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213. You are framing the purpose with your own agenda.
I see them as being designed to protect human life. That's what armies do when they use them. That's what our police do, when they use them.

To justifiably go to war, an army should be protecting the civilian population that sponsored it. For that, you select the best tool for the job. Armies and arm suppliers DO choose these weapons for thier target utility. They are extremely accurate, easy to maintain, relatively rugged, and they can stop a human being.

Most 'civilian' weapons can do all that, but also stop things much bigger and angrier than a human being.

The AR-15 launches lead at a target. It does so very well. That's why I own one.
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  -Ala Shooter used TWO Assault Weapons... fired over 200 rounds .... TEN Dead.... Blackhatjack  Mar-12-09 04:59 PM   #0 
  - no argument from me  CountAllVotes   Mar-12-09 05:03 PM   #1 
  - Please define "Assault Weapon"  Taverner   Mar-12-09 05:03 PM   #2 
  - check here - online encyclopedia  CountAllVotes   Mar-12-09 05:05 PM   #5 
  - OK - so what are you going to tell hunters?  Taverner   Mar-12-09 05:06 PM   #6 
  - No, talking to gun nuts is useless...  rfranklin   Mar-12-09 05:16 PM   #10 
     - I don't own a gun, and hope to never have to  Taverner   Mar-12-09 05:22 PM   #22 
     - So are you saying we shouldn't even try?  derby378   Mar-12-09 05:23 PM   #23 
     - OK - say the US Government turns tyrannical  Taverner   Mar-12-09 05:24 PM   #26 
     - I think you misunderstood me earlier  derby378   Mar-12-09 05:27 PM   #29 
     - No I just posted in the wrong spot in the thread  Taverner   Mar-12-09 05:29 PM   #33 
     - No problem  derby378   Mar-12-09 05:30 PM   #34 
     - Common sense...  Rekoning7   Mar-23-09 04:01 PM   #208 
     - Tyrannical... in a sense like how the Bush regime *almost did.*  Yukari Yakumo   Mar-14-09 12:31 AM   #190 
     - So are you saying we shouldn't even try?  Rekoning7   Mar-23-09 03:48 PM   #206 
     - Who the fuck is going to define "tyranny"?  Hugabear   Mar-23-09 04:04 PM   #210 
        - Who the fuck is going to define "tyranny"?  Rekoning7   Mar-24-09 01:48 AM   #220 
           - You still didn't answer the question. Is this just pure rhetoric or do you really believe it?  Hugabear   Mar-24-09 08:05 AM   #221 
              - Absolutely Not  Rekoning7   Mar-25-09 03:42 AM   #224 
     - So you are a gun nut? How odd that you think talking to you is useless.  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:23 PM   #24 
     - Not specious at all  Threedifferentones   Mar-12-09 05:29 PM   #31 
     - So you're going to dismiss everyone who hunts or owns a modern rifle as a gun nut?  TheWraith   Mar-13-09 12:05 AM   #99 
     - Yep - most of the assault weapon paranoia came from the Sac school shooting in the 80's  Taverner   Mar-13-09 12:32 PM   #151 
     - So hunters are "gun nuts"...  spin   Mar-23-09 03:24 PM   #204 
  - I have a better answer  derby378   Mar-12-09 05:18 PM   #12 
  - It's a gun that looks really really scary.  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:19 PM   #17 
  - These were fully automatic military style weapons.  geckosfeet   Mar-12-09 05:33 PM   #36 
  - They were?  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:52 PM   #42 
  - Uhhh, ar15, m16 type weapons.  geckosfeet   Mar-12-09 07:41 PM   #63 
     - Replica of a stoner design  Pavulon   Mar-12-09 09:32 PM   #67 
  - Fully Auto is illegal  Taverner   Mar-12-09 06:02 PM   #49 
  - Depends where you live and what license you have.  geckosfeet   Mar-12-09 07:41 PM   #62 
     - That doesnt say they were full-auto. NT  NickB79   Mar-12-09 09:25 PM   #66 
     - heh. your posts show that you are totally ignorant about guns and gun laws...  1   Mar-12-09 09:44 PM   #70 
     - Ooohh really. In what way am I ignorant? That state laws vary? Please - I beg for illumination.  geckosfeet   Mar-13-09 06:22 AM   #131 
        - You're pretty ignorant if you think an SKS can be fired in full-auto mode.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 03:40 PM   #205 
           - You're pretty ignorant if you think an SKS can be fired in full-auto mode  Rekoning7   Mar-23-09 04:43 PM   #216 
              - Slamfiring or a runaway is not a full-auto-mode.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 04:47 PM   #217 
                 - Slamming isnt IT and a runaway just shows its EASY  Rekoning7   Mar-24-09 01:27 AM   #219 
     - No, it absolutely does not depend on that.  TheWraith   Mar-13-09 12:09 AM   #104 
        - I see. The uzi on full auto that killed an 8 year old in Springfield at a gun show  geckosfeet   Mar-13-09 06:36 AM   #134 
           - Technical language, pot heads have it, mech. engineers, and firearms do too  Pavulon   Mar-13-09 12:55 PM   #154 
           - Be careful you don't get hayfever from that strawman.  TheWraith   Mar-14-09 02:58 PM   #194 
           - Honesty?  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 03:53 PM   #207 
           - If you say at least be honest about it, you should really try it yourself.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-24-09 08:49 PM   #222 
           - Wow, at a gun show with all those experts and all those guns someone was shot and killed?  TWiley   Mar-25-09 04:48 AM   #225 
  - Alabama state troopers, told reporters the gunman used a semi-automatic weapon  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-09 09:41 PM   #68 
  - Basically, they mean a gun that looks especially scary to them  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Mar-13-09 06:32 AM   #132 
  - "Assault weapon" is the left-wing version of "death tax"  petronius   Mar-13-09 03:51 PM   #168 
  - What about the one in Germany, doesn't Germany have  doc03   Mar-12-09 05:03 PM   #3 
  - in Germany, the shooter's father was a member of a gun club  villager   Mar-12-09 05:13 PM   #8 
     - He should have kept the guns out of the boy's hands n/t  doc03   Mar-12-09 05:28 PM   #30 
        - guess they were easy to get into his hands...  villager   Mar-12-09 05:42 PM   #39 
  - Are you sure they were assault weapons?  MattBaggins   Mar-12-09 05:03 PM   #4 
  - how dare you blame the weapon! As many would be dead if he used piano wire  villager   Mar-12-09 05:12 PM   #7 
  - You anti gun folks have created a feeding frenzy  doc03   Mar-12-09 05:24 PM   #25 
  - Righto. They are holding guns to our heads and making us buy all the ammo.  geckosfeet   Mar-12-09 05:35 PM   #37 
  - oh, you gun lovers always find a frenzy to be in...  villager   Mar-12-09 05:41 PM   #38 
  - Nail? Meet hammer!  Taverner   Mar-12-09 06:11 PM   #53 
  - You haven't heard about the epidemic of guns leaping from their holsters and  tangent90   Mar-12-09 06:38 PM   #57 
  - that, which you described is my working definition of a gun "nut."  Joe Fields   Mar-13-09 01:45 AM   #120 
  - That's because the gunnies are idiots. Paranoia, stoked by the NRA over a Black man as President  DainBramaged   Mar-13-09 02:13 AM   #123 
  - I'm more inclined to believe that  LiberalPersona   Mar-13-09 03:08 AM   #130 
  - Or anfo or tatp. Hit up the youtube for a step by step  Pavulon   Mar-12-09 09:45 PM   #72 
  - Yeah right... show me the last time there was a drive by knifing...nt  ddeclue   Mar-12-09 09:46 PM   #73 
  - If everyone was armed, say with an Apache attack helicopter and a couple of  leftofthedial   Mar-12-09 05:13 PM   #9 
  - Or if you walk around holding  gizmo1979   Mar-12-09 05:17 PM   #11 
  - although not for snipers  leftofthedial   Mar-12-09 05:19 PM   #16 
     - very true  gizmo1979   Mar-12-09 06:55 PM   #61 
  - We'd have goddamn little unemployment in the helicopter manufacturing business  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:20 PM   #18 
     - It's not just gun-law reform--it's stimulus!  leftofthedial   Mar-12-09 05:25 PM   #27 
  - Aren't assault weapons supposed to make America safer?  TWiley   Mar-12-09 05:18 PM   #13 
  - Again, what's an "assault weapon?"  derby378   Mar-12-09 05:21 PM   #19 
  - No. Only assholes believe that.  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:21 PM   #20 
  - Given that all rifles combined account for only half as many murders as shoes and bare hands,  benEzra   Mar-12-09 06:48 PM   #60 
  - Only if we ban the 4th Amendment as well.  anonymous171   Mar-12-09 05:18 PM   #14 
  - No problem for people with nothing to hide!  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:22 PM   #21 
  - 200 rounds over the course of an hour?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-12-09 05:19 PM   #15 
  - 3 shots a minute...I think Blackbeard's pirates did better than that with cannons.  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:32 PM   #35 
  - Oh, that makes it alright, then.  Joe Fields   Mar-13-09 01:46 AM   #121 
  - He sure wasn't much of a marksman.  TahitiNut   Mar-12-09 09:44 PM   #71 
  - By the way, here's a little secret...  derby378   Mar-12-09 05:26 PM   #28 
  - If you believe the official story, sure. By the way, after MLK and RFK were murdered  villager   Mar-12-09 05:47 PM   #41 
     - You are wrong. I work to preserve ALL the Bill of Rights and I'm not in or ever was in  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:55 PM   #43 
     - No, you are wrong. The cover I refer to really existed.  villager   Mar-12-09 06:01 PM   #48 
        - I am the fuck referring to your erroneous claim that  tangent90   Mar-12-09 06:08 PM   #52 
           - Oh no. The NRA has little influence over our timid, craven politicos.  villager   Mar-12-09 06:31 PM   #55 
              - drone is a noun, genius.  tangent90   Mar-12-09 06:37 PM   #56 
                 - Is there anything you're *not* wrong about? :  villager   Mar-12-09 08:02 PM   #64 
                 - From your link.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-09 12:08 AM   #103 
                    - you actually deliberately didn't read the "verb" section? Is that really how you gun people "argue,"  villager   Mar-13-09 12:52 AM   #109 
                       - Can the word drone be used as a noun? If so then the poster isn't wrong about everything.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-09 01:02 AM   #114 
                          - his assertion that it isn't a verb was wrong. Ten people are dead, and you're arguing about this?  villager   Mar-13-09 01:13 AM   #115 
                             - So that would make you pathetic too. Welcome to the club. Thanks for unblocking me.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-09 01:16 AM   #116 
                                - Huh? I didn't bring this up. And off to the ignore list, Dave..  villager   Mar-13-09 01:24 AM   #117 
                                   - I knew that wouldn't last long.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-09 01:26 AM   #118 
                 - You are wrong. Look it up.  anneboleyn   Mar-13-09 12:03 AM   #98 
                 - Merriam-Webster  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-09 12:07 AM   #102 
                 - Allow me to introduce you to "drone," the verb.  WorseBeforeBetter   Mar-13-09 12:42 AM   #108 
     - Well, at least one of the three was actually killed with a handgun I guess.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 04:01 PM   #209 
  - Non-starter  slackmaster   Mar-12-09 05:29 PM   #32 
  - The German killer used a 9mm handgun  hack89   Mar-12-09 05:43 PM   #40 
  - Nine is way too many millimeters! 2 or 3 should be enough for anybody!!!  tangent90   Mar-12-09 05:56 PM   #44 
     - LOL - That's probably what the OP thinks!  Zywiec   Mar-12-09 06:00 PM   #47 
        - Hell, I'm still pondering over what would constitute a weapon with no assault abilities!  tangent90   Mar-12-09 06:04 PM   #50 
  - The definition of "assault weapon" needs to be modified  Mugweed   Mar-12-09 05:57 PM   #45 
  - Absolutley not.  TheMightyFavog   Mar-12-09 05:59 PM   #46 
  - Oh boy. N/T  NRaleighLiberal   Mar-12-09 06:05 PM   #51 
  - 200 rounds 10 dead - damn poor shot  RamboLiberal   Mar-12-09 06:30 PM   #54 
  - Every shooting is a rallying cry for the Brady Bunch to push through their feel good gun laws  FLAprogressive   Mar-12-09 06:42 PM   #58 
  - He used the most common centerfire rifle in U.S. homes (SKS),  benEzra   Mar-12-09 06:45 PM   #59 
  - You want to talk guns? I'll talk guns ...  Blackhatjack   Mar-12-09 08:57 PM   #65 
  - Dude  Pavulon   Mar-12-09 09:43 PM   #69 
  - I do!  Squatch   Mar-12-09 09:55 PM   #76 
  - you said it best yourself. you just don't know anything about guns or gun laws...  1   Mar-12-09 10:06 PM   #78 
  - That assault weapon ban removed a lot of Democrats  doc03   Mar-12-09 10:27 PM   #83 
  - my momma used to call that "cutting off your nose to spite your face"...  1   Mar-12-09 10:46 PM   #85 
     - A gun dealer told me last week if he knew  doc03   Mar-12-09 11:08 PM   #86 
  - Unable to read and understand my post? I guess you were too busy convincing yourself...  Blackhatjack   Mar-12-09 11:45 PM   #92 
     - no dude. you make zero sense. your posts are pathetic. sorry...  1   Mar-13-09 02:14 AM   #124 
        - Let's count the 'facts' included in your post there 'little buddy' -- Hmmm ZERO! n/t  Blackhatjack   Mar-13-09 10:23 AM   #143 
  - The boy in Germany killed 15 people with a Luger  doc03   Mar-12-09 10:21 PM   #82 
  - So is there any kind of weapon made that 'is NOT your right to own it?'  Blackhatjack   Mar-12-09 11:52 PM   #96 
     - If you have a ban on your so called (assault weapons?)  doc03   Mar-13-09 08:17 AM   #136 
     - Can you drop the paranoia long enough to answer my Q? How about RPGs???  Blackhatjack   Mar-13-09 10:28 AM   #144 
        - If you gun grabbers get your foot in the door  doc03   Mar-13-09 05:08 PM   #172 
        - Appeal to Absurdity.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 06:44 PM   #218 
     - What about the Luger vs your (assault weapons?)? It appears  doc03   Mar-13-09 08:20 AM   #137 
     - Many of is, including me, believe the line was drawn correctly in 1934  slackmaster   Mar-13-09 09:33 AM   #140 
  - When did you grow up?  FudaFuda   Mar-13-09 12:07 AM   #101 
  - You 'front' well, but you're still wrong  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-13-09 02:34 AM   #126 
     - Careful ... you are close to exposing yourself .... nothing I posted was 'factually incorrect'  Blackhatjack   Mar-13-09 10:34 AM   #145 
        - You still *talk* a good game, I'll give you that.  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-13-09 03:29 PM   #163 
           - Asked a few hard questions, the OP disappears...  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-15-09 02:37 PM   #200 
  - I'm very pleased with how long the moderators are leaving these in GD. Thanks mods.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-09 09:49 PM   #74 
  - It's my guess the ILLEGAL guns kill more people than legal "assault weapons".  SmileyRose   Mar-12-09 09:51 PM   #75 
  - You got it, it is all a shell game  Pavulon   Mar-12-09 09:55 PM   #77 
  - GOOD point! I hadn't thought of this quite that way.  Hardrada   Mar-12-09 10:08 PM   #79 
  - A teenager killed his mother with a bow and arrow  doc03   Mar-12-09 10:29 PM   #84 
  - Can you tell me exactly what weapons were used?  aikoaiko   Mar-12-09 10:09 PM   #80 
  - Sounds like an SKS an AR variant (nt)  Pavulon   Mar-12-09 10:14 PM   #81 
     - Was the SKS modified to accept higher-cap mags?  aikoaiko   Mar-13-09 02:03 PM   #159 
  - Jesus. It was one incident.  chrisa   Mar-12-09 11:15 PM   #87 
  - *Some* weapons should be banned, yes.  flvegan   Mar-12-09 11:16 PM   #88 
  - Please enlighten us which those should be?  XOKCowboy   Mar-12-09 11:27 PM   #89 
     - i'd like to know that myself. you can easily shoot 200 rounds per hour through a 1851 sharps rifle.  1   Mar-12-09 11:40 PM   #90 
     - I see no place for the likes of  flvegan   Mar-12-09 11:45 PM   #91 
        - ok. cool. so then tell me, why are some semi-automatics ok, and others not?  1   Mar-12-09 11:50 PM   #95 
           - It's not fear.  flvegan   Mar-12-09 11:55 PM   #97 
              - wow. ok. i will state my perfectly legitimate question again without the word "scare"...  1   Mar-13-09 12:07 AM   #100 
                 - I'll answer your question with a question...  flvegan   Mar-13-09 12:18 AM   #105 
                    - "Hunting? Fine. Home defense? Fine. Target/skeet/sport? Fine."  1   Mar-13-09 12:31 AM   #106 
                    - I did answer it.  flvegan   Mar-13-09 12:54 AM   #110 
                    - you answered it? where? you don't like your ar-15? how does that answer my question?  1   Mar-13-09 01:00 AM   #113 
                    - Like I said  flvegan   Mar-13-09 02:06 AM   #122 
                       - because the the 80th or 90th percentile can't answer a direct question?  1   Mar-13-09 02:26 AM   #125 
                    - That's why I put a short barrel on mine.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-09 02:55 AM   #129 
                    - I'm not picturing what you're envisioning here.  benEzra   Mar-13-09 12:11 PM   #148 
                    - Hold on a sec.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 04:23 PM   #212 
                    - Off-topic, but what livestock do you raise?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Mar-13-09 06:36 AM   #135 
                    - The AR-15 is an exemplary target rifle.  FudaFuda   Mar-13-09 12:34 AM   #107 
                    - its ok. you are new here. the anti-gun crowd here can only answer questions with questions...  1   Mar-13-09 12:55 AM   #111 
                       - The anti-gun crowd are like fundies talking about GLBT people.  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-13-09 02:43 AM   #128 
                          - Does everyone embedded with NRA programming project like that?  villager   Mar-13-09 11:15 AM   #147 
                             - How else would you explain the cognitive dissonance  benEzra   Mar-13-09 12:12 PM   #149 
                                - BenEzra, I never try to explain the cognitive dissonance of the gun crowd!  villager   Mar-13-09 12:22 PM   #150 
                                   - Touche...  benEzra   Mar-13-09 01:05 PM   #155 
                                      - Although they *can* be used for target practice -- as can numerous weapons  villager   Mar-13-09 01:50 PM   #158 
                                         - Thoughts...  benEzra   Mar-13-09 02:50 PM   #162 
                                         - A thoughtful reply. How easily can AR-15's be modified?  villager   Mar-13-09 03:47 PM   #167 
                                            - Not particularly easy, and they were modified in 1986 to make it even harder.  benEzra   Mar-13-09 05:57 PM   #177 
                                            - Not easily.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 04:36 PM   #214 
                                         - You are framing the purpose with your own agenda.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 04:31 PM   #213 
                    - On the contrary, it DOMINATES centerfire target shooting in this country.  benEzra   Mar-13-09 09:12 AM   #138 
                    - I use mine for target shooting, and for teaching people how to handle firearms safely  slackmaster   Mar-13-09 09:38 AM   #141 
                    - I would disagree  AtheistCrusader   Mar-23-09 04:18 PM   #211 
  - The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people with a 9mm.  Incitatus   Mar-12-09 11:47 PM   #93 
  - WHY are these legal? It is disgusting that in a civilized country anyone can buy these guns.  anneboleyn   Mar-12-09 11:48 PM   #94 
  - In Switzerland the govt. gives one to EVERYBODY.  FudaFuda   Mar-13-09 12:55 AM   #112 
  - anne b. will along shortly to explain why CH has a lower murder & violent crime rate than the US  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-13-09 02:38 AM   #127 
  - Bitchin!!!!!  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 08:51 PM   #188 
  - i'm with you  hiphopnation   Mar-13-09 09:31 AM   #139 
  - We already do.  chrisa   Mar-13-09 11:11 AM   #146 
  - Fucking idiot was a terrible shot.  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 01:32 AM   #119 
  - Ten people are dead.  WorseBeforeBetter   Mar-13-09 12:51 PM   #153 
     - Here's your answer:  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 01:29 PM   #156 
        - An idiotic smilie?  WorseBeforeBetter   Mar-13-09 03:52 PM   #169 
           - Do you rub yourself as you recall every salacious detail???  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 05:29 PM   #173 
              - A gun nut who references porn ... how original.  WorseBeforeBetter   Mar-13-09 06:56 PM   #178 
                 - Yet another vanilla insult by a gun nanny.  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 07:24 PM   #179 
                    - Up Your Meds.  Paladin   Mar-13-09 08:02 PM   #180 
                    - Your username was the name of a hired killer in an early  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 08:21 PM   #184 
                       - Crickets  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 11:50 PM   #189 
                          - Sorry I Didn't Respond Quickly Enough To Suit You  Paladin   Mar-14-09 03:29 PM   #195 
                             - Gun obsessive?? Hardly.  cliffordu   Mar-14-09 06:24 PM   #196 
                    - You've yet to answer my question.  WorseBeforeBetter   Mar-13-09 08:20 PM   #183 
                       - Tra la la, yet another ad hominum attack....  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 08:25 PM   #185 
                          - You mock the killer's marksmanship (or lack thereof)...  WorseBeforeBetter   Mar-13-09 08:35 PM   #186 
                             - The OP was started over an observation  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 08:42 PM   #187 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-13-09 06:34 AM   #133 
  - "Lets' just outlaw everything bad"  Strelnikov_   Mar-13-09 09:54 AM   #142 
  - ban Assault Weapons...  fascisthunter   Mar-13-09 12:35 PM   #152 
  - Read up on the Cheney death squads.....  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 01:32 PM   #157 
  - You think your guns are gonna do much against a death squad?  fascisthunter   Mar-13-09 02:26 PM   #161 
  - Insurgents can't hold off modern armed forces-just look at Iraq and Afghanistan  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-13-09 03:36 PM   #165 
  - I don't currently own a firearm.  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 05:31 PM   #174 
     - lol.. look who is scared! You are talking about a possible stand off with "Death Squads"  fascisthunter   Mar-14-09 12:08 PM   #193 
        - Paranoid? I don't own a firearm.  cliffordu   Mar-14-09 10:17 PM   #197 
  - Yeah, Dick Cheney Was Really Scared Of A Well Regulated Militia, Wasn't He?  Paladin   Mar-13-09 08:05 PM   #181 
  - The Constitution is as relevant now as it ever was.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-09 02:18 PM   #160 
  - Heller v DC  rq4a   Mar-23-09 02:25 PM   #203 
  - what is so hard to realize  backtoblue   Mar-13-09 03:35 PM   #164 
  - Are you opposed to urban and suburban people driving out to rural areas to go shooting?  slackmaster   Mar-13-09 03:42 PM   #166 
  - Well..  backtoblue   Mar-13-09 03:57 PM   #170 
     - Thanks, and I'll give you a data point or three for what it's worth  slackmaster   Mar-13-09 04:24 PM   #171 
  - Rifle ranges exist in urban areas, for example...  spin   Mar-13-09 05:51 PM   #175 
  - I am sooo glad you're in charge.....  cliffordu   Mar-13-09 05:52 PM   #176 
  - While you are so smug sitting at a red light that you  Retired AF Dem   Mar-13-09 08:16 PM   #182 
  - Hey gun nuts! How many people could a psycho kill with a knife? A baseball bat?  Canuckistanian   Mar-14-09 12:46 AM   #191 
  - Actually, US murder rates are roughly 4 times Canadian murder rates  slackmaster   Mar-14-09 10:21 AM   #192 
  - No fair using facts.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-24-09 11:28 PM   #223 
  - 16 year old girl killed mom with a knife last night in Seattle,  cliffordu   Mar-14-09 10:48 PM   #198 
  - You mean, like this guy?  Howzit   Mar-14-09 11:46 PM   #199 
  - How many people could a psycho kill with a knife? A baseball bat?  Rekoning7   Mar-23-09 04:39 PM   #215 
  - "dissent", "drugs", "comic books", "terrorism", and now "assault weapons"  friendly_iconoclast   Mar-15-09 02:42 PM   #201 
  - Serial Number Checks  rq4a   Mar-23-09 02:23 PM   #202 
 

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