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Sat Jun-13-09 09:51 AM
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Questions:
What was the intended role of militias in the Founders day?
Where are those militias today?
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| -Let’s Assume that Heller was Wrongly Decided |
TPaine7 |
Jun-13-09 05:05 AM |
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There is no RKBA by persons, only a bonafide militia so Heller was mistaken. All states can ban any |
cabluedem |
Jun-13-09 05:19 AM |
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I understand your policy preferences, but... |
TPaine7 |
Jun-13-09 05:23 AM |
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Obama would likely sign such an |
pipoman |
Jun-13-09 07:12 AM |
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So you are correcting the U.S. Supreme court. |
Tim01 |
Jun-13-09 07:51 AM |
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Dred Scott. |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jun-13-09 09:15 AM |
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Actually it almost never happens unless there's a gross injustice. |
TheWraith |
Jun-15-09 02:29 PM |
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Bush vs. Gore? |
Euromutt |
Jun-13-09 02:12 PM |
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Self Delete |
TPaine7 |
Jun-13-09 06:40 PM |
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On militias. |
gorfle |
Jun-13-09 09:51 AM |
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For anyone doing any reading on the subject it is very clear (of course antis don't like history) |
Statistical |
Jun-13-09 11:01 AM |
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Changing the definition of "militia" to suit your wish does not change |
Hoopla Phil |
Jun-13-09 11:31 AM |
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and if they said |
paulsby |
Jun-13-09 01:52 PM |
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I think that is what I said. lol |
Hoopla Phil |
Jun-13-09 06:03 PM |
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And many will ignore the order |
michreject |
Jun-13-09 12:50 PM |
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You contradict yourself. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-13-09 03:02 PM |
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your arguement is an originalist one |
bossy22 |
Jun-13-09 04:33 PM |
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It isn't even an originalist view. |
Statistical |
Jun-13-09 08:06 PM |
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"Assault weapons" are not weapons of war |
rl6214 |
Jun-13-09 06:31 PM |
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You are wrong in SO many ways, it's not even funny. |
TheWraith |
Jun-15-09 02:22 PM |
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Interesting take on the issue.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-13-09 11:11 AM |
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Heller WAS correctly decided. Just look at all the reasons provided |
Hoopla Phil |
Jun-13-09 11:30 AM |
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Hold up.. deeper point |
X_Digger |
Jun-13-09 01:52 PM |
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Exactly. N/T |
TPaine7 |
Jun-13-09 02:21 PM |
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To clarify |
TPaine7 |
Jun-13-09 06:35 PM |
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You got it exactly right. |
Statistical |
Jun-13-09 08:12 PM |
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Where are the usual suspects? |
TPaine7 |
Jun-13-09 02:25 PM |
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settled law |
thread-bear |
Jun-13-09 09:59 PM |
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Individual? Yes. |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 04:00 AM |
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What? A 5-4 decision of the Roberts Court wrongly decided? You must be joking |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 12:59 PM |
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lol. you are sad. not sure which is worse your reinvention of the 2nd or the 14th. |
Statistical |
Jun-14-09 01:32 PM |
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Wow, since you said so, it must be right |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 01:55 PM |
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US? What US? |
Statistical |
Jun-14-09 02:13 PM |
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"Your (sic) the only one clinging to this outdated belief system" |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 03:31 PM |
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Well that is a step in the right direction.... |
Statistical |
Jun-14-09 04:10 PM |
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It's only a step in you understanding what I've been saying from day one |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 05:31 PM |
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I'm glad you and Stevens agree militia members can keep and bear arms |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-14-09 05:11 PM |
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You're forgetting that pesky "well-regulated" bit. |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 05:34 PM |
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oh come on... |
Statistical |
Jun-14-09 07:31 PM |
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Absolutely incorrect |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 10:43 PM |
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Not supported by any evidence.... don't need to go far. |
Statistical |
Jun-14-09 10:55 PM |
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Um... your two examples are identical |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 11:33 PM |
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Hamilton also said it would only be reasonable to assemble them 2x a year |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-14-09 11:55 PM |
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Yes, because the intention was to avoid a professional standing army |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 09:58 AM |
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You are free to give it another look |
Statistical |
Jun-15-09 12:29 PM |
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Oops. msg board replaced the brackets. |
Statistical |
Jun-15-09 12:09 AM |
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So let me see... |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 04:02 PM |
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Once again, the question is about an individual RKBA for personal use |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 04:52 PM |
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You have it exactly backwards |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 05:34 PM |
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I don't think so |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 07:06 PM |
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Wow |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 08:32 PM |
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Your Miller citation |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 12:01 AM |
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So glad you brought this up. |
Statistical |
Jun-15-09 12:27 AM |
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I'm going to take issue with one minor point here |
Euromutt |
Jun-15-09 05:17 AM |
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Good point. |
Statistical |
Jun-15-09 07:01 AM |
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The Miller case dealt with a law about weapons, not people |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 09:38 AM |
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No the WEAPON must have a reasonable relationship to the preservation of a militia. |
Statistical |
Jun-15-09 01:16 PM |
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Wow |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 12:35 PM |
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You may have unlimited time to respond to your own thread. I don't |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 01:09 PM |
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I did ask in good faith. Your citation has no logical relationship to either |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 01:24 PM |
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You mean if I'm rejected by the National Guard because of my race, I can't sue? |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 01:32 PM |
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I knew you would go there. |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 03:45 PM |
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You may already BE in the militia. The NG is only the 'organized' part of it |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-15-09 09:51 PM |
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Bingo...We have a winner. |
beevul |
Jun-16-09 12:20 AM |
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wrong jgraz . . . |
Will E Orwontee |
Jun-14-09 06:50 PM |
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Many things were proposed for the amendment, including stripping citizenship from Native Americans |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 08:33 PM |
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Right after the part where it says |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 08:39 PM |
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Free speech and firearms are not the same thing |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 08:47 PM |
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No two rights are the same, and the restrictions on no two right |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 09:00 PM |
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And who was the one drawing bad analogies to the First Amendment? |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 10:29 PM |
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No analogy needed. |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 11:58 AM |
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This is not a "crazy-ass idea floated by the Senate" |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 08:48 PM |
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Show me where either amendment says "for personal use" |
jgraz |
Jun-14-09 10:31 PM |
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Where have I heard that "reasoning" before? |
Euromutt |
Jun-15-09 06:21 AM |
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In this case, it's relevant. The Second Amendment was an attempt to avoid standing armies |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 09:53 AM |
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No more than the Fourth is null and void... |
Euromutt |
Jun-15-09 07:50 PM |
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You claimed that this is not personal use: |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 01:09 PM |
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In case you're not yet clear on this: it's the fucking DRED SCOTT decision |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 01:28 PM |
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You are very confused |
TPaine7 |
Jun-15-09 03:12 PM |
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No, I've been trying to be tolerant of your "reasoning" |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 10:24 PM |
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And we've been tolerant of your misrepresentation of what YOUR sources actually say |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-16-09 12:42 AM |
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That's just sad, jgraz |
TPaine7 |
Jun-16-09 10:06 AM |
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fundamental mistake of anti-liberty folks . . . |
Will E Orwontee |
Jun-14-09 09:26 PM |
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fundamental mistake of newbies on DU... |
jgraz |
Jun-15-09 09:55 AM |
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Sorry . . . |
Will E Orwontee |
Jun-15-09 01:28 PM |
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That's the 'genetic fallacy', not a reply |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-16-09 01:20 AM |
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The right secured by the 2nd can't . . . |
Will E Orwontee |
Jun-14-09 06:30 PM |
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"The right secured by the 2nd can't be a right of the states . . . " |
TPaine7 |
Jun-14-09 07:10 PM |
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