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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 02:24 PM
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27. Do you have any arguments against gun control that doesn't involve obfuscation?
Just wondering.
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  -In 2006, 13,470 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. cliffordu  Jan-25-09 01:24 PM   #0 
  - LOL love it  Taverner   Jan-25-09 01:25 PM   #1 
  - .  SammyWinstonJack   Jan-25-09 01:27 PM   #2 
  - We have increased drunk driving penalties  sandnsea   Jan-25-09 01:27 PM   #3 
  - I know- the figure used to be 40 thousand a year.....  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 01:29 PM   #4 
  - It's not? You're kidding!!  sandnsea   Jan-25-09 01:49 PM   #16 
     - Gun addicts? Hmmm.....  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 01:50 PM   #17 
        - Absolutely. Gun Addicts.  sandnsea   Jan-25-09 01:55 PM   #18 
           - I don't have any guns. I could if I wanted to. That's kind of the point.  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 02:04 PM   #20 
           - Imagine sandnsea doesn't have anything else to say.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-25-09 11:12 PM   #64 
           - Aside from a few facists in WWII, none of my guns have ever harmed anyone.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 09:17 PM   #98 
           - it's really the only possible conclusion  iverglas   Jan-29-09 04:25 PM   #101 
  - Yes, and the founder of MADD quit in disgust because she felt they went too far.  tuckessee   Jan-25-09 10:49 PM   #58 
  - Waiting for: you can have my car  havocmom   Jan-25-09 01:31 PM   #5 
  - I tossed my fireproof bloomers the other day and am now trying  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 01:35 PM   #7 
  - If we could increase that by 148,000 per month it would solve unemployment  HereSince1628   Jan-25-09 01:32 PM   #6 
  - I'm with you. I think EVERYONE should drink and drive and carry automatic weapons...  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 01:36 PM   #8 
     - Exactly, while I'm in the bunker at my undisclosed location.  HereSince1628   Jan-25-09 02:13 PM   #22 
     - while smoking non-filtered cigarettes and eating twinkies spread with lard.  Hannah Bell   Jan-25-09 11:06 PM   #60 
        - lol. Now we're describing my family...Drunk, heavily armed, driving and eating  cliffordu   Jan-26-09 01:05 AM   #67 
  - We need an organization to protect us legal car owners from  old mark   Jan-25-09 01:37 PM   #9 
  - now yer talkin!!  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 01:38 PM   #10 
  - May I propose that we ban cars that look 'scary fast'?  petronius   Jan-25-09 01:40 PM   #11 
  - That's right. Anything that looks military in nature:  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 01:42 PM   #13 
  - No need to ban them. Just write the law  rrneck   Jan-30-09 12:00 AM   #106 
  - "Handguns are made for killing. They ain't no good for nothing else"  hfojvt   Jan-25-09 01:42 PM   #12 
  - I'm surprised there aren't more killings. A couple hundred million guns say  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 01:49 PM   #15 
  - I agree  Johonny   Jan-25-09 02:26 PM   #28 
  - I've used firearms correctly for over thirty years and never killed anyone.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-25-09 11:05 PM   #59 
     - Yep - I've been using them since the '50's without civilian casualty.  cliffordu   Jan-26-09 01:06 AM   #68 
  - Most guns must be defective...  Statistical   Jan-25-09 02:32 PM   #32 
  - many of them are used to kill non-human animals  hfojvt   Jan-25-09 03:47 PM   #42 
  - If quoting Lynyrd Skynyrd lyrics is the best you can do in this debate...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-26-09 01:15 AM   #71 
     - Point being...  varkam   Jan-26-09 05:33 AM   #73 
        - Counterpoint being...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-26-09 09:15 AM   #78 
           - That's not a counterpoint in that it has nothing to do with the line of argument...  varkam   Jan-26-09 10:53 AM   #80 
              - I believe that you are wrong...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-26-09 11:57 AM   #81 
                 - .  varkam   Jan-26-09 12:12 PM   #82 
                    - ...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-26-09 12:40 PM   #83 
  - well...way back when I went to school...  stillcool   Jan-25-09 01:43 PM   #14 
  - You Gun Obsessives Lose Every Time When You Talk About Cars  Paladin   Jan-25-09 01:57 PM   #19 
  - Confusing hardware with malicious acts is meaningless.  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 02:06 PM   #21 
  - If we took away drivers licenses for about 5 years and threw  barb162   Jan-25-09 02:16 PM   #23 
  - I don't want to ban automobiles but I do want to regulate them  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-25-09 02:18 PM   #24 
  - yep, exactly n/t  prayin4rain   Jan-25-09 02:20 PM   #25 
  - Yes, so let's license guns the same way.  alarimer   Jan-25-09 02:28 PM   #30 
  - Yep - I'm with you on both items.  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 02:29 PM   #31 
  - You broke the analogy....  Statistical   Jan-25-09 02:36 PM   #34 
  - then I'll include that  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-25-09 02:58 PM   #39 
  - However as of today there is no requirement for vehicles....  Statistical   Jan-25-09 03:09 PM   #40 
     - You missed my point  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-25-09 03:45 PM   #41 
     - watch out you don't trip on the elephant in the room  iverglas   Jan-29-09 04:39 PM   #103 
  - sadly, the analogy was already flawed  iverglas   Jan-29-09 04:34 PM   #102 
  - This is how I feel  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-25-09 02:55 PM   #37 
  - Licensing of both vehicles and drivers...  SidDithers   Jan-25-09 03:55 PM   #47 
  - Hmmm...  CRF450   Jan-25-09 11:26 PM   #66 
  - Another ridiculous strawman from the gun lobby.  JackDragna   Jan-25-09 02:22 PM   #26 
  - Do you have any arguments against gun control that doesn't involve obfuscation?  MajorChode   Jan-25-09 02:24 PM   #27 
  - Nope.  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 02:27 PM   #29 
     - We need a lot of things...  MajorChode   Jan-25-09 02:32 PM   #33 
        - My argument needs no strengthening.  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 02:42 PM   #35 
           - Poverty exists all over the world including all developed nations...  MajorChode   Jan-25-09 02:57 PM   #38 
              - Mogadishu.  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 03:51 PM   #43 
              - So let's assume your nonsense is correct (which it isn't)  MajorChode   Jan-25-09 04:27 PM   #54 
              - Do tell about these enormously successful programs, with cites please.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-25-09 11:07 PM   #61 
              - Am I your personal research service?  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 02:42 PM   #84 
                 - So you have no proof of these enormously successful programs, got it thanks.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-26-09 07:33 PM   #86 
                    - Have you always had this much trouble with reading comprehension?  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 07:08 AM   #89 
                       - People who offer facts and then can't back them up often rely on these tactics.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-27-09 11:20 AM   #91 
                       - Wingnuts are generally the ones who always demand "proof" but never provide any of their own  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 11:48 AM   #93 
                          - What have I offered as fact that you would like me to prove?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-27-09 01:38 PM   #94 
                             - Just the fact that your demands for "proof" are only on one side of the argument...  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 03:47 PM   #95 
                                - Most of the pro 2nd Amendment people here are very good at citing our facts.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-27-09 08:33 PM   #96 
                       - so you've met our Dave  iverglas   Jan-30-09 01:43 AM   #108 
              - The US is the most unequal of all the developed countries. With one of the poorest  Hannah Bell   Jan-25-09 11:13 PM   #65 
              - So where's the direct association?  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 02:54 PM   #85 
                 - I looked at the data...  jeepnstein   Jan-28-09 11:00 AM   #99 
                    - I'm pretty sure that's what he just said.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-29-09 04:20 PM   #100 
                    - So basically,  jeepnstein   Jan-29-09 05:23 PM   #104 
                       - Well, your second sentence  AtheistCrusader   Jan-29-09 06:10 PM   #105 
                    - nice try  iverglas   Jan-30-09 01:27 AM   #107 
              - Do tell about these enormously successful programs, don't even worry about the cites.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-27-09 08:38 PM   #97 
  - then treat guns like cars  dsc   Jan-25-09 02:46 PM   #36 
  - People like me.......  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 03:53 PM   #44 
  - You are the one decrying gun control  dsc   Jan-25-09 03:59 PM   #49 
  - Good point. Where I live, it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license. In fact,  Mike 03   Jan-25-09 03:54 PM   #46 
  - You can buy a gun from a licensed dealer easier than obtaining a drivers license?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-25-09 11:10 PM   #63 
  - I believe that would be unconstitutional.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-25-09 11:08 PM   #62 
  - Do cars serve any other purpose in society than to kill people?...nt  SidDithers   Jan-25-09 03:54 PM   #45 
  - In the long run, no.  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 04:10 PM   #50 
  - Oh but the terrorists are much more deserving of our attention. Yea right!  L0oniX   Jan-25-09 03:59 PM   #48 
  - Actually, it's probably better just to ban drinking alcohol. nt  old mark   Jan-25-09 04:19 PM   #51 
  - That's right!!!! No one will EVER kill themselves driving SOBER!!!!  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 04:24 PM   #52 
  - In 2007, some 41,059 people were killed in highway crashes, 13,000 of which were alcohol related  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-25-09 04:27 PM   #53 
  - And 379,000 people died taking a crap. We should outlaw FECES, too....  cliffordu   Jan-25-09 04:32 PM   #55 
     - Elvis has left the throne....  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-25-09 10:38 PM   #56 
        - lol. Lenny Bruce, too....  cliffordu   Jan-26-09 01:07 AM   #69 
  - And yet marijuana is illegal. Nt  gmudem   Jan-25-09 10:47 PM   #57 
  - Yep. Specially fully automatic fatties.  cliffordu   Jan-26-09 01:08 AM   #70 
  - Don't ban automobiles, ban alcohol.  Thothmes   Jan-26-09 05:29 AM   #72 
  - I fail to see the humour?  Darth_Kitten   Jan-26-09 07:57 AM   #74 
  - Yep I do.  cliffordu   Jan-26-09 08:20 AM   #76 
  - over 100 people drown in the bath each year and 70 die from burns...OUTLAW BATHS and SHOWERS  NightWatcher   Jan-26-09 08:03 AM   #75 
  - That's right!!!!  cliffordu   Jan-26-09 08:21 AM   #77 
  - Fucking car nuts. nt  anonymous171   Jan-26-09 09:16 AM   #79 
  - Are two or more Strawmen allowed in the Carpool Lane?  chollybocker   Jan-26-09 07:40 PM   #87 
  - Why not start with banning bombs and mines ..then worry about cars.  L0oniX   Jan-26-09 07:44 PM   #88 
  - now you're talking.  cliffordu   Jan-27-09 10:29 AM   #90 
  - If they were writing the Constitution today...  ieoeja   Jan-27-09 11:43 AM   #92 
 

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