope you'll agree. (As an aside, let's not assume the the assailant who ended up shot was "only" there to take the woman's material possessions. He sought her out in her hiding place, on the other side of a locked door, strongly indicating that his primary intent was to inflict physical harm on her.) Now, I'm sure everybody here would prefer an outcome in every scenario in which the assailant could reliably be prevented from inflicting harm on his prospective victim without recourse so lethal force. Problem is, the method that would reliably allow that to happen has yet to be developed. That's why law enforcement personnel continue to carry firearms, even though they have an increasing variety of "less lethal" methods (OC, tasers, etc.) at their disposal. So the most desirable outcome cannot be counted upon to be achievable, to put it mildly. No, actually, the most desirable outcome would be no assault occurring in the first place, but the violent crime statistics indicate that we really can't count on that happening. Exactly where that wolf-murderer Palin necessarily comes into this is unclear to me. Why not bring up Eleanor Roosevelt? She carried a revolver while doing civil rights activity in the South.
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| -NPR (Michigan): More Women Getting Gun Training |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 07:14 PM |
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huh |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 07:50 PM |
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LOL |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 07:59 PM |
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Welcome back |
krispos42 |
Jun-19-09 02:38 AM |
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just a reg'lar woman |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 07:52 PM |
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As a specific example of the aforementioned clueless little old women |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 08:05 PM |
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the term you're forgetting |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 08:14 PM |
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Touché |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 08:19 PM |
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Back tirelessly defending the right of other women to agree with you, I see |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-15-09 10:07 PM |
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and still misrepresenting reality |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 10:10 PM |
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"We all understand that nobody's feeling makes anything so, right?" |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-15-09 10:41 PM |
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forgot to mention ... |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 01:48 PM |
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Now that is funny. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jun-16-09 11:44 PM |
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To be fair, you said some things that I failed to acknowledge |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 08:36 PM |
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allow me to make an assumption |
iverglas |
Jun-15-09 09:04 PM |
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???? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 09:39 PM |
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I hope sombody straightens her out |
rl6214 |
Jun-16-09 10:30 AM |
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I think we may be seeing semantic development in action |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 04:13 PM |
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Interesting point.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-16-09 05:26 PM |
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It's my understanding that women have better |
rrneck |
Jun-16-09 08:49 AM |
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women also tend to be more attentive learners of course there are exceptions to the rule. |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 09:01 AM |
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Better ability to focus and concentrate? |
DonP |
Jun-16-09 11:37 AM |
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I've had the same experience |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 12:08 PM |
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Women don't think they already know it all. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 12:21 PM |
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I seem to have got rusty |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 12:25 PM |
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Perhaps |
Merchant Marine |
Jun-16-09 01:13 PM |
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mmmmmmmmm ... no |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 02:40 PM |
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Pardon me, |
Merchant Marine |
Jun-16-09 03:08 PM |
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well .... |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 03:18 PM |
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That wouldn't be "political" demographics, though, would it? |
benEzra |
Jun-16-09 04:30 PM |
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uh huh |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 04:59 PM |
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Yep. |
rrneck |
Jun-17-09 02:07 AM |
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Implying the Author of Post #13 is a Racist, Eh? |
DrCory |
Jun-17-09 07:23 AM |
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oh, I know just how you feel! |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 08:46 AM |
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That's what you get for being gone so long. Welcome back! n/t |
NewMoonTherian |
Jun-16-09 02:11 PM |
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911 Woman shoots intruder. / Woman not armed |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 12:34 PM |
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A rabbit's foot is just as effective, doncha know? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 12:39 PM |
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And of course dead victims are morally superior to women who shoot rapist/murderers. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 12:43 PM |
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yeah, I know |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 02:41 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-16-09 03:59 PM |
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I think you'd better watch that mouth |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:01 PM |
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Then you are in favor of women being armed with guns. Good. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 05:22 PM |
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"All Americans should support the 2nd amendment." |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:45 PM |
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I don't follow your sidetracks. I have American reality to look at. 2 taped examples. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 07:10 PM |
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ah, the simple man |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 07:54 PM |
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Why don't you take your own advice to heart? |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 06:09 PM |
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so, sweetie |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:11 PM |
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Maybe he should look at |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:19 PM |
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That's going to be a tall order... |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 08:02 PM |
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May I visit your planet please? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 08:23 PM |
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Once again, if you make the assertions, you assume the burden of proof |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 09:42 PM |
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could you please try to keep up |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 10:11 PM |
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"Civilized" |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 02:58 AM |
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Backpedal, backpedal, backpedal... |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 10:13 AM |
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show your work, please |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 11:09 AM |
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Aids, hepatitis, and drug reisistant STDs |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 11:30 AM |
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As requested. |
gorfle |
Jun-18-09 09:01 AM |
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I'm trying to get this clear, really I am |
Euromutt |
Jun-17-09 10:08 PM |
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naaaaaah |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:11 PM |
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Ah, more abuse |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:07 PM |
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nah, sorry |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:17 PM |
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Oh my, a reversal to the normal state of affairs! |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:51 PM |
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hmm |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:55 PM |
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yeah, but I didn't make 'em; too bad, so sad |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 09:28 AM |
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You changed your tune (short-term at least) |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 06:03 PM |
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A sophist may clearly state that |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 08:48 PM |
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Oh man, another bookmark worthy post! |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 09:54 AM |
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ah, if only it were accurate, eh? |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 10:16 AM |
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I've got a proposal for you... |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:11 PM |
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oh dear |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:15 PM |
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My blood pressure's fine, thank you |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 07:42 PM |
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I would but... |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 09:52 AM |
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You tender, sensitive, principled, saintly soul |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:13 PM |
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and then, of course, there's what we call "the whole truth" |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:17 PM |
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"The Whole Truth" |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:25 PM |
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It's a pertinent example. |
gorfle |
Jun-16-09 05:19 PM |
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huh |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:47 PM |
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Wow. |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 06:16 PM |
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It makes you wonder who's the real mysogynist, doesn't it? N/T |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 06:33 PM |
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well, me, I'm wondering |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 08:25 PM |
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I would have preferred the scenario where the perp screamed like a Jonas Brothers fan... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-16-09 09:58 PM |
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I'd guess that Tim01 was at least partially right. |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 06:16 PM |
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and now for all the new members of my fan club |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:21 PM |
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I hear Letterman is looking for new material |
Tejas |
Jun-16-09 06:36 PM |
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Ok just to be clear you would pick the scenario where "nobody dies" no matter what the cost? |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 06:37 PM |
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This is unquestionably in iverglas' philosophical neighborhood: |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 07:21 PM |
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aren't you supposedly the wrong sex |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 07:56 PM |
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Good one! |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 08:03 PM |
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Hah! Read one of Elmore Leonard's novels. Guys gossip too. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-16-09 09:30 PM |
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*scratching head...* |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 10:34 AM |
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a brand new fan club member!!! |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 11:47 AM |
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Now that's interesting. |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 12:04 PM |
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snork |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 12:11 PM |
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Then I suggest those people hang around a different crowd... |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 12:14 PM |
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Ah. True. |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 12:20 PM |
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So... |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 12:35 PM |
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well, that wasn't *quite* a proposal |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 01:07 PM |
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I'm continually impressed... |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 03:21 PM |
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"lethal force" |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 03:58 PM |
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Thank you! |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 05:23 PM |
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well, I don't know what you disagree about |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 05:56 PM |
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It's ok, you're forgiven. |
burrfoot |
Jun-17-09 06:25 PM |
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What? |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 06:39 PM |
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oh, sigh |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 06:49 PM |
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Well then why don't you explain what... |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 07:00 PM |
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Tell ya what |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 07:06 PM |
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Na. |
Deadric Damodred |
Jun-17-09 07:09 PM |
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I prefer the badguy is dead and the innocent woman is not raped. You agree? |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 09:32 PM |
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Are you implying that I agree? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 09:36 PM |
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So you prefer the woman gets raped and the badguy doesn't get hurt. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 09:52 PM |
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wtf? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 10:16 PM |
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You still refuse to just answer the question about your opinion. |
Tim01 |
Jun-17-09 08:05 AM |
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Wow. |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 09:37 AM |
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so let's parse it |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 11:58 AM |
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So parse = change the subject and misrepresent? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-18-09 09:51 AM |
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Excellent |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:12 PM |
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gunowners fancy stories of rape? |
Tejas |
Jun-16-09 06:30 PM |
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Who said that????? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:41 PM |
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You did. Post 26. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 08:07 PM |
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the full content of post 26: |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 08:16 PM |
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Remedial English, anyone? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 09:06 PM |
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Aw, jeez. More word games. This is just entertainment for you isn't it. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 10:15 PM |
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still waiting for the author's answer |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 09:14 PM |
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Quit feigning innocence, |
Tejas |
Jun-17-09 05:43 AM |
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women wouldn't feel they needed guns.... |
Scout |
Jun-16-09 02:49 PM |
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Oh, I get it... |
DonP |
Jun-16-09 03:24 PM |
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75% of rapes and 60% of robberies involve no firearm. |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 03:43 PM |
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More like 97% and 73%, respectively |
Euromutt |
Jun-16-09 04:19 PM |
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Thanks. n/t |
Statistical |
Jun-16-09 04:29 PM |
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This info should have it's own thread. |
Tim01 |
Jun-17-09 10:12 PM |
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oh, by all means! |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:15 PM |
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Wow. No need to to get so emotional. Chill out. nt |
Tim01 |
Jun-18-09 06:59 PM |
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uh, "emotional"? |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 07:14 PM |
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You don't, actually. |
Euromutt |
Jun-18-09 11:57 PM |
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would those be the ones committed by fathers, friends, intimate partners ...? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:03 PM |
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You are very uneducated aobut this. |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 03:53 PM |
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being patronized by the deceitful and/or dim is always such fun, eh? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 05:04 PM |
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Do you support a woman's right to choose? |
Merchant Marine |
Jun-16-09 05:37 PM |
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Not if it involves guns |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 02:30 AM |
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Insults and no point. Care to get on topic? |
Tim01 |
Jun-16-09 05:56 PM |
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ain't that just rich? |
iverglas |
Jun-16-09 06:14 PM |
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an average woman is extremely unlikely to be attacked by a "big guy" |
Scout |
Jun-17-09 11:54 AM |
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uh oh, watch out |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 12:03 PM |
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Sorry about your previous abusive relationship |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 04:13 PM |
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it's really very simple |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 04:48 PM |
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It is simple |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 05:34 PM |
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I see you still need a dictionary |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 06:03 PM |
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The rest is boring wordplay and silliness, |
TPaine7 |
Jun-17-09 06:21 PM |
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but, but, but.... |
Scout |
Jun-17-09 06:18 PM |
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It's not up to you, me, or anyone else to decide for a woman what her needs are |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 07:02 PM |
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you too, eh? |
iverglas |
Jun-17-09 07:23 PM |
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Actually, I was trying to stick closer to the subject of the OP |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 08:16 PM |
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yeah, i'm sure you're real sorry |
Scout |
Jun-17-09 06:23 PM |
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Again, what does your abusive ex-partner have to do with the women in the OP? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-17-09 07:17 PM |
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happy to spell it out |
iverglas |
Jun-18-09 06:52 PM |
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I see. You're threadjacking for a good cause |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-18-09 10:32 PM |
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short and sweet |
iverglas |
Jun-19-09 12:30 PM |
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an invitation! |
iverglas |
Jun-19-09 12:31 PM |
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geee, a story about WOMEN in MICHIGAN getting gun training.... |
Scout |
Jun-19-09 12:55 PM |
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We are not trying to protect you. You protect yourself or not. |
Tim01 |
Jun-17-09 10:29 PM |
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"Don't like guns? Don't get one" |
Scout |
Jun-18-09 04:29 PM |
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There is no need for insults. Did you have a point? nt |
Tim01 |
Jun-18-09 06:16 PM |
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what insult would that be? |
Scout |
Jun-18-09 07:36 PM |
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This isn't about protecting "little women". |
gorfle |
Jun-18-09 09:06 AM |
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Interestingly... |
gorfle |
Jun-17-09 10:52 AM |
#101 |