Joe Steel
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Sat Apr-25-09 08:01 AM
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I saw a T-Shirt with an AK-47 and the legend "Come and take it." Presumably this was a challenge to anyone who would disarm the wearer.
Do you gun guys really believe you could resist a serious effort to disarm you?
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| -Come and take it. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-25-09 08:01 AM |
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I'm not a gun guy, but I think the Constitution would resist a serious |
tekisui |
Apr-25-09 08:04 AM |
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The politics of victimization |
peace frog |
Apr-25-09 08:04 AM |
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OK, first of all it's moron, not moran ya moron |
rl6214 |
Apr-27-09 11:52 AM |
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On DU it's 'moran' - you need to get out of the gungeon once in a while |
petronius |
Apr-27-09 12:19 PM |
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That's what those drones and their smartbombs are for. n/t |
Ian David |
Apr-25-09 08:13 AM |
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Yeah I heard those work great inurban residential area's. |
yay |
Apr-25-09 09:36 AM |
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So you hope the government deploys those weapons against law abiding citizens? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-25-09 06:40 PM |
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Yes we could resist. |
Tim01 |
Apr-25-09 08:25 AM |
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Longer than you think. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 07:15 AM |
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you mean like |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-27-09 01:00 PM |
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Exactly. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 05:12 PM |
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vermin, that's telling.............. |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-28-09 09:01 AM |
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Joe's got BEIKVFMcG syndrome... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-29-09 03:18 PM |
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What good is a majority if they do bad things? |
Joe Steel |
Apr-29-09 04:49 PM |
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No majority vote required to enact sweeping legislation when |
Howzit |
Apr-28-09 11:16 AM |
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How can they take a gun if they don't know you have it? |
Uben |
Apr-25-09 08:37 AM |
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You are assuming legal guns are registered - like there is a long list |
old mark |
Apr-25-09 08:49 AM |
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No, I did not make that assumption |
Uben |
Apr-25-09 08:54 AM |
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Please forgive my misunderstanding. Many people evidently |
old mark |
Apr-25-09 11:43 AM |
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Something of an implied strawman. |
dairydog91 |
Apr-25-09 08:50 AM |
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Would you throw-away everything you have to keep your gun? |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 07:18 AM |
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Ah, the million dollar question. |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 10:06 AM |
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The Founders fought for the right of self-government and all it entails. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:20 PM |
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I don't understand. |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 01:05 PM |
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By defnition, democracy is not tyranny. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 02:39 PM |
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Have you been asleep for the last 8 years? |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 05:31 PM |
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Not me. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 07:38 AM |
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On militias |
gorfle |
Apr-28-09 10:37 AM |
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That's the whole point. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-29-09 06:52 AM |
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Glad we agree. |
gorfle |
Apr-29-09 09:33 AM |
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VOLAR |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-29-09 04:23 PM |
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Validation of my interpretation of the Second Amendment... |
Joe Steel |
Apr-29-09 04:55 PM |
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that is a stretch |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-29-09 05:45 PM |
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You've missed the point entirely. |
Joe Steel |
May-01-09 06:37 AM |
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Checking definitions... |
dairydog91 |
Apr-28-09 10:53 AM |
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What is your "proper understanding of the Second Amendment"... |
SteveM |
Apr-29-09 10:32 AM |
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The proper understanding of the Second Amendment is... |
Joe Steel |
Apr-29-09 12:30 PM |
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Faulty and wrong... |
SteveM |
Apr-29-09 01:02 PM |
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Accurate and correct. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-29-09 01:08 PM |
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Wasting your time.. |
X_Digger |
Apr-29-09 01:47 PM |
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"Militia" as used in the constitution certainly means a very specific thing - |
jmg257 |
May-01-09 12:52 PM |
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Would you throw-away everything you have to keep your Vote? |
DonP |
Apr-27-09 11:25 AM |
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If it came down to that |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-27-09 11:40 AM |
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This is not about anything else. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 05:14 PM |
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Would you disregard a law that forbid you to express your opinion? |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-27-09 05:45 PM |
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No... |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 07:40 AM |
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Which could mean anything. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-28-09 12:01 PM |
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In a democracy we trust the judgment of the majority. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 12:33 PM |
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Good thing I don't live in a Democracy. |
inkool |
Apr-28-09 12:42 PM |
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The United States is a representative democracy. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 01:02 PM |
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Um, no. |
inkool |
Apr-28-09 01:36 PM |
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Um, yes. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 02:02 PM |
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It's a "Constitutional Republic", or a "Federal Constitutional Republic"... |
dairydog91 |
Apr-28-09 02:10 PM |
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The United States is a Democracy |
Joe Steel |
Apr-29-09 06:54 AM |
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Yes the power does reside in the people, kind of. |
inkool |
Apr-29-09 07:40 AM |
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CIA World Factbook |
inkool |
Apr-28-09 02:25 PM |
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That's nice. The United States is a Republic. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-28-09 12:46 PM |
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That's nice. But in THIS nation we have the Bill of Rights, which protects our basic rights, even |
jmg257 |
May-01-09 07:56 PM |
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So much for a Constitutional Democracy... |
SteveM |
Apr-29-09 10:42 AM |
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look at it the other way |
backwoodsbob |
Apr-29-09 07:18 PM |
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I think you |
rrneck |
Apr-25-09 10:12 AM |
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Agree |
Caliman73 |
Apr-25-09 06:33 PM |
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I think you may be right about the agitation... |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 07:23 AM |
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Remember the movie "Wag the Dog"? |
rrneck |
Apr-27-09 12:10 PM |
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So far we've resisted |
kudzu22 |
Apr-25-09 10:13 AM |
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Do you anti-gun guys and gals really believe the majority of LEO and military would support you? n/t |
jody |
Apr-25-09 10:24 AM |
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I agree. I know most of the local police officers... |
spin |
Apr-25-09 11:34 AM |
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i'm in WA |
paulsby |
Apr-27-09 12:26 PM |
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anyone heard of oath-keepers? |
biermeister |
Apr-25-09 02:32 PM |
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Doesn't make any difference. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 07:30 AM |
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Seems to me |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-27-09 09:24 AM |
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Militias are defined by the nature of their members not the ownership of their arms. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:17 PM |
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partially true |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-27-09 02:23 PM |
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"The militia is only effective as a curb on Federal power if ..." |
gorfle |
Apr-28-09 12:44 PM |
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OP asked "Do you gun guys really believe you could resist a serious effort to disarm you?" |
jody |
Apr-27-09 10:17 AM |
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Clear? |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:32 PM |
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You claim your opinion "represent a fair analysis of the relevant material" but you don't cite |
jody |
Apr-27-09 01:19 PM |
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And here we find the arguments by authority, coupled with ad hominems |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-27-09 02:50 PM |
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Inaccurate. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-27-09 11:43 AM |
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Nope. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:33 PM |
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That may be so, but the 2nd speaks nothing about it. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-27-09 01:33 PM |
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The statement is not incorrect. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 12:20 PM |
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What source do you have for this? |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-28-09 12:54 PM |
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BOR 101 |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-28-09 02:23 PM |
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BOR 201 |
Joe Steel |
Apr-29-09 02:20 PM |
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go back and re read Article 1, Section 8 and 9 |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-29-09 11:53 PM |
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Everything looked OK until... |
Joe Steel |
May-01-09 08:14 AM |
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tortured logic |
one-eyed fat man |
May-01-09 10:46 AM |
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A small percentage of "assault weapons" owners would resist... |
spin |
Apr-25-09 10:28 AM |
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You can bet there will be some "accidents" as well. |
yay |
Apr-25-09 10:31 AM |
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And who, pray tell, would lead the way in this dubious hypothetical enterprise? |
east texas lib |
Apr-25-09 12:34 PM |
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The guy in Pittsburgh thought he could, and he shot 3 cops, and lived. |
jmg257 |
Apr-25-09 01:40 PM |
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"Gun guys" are not a homogeneous group |
Howzit |
Apr-25-09 05:28 PM |
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A serious effort from you. I'm positive a small child with a water pistol could resist that effort. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-25-09 06:37 PM |
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Yes I think gun owners could resist. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-27-09 07:58 AM |
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Translation from the historian Herodotus |
DonP |
Apr-27-09 08:46 AM |
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The Spartans were fighting a foreign invader not their fellow citizens. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:23 PM |
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Not trying to debate, just inform |
DonP |
Apr-27-09 03:36 PM |
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Is it? |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 12:38 PM |
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again, |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-29-09 09:51 AM |
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The consensus among the Molon Labe contingent... |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-27-09 04:29 PM |
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On resistance. |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 09:59 AM |
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Certainly. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:26 PM |
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Apparently you've accepted tryanny... |
Pullo |
Apr-27-09 12:32 PM |
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No. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:34 PM |
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I guess we are in agreement there.... |
Pullo |
Apr-27-09 01:31 PM |
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In what way? |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 01:32 PM |
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I know not what course others may take... |
jmg257 |
May-01-09 09:18 PM |
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Cosmoline is your friend, Joe |
Pullo |
Apr-27-09 10:04 AM |
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So they would resist... |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:30 PM |
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But they are law-abiding until the government tries to |
spin |
Apr-27-09 12:41 PM |
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Exemption? |
Joe Steel |
Apr-27-09 12:59 PM |
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kinda depends.............. |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-27-09 01:19 PM |
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The second million dollar question. |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 01:46 PM |
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A law is a codification of popular consent. Every time |
rrneck |
Apr-27-09 03:14 PM |
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Kind of like that Martin Luther King Jr. guy, huh? |
DonP |
Apr-27-09 03:43 PM |
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Very well said. |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 05:34 PM |
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Dr. King advocated non-violent protest not armed resistence. |
Joe Steel |
Apr-28-09 08:55 AM |
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That was his choice |
DonP |
Apr-28-09 09:44 AM |
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On "law abiding" |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 01:38 PM |
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Lost cause.. |
X_Digger |
Apr-27-09 02:14 PM |
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Ah, I see. |
gorfle |
Apr-27-09 05:32 PM |
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I also know people who refuse to get a carry permit... |
spin |
Apr-27-09 12:35 PM |
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Very true... |
Pullo |
Apr-27-09 02:22 PM |
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In the aggregate, yes. (n/t) |
benEzra |
Apr-27-09 10:08 AM |
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quick answer: no |
bossy22 |
Apr-27-09 05:49 PM |
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The short answer is "yes.".... |
SteveM |
Apr-29-09 10:49 AM |
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Ask the mujahideen. |
FudaFuda |
Apr-29-09 03:12 PM |
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Yeah, we could... |
solinvictus |
Apr-29-09 09:57 PM |
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Absolutely. The reason the RIGHT to have guns is the 2nd amendment, |
old mark |
May-02-09 12:53 PM |
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