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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 03:14 PM
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101. You're telling me.
It's a nightmare, and not just for gun manufacturers. If we did have "loser pays" there would never have been a controversy over gun maker lawsuits in the first place. Activists were filing suit, knowing it was almost impossible to win, in order to intimidate, defame and rob manufacturers.
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  -Pharmacist "defending his employees and customers" will not be charged after shooting robber virginia mountainman  May-28-09 10:56 PM   #0 
  - Seeking Oxycontin, says "Let's get it on" to revolver wielding clerk...  TheWraith   May-28-09 11:02 PM   #1 
  - So when we go to get a RX we will be shot?  rwheeler31   May-28-09 11:03 PM   #2 
  - If you do it with a gun, instead of a Rx, you run that risk..NT  virginia mountainman   May-28-09 11:04 PM   #3 
  - Welcome to Gun Worshipper FantasyLand!  katandmoon   May-28-09 11:08 PM   #4 
  - Thanks for driving by. Be sure and stop by again soon!  friendly_iconoclast   May-30-09 12:00 AM   #87 
  - Wow, that totally makes up for the toddler who shot her brother to death  jgraz   May-28-09 11:09 PM   #5 
  - "It's not like they could just order more pills or anything." I think it  madmom   May-29-09 12:05 AM   #7 
  - So just alway give in to robbers?  IDFbunny   May-29-09 12:30 AM   #8 
  - It's a lot harder for criminals to threaten your life if they can't get their hands on a gun  jgraz   May-29-09 12:48 AM   #10 
     - Easy Access??  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 12:53 AM   #13 
     - 30,000 gun deaths say it is.  jgraz   May-29-09 12:55 AM   #15 
        - You know what the law abiding citizen should have done if the robber had a knife instead of a gun?  imdjh   May-29-09 12:57 AM   #18 
        - Yeah, just like in the movies  jgraz   May-29-09 12:59 AM   #20 
           - You too? nt  imdjh   May-29-09 01:02 AM   #21 
        - I am sorry, your numbers are deeply flawed...  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 12:58 AM   #19 
           - Your screenshot is meaningless. The CDC lists 30,694 firearm deaths in 2005  jgraz   May-29-09 01:11 AM   #23 
              - LOL that counts even POLICE shootings and Suicides, among others...  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 01:17 AM   #26 
                 - Those are the numbers from your site. Sorry you don't like them, now that they prove you wrong.  jgraz   May-29-09 01:19 AM   #27 
                    - As I said, your counting EVERY THING...  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 01:31 AM   #29 
                       - How are those not "gun deaths"?  jgraz   May-29-09 01:35 AM   #31 
                          - Ok, how do you propose to disarm the Police??  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 01:36 AM   #32 
                             - Irrelevant to the current discussion. Are there 30,000 gun deaths/year or not?  jgraz   May-29-09 01:39 AM   #34 
                             - Yes there are.  krispos42   May-29-09 05:14 PM   #73 
                             - The same way you make them take down their red light cameras  Shagbark Hickory   May-30-09 02:57 PM   #91 
     - You've read FAR too many alarmist news stories.  TheWraith   May-29-09 11:23 AM   #63 
     - No, not really  krispos42   May-29-09 05:07 PM   #70 
     - Describe a plan that makes it hard for a criminal to obtain and carry a gun concealed while making  patriotvoice   May-29-09 08:56 PM   #82 
  - bronx cheer - can't find the emoticon, well, not going to look for it. nt  imdjh   May-29-09 12:56 AM   #17 
  - Snaps to you, you were right here to Lovejoy the thread! n/t  friendly_iconoclast   May-29-09 10:55 PM   #85 
  - Pharma wants money, gun dealers want money,  rwheeler31   May-28-09 11:10 PM   #6 
  - I have a surveilance video of a robber murdering a compliant clerk.  Tim01   May-29-09 12:46 AM   #9 
  - And how many lives would have been saved if that criminal couldn't get a handgun?  jgraz   May-29-09 12:51 AM   #11 
     - LOL, how do you plan on taking away the guns from Criminals???  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 12:52 AM   #12 
     - We can start with a sane debate on gun policy  jgraz   May-29-09 12:54 AM   #14 
        - Sane Debate??  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 12:55 AM   #16 
        - I'm not a gun control advocate. At least not in the way that you think.  jgraz   May-29-09 01:16 AM   #25 
           - Can we sue GM for Drunk Drivers too??  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 01:33 AM   #30 
           - You can try. How far do you think you'd get with such a lawsuit?  jgraz   May-29-09 01:38 AM   #33 
              - I asked you a question, what bullshit lies??  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 01:43 AM   #35 
                 - Until you start following DU rules, we're done talking.  jgraz   May-29-09 01:44 AM   #36 
                    - You said in post. 25  virginia mountainman   May-29-09 01:50 AM   #38 
                    - OK, I get it. Honestly, your writing is a bit hard to parse.  jgraz   May-29-09 01:54 AM   #39 
                       - If a gun manufacturer makes an unsafe product...  spin   May-29-09 10:22 PM   #84 
                    - If he's breaking the rules alert on the post and it will be deleted.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-29-09 02:40 AM   #55 
           - What negligence...  NewMoonTherian   May-29-09 04:57 PM   #67 
              - Please read the Seventh Amendment to the Constitution  jgraz   May-29-09 05:08 PM   #71 
                 - Clearly.  NewMoonTherian   May-29-09 08:46 PM   #81 
                    - Hang on, there's no "loser pays" rule here?  Euromutt   Jun-01-09 06:29 AM   #96 
                       - Correct, there is no "loser pays" rule.  ManiacJoe   Jun-01-09 07:55 PM   #100 
                       - You're telling me.  NewMoonTherian   Jun-02-09 03:14 PM   #101 
        - You want to debate a civil right? Are you in California? Let's vote on it! nt  imdjh   May-29-09 01:03 AM   #22 
     - Bus driver stabbed to death.  Tim01   May-29-09 01:12 AM   #24 
        - And your solution is more weaponry?  jgraz   May-29-09 01:24 AM   #28 
           - You are absolutly correct.  Tim01   May-29-09 01:48 AM   #37 
           - I'm not on a crusade against guns. If anything, I'm on a crusade against idiocy  jgraz   May-29-09 02:05 AM   #41 
              - You are incorrect. There has yet to be a study that concludes the presence guns CAUSE deaths.  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 02:09 AM   #43 
              - No seriously. We have to maintain some tenuous grasp on reality here.  jgraz   May-29-09 02:14 AM   #47 
                 - Reality check.  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 08:05 PM   #80 
                 - Yes, a dose of reality is called for  Euromutt   May-30-09 06:38 AM   #89 
                    - WOW, very good information there. Thank you.  Hoopla Phil   May-31-09 02:38 PM   #93 
              - The numbers are small enough as to be irrelevent.  Tim01   May-29-09 02:33 AM   #52 
              - The alcohol canard is really weak sauce  jgraz   May-29-09 03:04 AM   #56 
              - The claim was  WWFZD   May-29-09 04:43 AM   #58 
              - Yes, it's literally correct but deceptively presented.  jgraz   May-29-09 05:09 AM   #59 
              - For the last time. I'm not doing this again.  Tim01   May-29-09 10:54 AM   #61 
              - Check back when 12,000/year people kill themselves by drinking  jgraz   May-29-09 11:42 AM   #64 
                 - AT LEAST TWICE as many people die from alcohol. Their deaths don't bother you.  Tim01   May-29-09 04:42 PM   #65 
                 - Actually, between 0.5 and 1,000,000,000 times as many people die from firearms each year  jgraz   May-29-09 05:03 PM   #68 
                 - Just admit you dislike guns and that is reallly all there is to it.  Tim01   May-29-09 04:46 PM   #66 
                    - Just admit you like guns and that's all there is to it  jgraz   May-29-09 05:04 PM   #69 
                       - I didn't think you would deny it. Have a good day.  Tim01   May-29-09 05:35 PM   #75 
              - WOW....... hipocracy at it's finest right here folks.  yay   Jun-03-09 01:30 AM   #107 
              - Well said Tim01 n/t  WWFZD   May-29-09 04:42 AM   #57 
              - It's hard to know where to start...  Euromutt   May-29-09 07:51 PM   #79 
           - So we agree: stop focusing on the tool and start focusing on the root problems.  patriotvoice   May-29-09 09:05 PM   #83 
  - Here's my problem with celebrating incidents like this  jgraz   May-29-09 01:58 AM   #40 
  - It's both, IMO  krispos42   May-29-09 05:33 PM   #74 
  - A strawman, a false dichotomy, and classism in one paragraph!  friendly_iconoclast   May-29-09 11:06 PM   #86 
     - I would add that you are not the first self-appointed zampolit we've seen.  friendly_iconoclast   May-30-09 12:06 AM   #88 
  - Here's my reason for celebrating an Innocent persons right to self defense.  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 02:07 AM   #42 
  - So it's just childish taunting? Nice to know what your motivation is.  jgraz   May-29-09 02:10 AM   #44 
     - They do. The innocent ones. Or would you rather the reverse?  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 02:11 AM   #45 
     - Or how about neither?  jgraz   May-29-09 02:14 AM   #48 
        - Remove the guns you say. And I'm in fantasy land?  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 02:32 AM   #51 
           - Let me get this straight  jgraz   May-29-09 02:39 AM   #54 
              - When choosing between two bad options,  ManiacJoe   May-29-09 10:52 AM   #60 
              - I'd agree, if we only had those two options  jgraz   May-29-09 05:10 PM   #72 
                 - No, that is the reality of it. When a person comes at you to  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 07:42 PM   #78 
                 - Feel free to list the missing options.  ManiacJoe   May-30-09 01:22 PM   #90 
                 - Everything you just said. Republican fear machine-> oooh scary boogeyman  Shagbark Hickory   May-30-09 03:02 PM   #92 
              - That the innocent person was able to successfully defend against  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 07:39 PM   #77 
              - desperados????  one-eyed fat man   May-31-09 11:30 PM   #94 
     - Not taunting, proof trough real life incidents.  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 02:12 AM   #46 
        - Also known as "anecdotal evidence"  jgraz   May-29-09 02:16 AM   #49 
           - And again with the "fantasy" rhetoric. LMAO!!! Thank you.  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 02:29 AM   #50 
           - The word is accurate. You read about some tragic death and imbue it with magic freedom sparkles  jgraz   May-29-09 02:35 AM   #53 
              - No, this is the harsh reality that we are not in a civilized society and handguns are useful  Hoopla Phil   May-29-09 07:37 PM   #76 
              - Please explain to me how the death of this criminal is "tragic"  proteus_lives   Jun-01-09 04:47 PM   #97 
           - I'm invoking Arnold's Law  Euromutt   Jun-01-09 12:04 AM   #95 
  - I  dashrif   May-29-09 11:19 AM   #62 
  - How many thousands will he have paid for lawyers and other legal expeneses?  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-01-09 06:11 PM   #98 
  - Like Linda Raulerson came out ahead?  Statistical   Jun-02-09 07:50 PM   #104 
  - Having grown up in crime ridden miami I learned a couple things about being mugged or robbed.  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-03-09 06:24 PM   #108 
     - Disgusting  X_Digger   Jun-03-09 07:17 PM   #109 
        - Well it's either that or end up in a morgue. Sowwy. I'm not dirty harry, mate.  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-04-09 06:24 PM   #112 
           - Sorry, you're adding to the problem, mate. n/t  X_Digger   Jun-04-09 06:43 PM   #114 
              - How's that, mate?  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-05-09 07:14 PM   #116 
                 - If you offer no resistance, and even 'pre-plan' to be robbed..  X_Digger   Jun-05-09 07:40 PM   #118 
                    - It's called common sense. Pick your battles. n/t  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-06-09 11:33 AM   #124 
                       - No, it's called "easy pickings".  Hoopla Phil   Jun-09-09 06:40 PM   #132 
  - There's a simple way to fix that  Euromutt   Jun-02-09 08:36 PM   #106 
  - The only 'good' robber, rapist or carjacker  The Green Manalishi   Jun-01-09 06:51 PM   #99 
  - Welcome to DU...however...  spin   Jun-02-09 04:07 PM   #102 
     - Lethal force may be used inappropriately while the adrenaline is pumping. It often does n/t  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-02-09 07:08 PM   #103 
        - Unfortunately very true. That doesn't make it right or  spin   Jun-02-09 08:08 PM   #105 
           - I've seen the video in the Ersland/Parker case. In *no* way was the second shooting justified.  friendly_iconoclast   Jun-03-09 08:52 PM   #110 
              - I agree, but one interesting part of the story hasn't been covered much...  spin   Jun-04-09 01:09 PM   #111 
                 - He was under the impression he had the right to murder the robber. Classic republican propoganda.  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-04-09 06:26 PM   #113 
                    - He had the right to use deadly force to stop him.  X_Digger   Jun-04-09 06:53 PM   #115 
                       - ^^^ Classic republican propoganda ^^^  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-05-09 07:14 PM   #117 
                          - ^^^ Classic BS non-post ^^^ n/t  X_Digger   Jun-05-09 07:41 PM   #119 
                             - Please direct me to the law that says you can shoot people that jump you on the street.. Please.  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-05-09 10:28 PM   #120 
                                - In Texas, Sec 9.32  X_Digger   Jun-05-09 10:53 PM   #121 
                                - Determining what is aggravated robbery. Whoa! That's going to be an expensive court case!  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-06-09 11:40 AM   #127 
                                   - I summarized.. here's the actual text.. both are covered  X_Digger   Jun-06-09 02:10 PM   #129 
                                - In Washington, RCW 9A.16.050  Euromutt   Jun-05-09 11:03 PM   #122 
                                - To bad you didn't read what I asked. Your response is null & void  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-06-09 11:35 AM   #125 
                                   - That would be a very wrong reading of the law as posted.  ManiacJoe   Jun-06-09 03:56 PM   #130 
                                   - Are you aware of what the construction "either ... or" means?  Euromutt   Jun-06-09 04:35 PM   #131 
                                - Florida statute 776.013  spin   Jun-05-09 11:11 PM   #123 
                                   - Sounds like it's going to be an expensive court battle for you. I hope you're saving up for it.  Shagbark Hickory   Jun-06-09 11:37 AM   #126 
                                      - I don't believe you understand the "stand your ground law" at all...  spin   Jun-06-09 01:33 PM   #128 
                                      - Castle doctrine. Look it up.  Hoopla Phil   Jun-09-09 06:41 PM   #133 
                                      - So tell us, oh wise interpreter of gun laws, why *your* interpretations are correct?  friendly_iconoclast   Jun-09-09 07:56 PM   #134 
  - Is this the guy who went up to kid who was already down .....  cslinger59   Jun-10-09 10:06 AM   #135 
     - No, different case  Euromutt   Jun-10-09 10:17 AM   #136 

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