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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #46
54. M855/SS109 is ***NOT*** AP. It is regular ball (e.g., ordinary FMJ)
Edited on Fri Apr-10-09 11:14 PM by benEzra
and penetrates less at close range than regular M193 (55gr FMJ) due to the lower velocity. The longer bullet gives it better penetration at 600 yards than M193 (which is not saying much), but only because it holds onto its velocity better (more mass, less drag).

Actual 5.56x45mm AP is black tip, tungsten core, e.g. M995.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56x45mm_NATO

If M855 were AP, it would be controlled under the 1986 AP bullet ban, which was extended by a 1994 BATFE administrative decision to cover rifle calibers up through 7.62x51mm/.308 Winchester. It's not, because it's not AP.
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  -I need some research help. Tim01  Apr-09-09 06:48 PM   #0 
  - Look here  Furyataurus   Apr-09-09 06:49 PM   #1 
  - Try this  slackmaster   Apr-09-09 06:50 PM   #2 
  - best place  Old Codger   Apr-09-09 06:50 PM   #3 
  - Totally not the point  sandnsea   Apr-09-09 07:03 PM   #4 
  - I know you are anti gun and nothing will change your mind.  Tim01   Apr-09-09 07:08 PM   #5 
  - See. I am not anti-gun  sandnsea   Apr-09-09 07:41 PM   #8 
     - If we bowed down to every "reasonable" gun law  yay   Apr-09-09 07:57 PM   #10 
     - Ok, you support trigger locks and gun vaults...  MercutioATC   Apr-09-09 08:19 PM   #12 
     - First we need a funded ATF  sandnsea   Apr-09-09 08:37 PM   #13 
        - Ok, my responses by the numbers...  MercutioATC   Apr-09-09 08:51 PM   #14 
        - You aren't willing to respect differing views  sandnsea   Apr-09-09 09:32 PM   #17 
           - Actually, all I did was respond to your proposals.  MercutioATC   Apr-10-09 12:54 AM   #22 
           - Actually, you ridiculed what I said  sandnsea   Apr-10-09 10:04 AM   #26 
              - _civilians_ can't order armor piercing ammunition  X_Digger   Apr-10-09 10:23 AM   #28 
              - true, armor piercing ammo  Furyataurus   Apr-10-09 10:38 AM   #29 
              - Rifle Armor Piercing Ammo is illegal  Statistical   Apr-10-09 12:43 PM   #36 
                 - Cheaper than dirt. SS109 Penetrator ammo  Tim01   Apr-10-09 04:07 PM   #46 
                    - M855/SS109 is ***NOT*** AP. It is regular ball (e.g., ordinary FMJ)  benEzra   Apr-10-09 11:13 PM   #54 
              - Armor Piercing ammo has been illegal for civilians for 20+ years.  Statistical   Apr-10-09 12:41 PM   #35 
              - Private citizens can sell it to each other all day long,  Tejas   Apr-12-09 07:26 AM   #69 
              - The only sarcasm in my post addressed your suggestion that we ban guns based on appearance.  MercutioATC   Apr-10-09 12:45 PM   #37 
              - sandnsea- Link to armor peircing ammo for sale will end this discussion.  Tim01   Apr-10-09 12:51 PM   #38 
              - Ask and you shall receive...  dairydog91   Apr-10-09 01:30 PM   #40 
              - M855 is standard ball round. M955 is Armor Piercing around.  Statistical   Apr-10-09 06:17 PM   #48 
                 - Wow, I think I get it . A little confusing.  Tim01   Apr-10-09 10:39 PM   #51 
                    - No, M855 *IS* regular FMJ.  benEzra   Apr-10-09 11:16 PM   #55 
                       - M855 SS109 Penetrator ammo. 62 grain with steel tipped penatrating core  Tim01   Apr-11-09 08:02 AM   #59 
                          - No it isn't.  Statistical   Apr-11-09 09:10 AM   #62 
                          - So is it steel tipped? They say it is.  Tim01   Apr-11-09 09:40 AM   #64 
                             - Yes but it isn't armor piercing.  Statistical   Apr-11-09 09:49 AM   #65 
                                - Got it. You are very knowledgable, thanks.  Tim01   Apr-11-09 09:58 AM   #66 
                          - The ad is misleading in a couple of ways.  benEzra   Apr-11-09 03:17 PM   #67 
              - Still no link to "armor piercing pistol ammo" for sale... n/t  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-10-09 01:36 PM   #41 
              - There is so much ammo available  sandnsea   Apr-10-09 04:59 PM   #47 
                 - No need for insults. Calm down. I didn't get out of line with you.  Tim01   Apr-10-09 06:21 PM   #49 
                 - And that ammo is RESTRICTED by Federal law. Get informed.  benEzra   Apr-10-09 11:09 PM   #53 
                 - No, it isn't ALL restricted  sandnsea   Apr-10-09 11:32 PM   #57 
                    - Everything under .30-06 Springfield IS restricted by Federal law.  benEzra   Apr-11-09 12:07 AM   #58 
                 - There is no link to purchase....  Statistical   Apr-11-09 09:40 AM   #63 
              - Why does it matter?  dairydog91   Apr-10-09 01:25 PM   #39 
              - What kind of gun would give someone "the idea that they're Rambo" ?  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-10-09 01:58 PM   #43 
              - Full auto M60 machinegun, a serrated hunting knife, and big 1980's hair. (n/t)  benEzra   Apr-10-09 11:17 PM   #56 
              - You might find this photo essay helpful  krispos42   Apr-11-09 08:43 AM   #61 
                 - They sure don't make Buicks like they used to,  Tejas   Apr-12-09 07:31 AM   #70 
                    - I had the Oldsmobile version of the exact same car  krispos42   Apr-12-09 09:36 AM   #71 
           - #16 is pointing out harassment "under color of law" by the ATF  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-10-09 01:48 PM   #42 
        - On your proposals...  gorfle   Apr-09-09 09:09 PM   #15 
        - We finally sued the ATF enough times  Tim01   Apr-09-09 09:10 PM   #16 
        - In order:  yay   Apr-09-09 09:53 PM   #18 
        - You don't even know what you're asking for.  AtheistCrusader   Apr-10-09 02:57 AM   #23 
        - 5 or less bullets?  BigBluenoser   Apr-10-09 08:47 AM   #24 
     - Typecasting, as described in 'The Gift of Fear', and argumentum ad populum  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-10-09 07:34 PM   #50 
     - If the vocal minority were in deed the minority  rl6214   Apr-11-09 03:29 PM   #68 
  - By supporting an AWB, you bear a sizeable responsibility in their proliferation  Pullo   Apr-09-09 11:19 PM   #19 
  - I never hand any intention of getting an "assault rifle"  Tim01   Apr-09-09 11:39 PM   #20 
  - Are you saying gangs use so called assault weapons more than other guns  aikoaiko   Apr-11-09 08:40 AM   #60 
  - If facts would make a difference, there would be no debate.  MercutioATC   Apr-09-09 07:15 PM   #6 
  - Seriously, the middle ground folks have been lied to.  Tim01   Apr-09-09 07:27 PM   #7 
     - I've tried. This is one of my favorite examples:  MercutioATC   Apr-09-09 08:01 PM   #11 
  - You might have to make one in Excel or the freeware equivilent  krispos42   Apr-09-09 07:57 PM   #9 
  - I think this is going to be the way to go.  Tim01   Apr-09-09 11:40 PM   #21 
  - Hows the research coming????  Furyataurus   Apr-10-09 08:58 AM   #25 
  - This one.  Tim01   Apr-10-09 11:34 AM   #32 
     - IMO  Furyataurus   Apr-10-09 11:55 AM   #33 
        - Velocity alone is not a good indication of power....  Statistical   Apr-10-09 12:30 PM   #34 
        - My impressions?  Tim01   Apr-10-09 03:35 PM   #45 
  - I found a site that allows you to do exactly what you want...  spin   Apr-10-09 10:21 AM   #27 
  - I beat you to it  Furyataurus   Apr-10-09 10:40 AM   #30 
     - I did kinda walk into that one. LOL (nt)  spin   Apr-10-09 10:53 AM   #31 
  - Never mind...  dairydog91   Apr-10-09 02:36 PM   #44 
  - Here you go:  benEzra   Apr-10-09 11:05 PM   #52 
 

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