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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 04:00 PM
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99. If they're sufficient to convert a gun to full auto (i.e., a DIAS), YES, it's a felony.
If they are just a collection of parts that are NOT capable of converting a civilian gun to full auto, then no, they're just useless parts.

I suspect the FOAF mentioned upthread was sold a collection of AK parts NOT capable of converting a post-1986 civilian AK to full auto (i.e., magic beans). If they were sufficient to do a conversion, then possession other than on a Form 4 would be as illegal as an unregistered DIAS for a pre-'86 AR-15, i.e. 10 years in Club Fed.
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  -Napolitano will not wait for Congress will do southbound seizures of firearms. jody  Apr-22-09 11:02 AM   #0 
  - What law is she going to use?  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 11:05 AM   #1 
  - Agree, if she can't wait for congress to pass a law, then by what authority does she plan to act? nt  jody   Apr-22-09 11:10 AM   #2 
  - SCOTUS has ruled  X_Digger   Apr-22-09 11:13 AM   #3 
  - Yeah.  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 11:44 AM   #10 
  - Are there not some forms to fill out when taking a firearm out of country?  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 11:49 AM   #16 
     - Hmm...  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 11:52 AM   #20 
        - Read this.  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 11:55 AM   #29 
        - Looks like we don't need anymore laws. Just enforce what we've got.  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:09 PM   #43 
           - It's still not too late...  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 12:14 PM   #47 
  - How about the common-law idea of "Quit being part of the problem..  tridim   Apr-22-09 11:17 AM   #5 
     - You do know that "gun show vendors" must comply with federal laws for all firearm sales, don't you?  jody   Apr-22-09 11:28 AM   #7 
     - I know that's what the law says..  tridim   Apr-22-09 11:37 AM   #8 
        - If you "know for a fact" and don't report it, then you "look the other way". n/t  jody   Apr-22-09 11:41 AM   #9 
        - The fact I'm aware of occured in 1990  tridim   Apr-22-09 11:45 AM   #11 
           - Why haven't you turned in your FOAF?  Raskolnik   Apr-22-09 11:50 AM   #18 
           - I've described this event in detail in the gungeon  tridim   Apr-22-09 11:53 AM   #23 
              - Obviously it made an impression on you, if you remember the details 20 years later.  Raskolnik   Apr-22-09 11:54 AM   #24 
              - For starters I don't even know the guy's last name.  tridim   Apr-22-09 11:58 AM   #32 
                 - Sounds like two straw men in one post there.  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 11:59 AM   #34 
                 - *You* are the one that said "We can either look the other way or decide to solve the problem."  Raskolnik   Apr-22-09 12:58 PM   #62 
                 - I remember your post - very noteworthy  DonP   Apr-22-09 03:05 PM   #81 
                    - Close, I wasn't with him at the show.  tridim   Apr-22-09 03:18 PM   #86 
                       - Huh?  DonP   Apr-22-09 04:52 PM   #101 
              - I'll say this again. What you witnessed was NOT illegal.  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 11:58 AM   #33 
                 - It should have been, and it should be now.  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:00 PM   #35 
                    - That would be a different topic. And I disagree. The law is fine  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:02 PM   #37 
                       - One is too many.  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:03 PM   #38 
                          - ???  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:03 PM   #39 
                          - Oh how I "love" the one is too many extremist meme.  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:04 PM   #40 
                          - Are you saying you believe one innocent life taken with an automatic weapon is ok?  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:08 PM   #42 
                             - Just like an anti to put words in someones mouth. No I'm saying the current  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:10 PM   #44 
                                - What's an "anti"? Is that anything like an "illegal"?  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:20 PM   #48 
                                   - I'd answer but the body of your post shows that you understand.  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:28 PM   #51 
                                   - So your measure is either all or none?  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:40 PM   #55 
                                      - Putting words in my mouth again? So you say I agree with you or  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 09:23 PM   #104 
                                   - I have seen your record here  rl6214   Apr-22-09 12:29 PM   #52 
                                      - Nope, I've said I think the line should be drawn at blinged up assault weapons.  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:35 PM   #53 
                                         - I asked you in another thread  rl6214   Apr-22-09 12:37 PM   #54 
                                         - delete  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:52 PM   #57 
                                         - I'm not opposed to a 38, I've just never fired one.  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:53 PM   #58 
                                         - Ok, now we are getting somewhere'  inkool   Apr-22-09 12:57 PM   #60 
                                         - Because it looks EXACTLY like the full-auto version  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:58 PM   #61 
                                         - Ah, so we should ban things based upon how they *look*  Raskolnik   Apr-22-09 01:00 PM   #64 
                                         - So you want to ban somthing...  inkool   Apr-22-09 01:03 PM   #66 
                                         - No, I just don't want that gun in the hands of criminals  tridim   Apr-22-09 02:50 PM   #76 
                                         - Criminals are not allowed to have any guns.  inkool   Apr-22-09 03:02 PM   #79 
                                         - It LOOKS exactly like the full auto version?  rl6214   Apr-22-09 01:03 PM   #67 
                                         - Only "EXACTLY" to someone who doesn't know much about the subject  slackmaster   Apr-22-09 02:00 PM   #72 
                                         - Right, just like almost everyone except gun nuts like yourself.  tridim   Apr-22-09 02:45 PM   #74 
                                         - If gun nut means someone who isn't completely ignorant, I accept the mantle with pride  slackmaster   Apr-22-09 03:16 PM   #83 
                                         - If you ever get a legal assault weapon pulled on you..  tridim   Apr-22-09 03:21 PM   #88 
                                         - I wouldn't feel any differently about it than if someone pulled a flintlock pistol on me  slackmaster   Apr-22-09 03:40 PM   #95 
                                         - There you go throwing out those trigger words  rl6214   Apr-22-09 03:16 PM   #84 
                                         - What is a "Gun Nut"?  inkool   Apr-22-09 03:26 PM   #90 
                                         - An example is a person who stockpiles guns and ammo..  tridim   Apr-22-09 03:38 PM   #94 
                                         - But you seem to believe  rl6214   Apr-22-09 03:42 PM   #96 
                                         - Ok am I a gun nut?  inkool   Apr-22-09 03:58 PM   #98 
                                         - So does a Ruger mini-14.  benEzra   Apr-22-09 03:32 PM   #93 
                                         - WOW, I have been to a lot of ranges  rl6214   Apr-22-09 12:59 PM   #63 
                                         - Google  tridim   Apr-22-09 02:53 PM   #77 
                                         - So  rl6214   Apr-22-09 03:20 PM   #87 
                                         - Do you even know...  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 01:01 PM   #65 
                                         - Question...  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 01:19 PM   #68 
                                         - Looks like an Enfield .303 or .308?  rl6214   Apr-22-09 01:35 PM   #69 
                                         - Nope.  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 01:37 PM   #70 
                                         - 6.5x52 Carcano  one-eyed fat man   Apr-22-09 02:05 PM   #73 
                                         - Here  tridim   Apr-22-09 02:54 PM   #78 
                                         - About the same as if...  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 03:03 PM   #80 
                                         - Step outside your gun culture for a moment and you'll get it.  tridim   Apr-22-09 03:14 PM   #82 
                                         - A layperson should react the same way no matter what kind of firearm is pulled on him or her  slackmaster   Apr-22-09 03:17 PM   #85 
                                         - It's awfully hard to "pull" a rifle, which is why rifles are used in so FEW murders.  benEzra   Apr-22-09 03:44 PM   #97 
                                         - No, NOT civilian (Title 1) legal under the National Firearms Act, worth about 30 years in prison.  benEzra   Apr-22-09 03:27 PM   #92 
                                         - So non blinged up assault weapons are fine?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-22-09 08:35 PM   #103 
                          - "One is too many" is a version of "ends justifies the means" Bush used to approve torture. n/t  jody   Apr-22-09 12:44 PM   #56 
                             - Really? That's some interesting logic you have there.  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:54 PM   #59 
                                - Not mine, talk with the author of # "38. One is too many." Oh, that's you! n/t  jody   Apr-22-09 02:49 PM   #75 
           - I didn't think having the full-auto parts alone was illegal... Anyone? nt  jmg257   Apr-22-09 11:52 AM   #22 
              - It is not. If you've ever purchased a FAL or AK parts kit you will know  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 11:55 AM   #28 
              - And you have to replace 10 parts with those of US mfg n/t  X_Digger   Apr-22-09 12:05 PM   #41 
                 - Correct. Although the actual law on how many parts to replace varies  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:12 PM   #45 
                    - Oops, I mean the number of parts varies. Not the law of course. Ha Ha  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 12:12 PM   #46 
              - the ATF is pretty unclear in this area  one-eyed fat man   Apr-22-09 01:58 PM   #71 
              - If they're sufficient to convert a gun to full auto (i.e., a DIAS), YES, it's a felony.  benEzra   Apr-22-09 04:00 PM   #99 
        - If you fail to report what you know "for a fact" then YOU are "part of the common law problem"  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 11:45 AM   #12 
        - See post 11  tridim   Apr-22-09 11:47 AM   #14 
           - Then you "fact" is wrong. Parts kits are NOT illegal.  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 11:51 AM   #19 
              - If that's true then obviously gun show laws need to be revisited.  tridim   Apr-22-09 11:54 AM   #25 
              - You don't take well to being contradicted by the facts, do you? n/t  Raskolnik   Apr-22-09 11:55 AM   #27 
              - This is not a "gun show" deal. This is Federal law. It is Illegally to make a full auto  Hoopla Phil   Apr-22-09 11:57 AM   #31 
              - Full auto conversion parts are illegal IF they are actually capable of full auto conversion.  benEzra   Apr-22-09 04:03 PM   #100 
        - I am not in the practice...  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 11:46 AM   #13 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-09 11:49 AM   #15 
              - Keyboard Commando  jeepnstein   Apr-22-09 11:50 AM   #17 
     - That's great but  rl6214   Apr-22-09 11:56 AM   #30 
        - How does being part of the solution trample on the Constitution?  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:01 PM   #36 
           - [B]"How about the common-law idea of "Quit being part of the problem..[/B]  rl6214   Apr-22-09 12:20 PM   #49 
              - Whatever laws the common solution deems effective.  tridim   Apr-22-09 12:22 PM   #50 
  - I think there might be a law or two on the books against international arms smuggling.  sinkingfeeling   Apr-22-09 11:13 AM   #4 
  - Good for her - enforce the laws already on the books. n/t  jmg257   Apr-22-09 11:19 AM   #6 
  - If she is talking about actually enforcing existing laws, good for her. n/t  Raskolnik   Apr-22-09 11:52 AM   #21 
  - I know the border patrol  rl6214   Apr-22-09 11:55 AM   #26 
     - I won't be surprised  Iktomiwicasa   Apr-22-09 03:21 PM   #89 
        - Going under tunnels  rl6214   Apr-22-09 03:26 PM   #91 
           - or teleportation or some  Iktomiwicasa   Apr-22-09 06:58 PM   #102 
 

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