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The Expired Assault Weapon ban didnt stop Columbine..or the hollywood shootout
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The AWB was worthless legislation and didnt stop gun crime at all.

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  -The Expired Assault Weapon ban didnt stop Columbine..or the hollywood shootout rangersmith82  Jan-25-09 02:59 PM   #0 
  - The Social Security Act didn't prevent all old people from living in poverty  MajorChode   Jan-25-09 03:04 PM   #1 
  - Banning drinking and driving didn't stop DUI accidents!  hlthe2b   Jan-25-09 03:07 PM   #2 
  - You are using a stunningly stupid arguing technique, if you are against the AWB.  AchtungToddler   Jan-25-09 03:09 PM   #3 
  - ....  hlthe2b   Jan-25-09 03:18 PM   #5 
     - We already have  HALO141   Jan-26-09 08:44 PM   #86 
  - who gives a shit? pointless point. n/t  frogcycle   Jan-25-09 03:16 PM   #4 
  - obviously you ,because you fu**ing replied  rangersmith82   Jan-25-09 08:48 PM   #19 
  - I get your point. You want to ban All guns.  onehandle   Jan-25-09 03:23 PM   #6 
  - My God! Murder laws haven't stopped murder! Let's legalize it!  villager   Jan-25-09 03:24 PM   #7 
  - Well this law expired...  rangersmith82   Jan-25-09 03:33 PM   #9 
     - well, sure, "stupid" from the standpoint of an NRA corporate lobbyist  villager   Jan-25-09 03:36 PM   #10 
        - Stats?  X_Digger   Jan-25-09 03:44 PM   #12 
        - Stats to show it wasn't?  villager   Jan-25-09 04:20 PM   #13 
        - Check the FBI stats.. no change  X_Digger   Jan-25-09 09:56 PM   #21 
        - The 94 AWB was part of a much larger bill that did a lot of things  MajorChode   Jan-25-09 05:40 PM   #15 
           - Source for JD study?  X_Digger   Jan-25-09 10:28 PM   #23 
           - While you're cherrypicking, don't forget these nuggets  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 02:11 PM   #53 
              - And yet..  X_Digger   Jan-26-09 03:09 PM   #55 
                 - And yet still you obfuscate....  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 03:47 PM   #56 
                    - So, aside from some anecdotal incidents  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 04:49 PM   #61 
                    - So we have to wait until hundreds of people are killed BEFORE we can regulate something?  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 06:00 PM   #70 
                       - The registration aspect is probably a good thing.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 06:16 PM   #73 
                          - I've never been a big advocate of outright bans  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 06:55 PM   #80 
                             - Some problems though.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 07:17 PM   #81 
                                - A good place to start is to try and figure out why  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 04:34 AM   #91 
                                   - Culture is too varied.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 01:45 PM   #99 
                    - Can't decide.. reductio ad absurdum or false dichotomy  X_Digger   Jan-26-09 04:56 PM   #62 
                    - Just add it to the collection of your other logical fallacies  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 05:40 PM   #66 
                       - Not really..  X_Digger   Jan-26-09 06:10 PM   #71 
                          - Really  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 07:19 PM   #82 
                             - Now THAT's spin..  X_Digger   Jan-26-09 08:36 PM   #84 
                                - So far you've posted nothing BUT spin  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 03:10 AM   #89 
                                   - Prevent != Decrease???  X_Digger   Jan-27-09 01:32 PM   #97 
                                      - How can you possibly know something that was not constant?  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 06:28 PM   #106 
                                         - effectiveness: impossible to answer.. ?  X_Digger   Jan-27-09 06:45 PM   #107 
                                            - So what's your solution?  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 07:09 PM   #110 
                                            - My last post this sub-thread..  X_Digger   Jan-27-09 08:25 PM   #113 
                                            - All of your proposed solutions are all well and good  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 08:45 PM   #114 
                                            - Sources?  AtheistCrusader   Jan-29-09 01:33 PM   #118 
                    - Heller does apply to the entire UNITED States just (not yet) to the States  Statistical   Jan-26-09 06:29 PM   #75 
                       - So it only applies to DC, Perry Mason, just like I said, duh  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 07:40 PM   #83 
                          - Are you dense or do you play one on TV  Statistical   Jan-26-09 08:37 PM   #85 
                             - And they forgot two *other* nongun legal precendents  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-26-09 11:17 PM   #88 
                             - Time to send up the flag  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 03:58 AM   #90 
           - Thanks, MajorChode! Too many in this forum take NRA talking points as holy writ!  villager   Jan-25-09 10:55 PM   #26 
        - Less than 3% of U.S. murders involve any type of rifle...  benEzra   Jan-25-09 09:57 PM   #22 
  - I think the AWB  rrneck   Jan-25-09 03:31 PM   #8 
  - villager, care to explain why the AWB needs to be renewed??  rangersmith82   Jan-25-09 04:31 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-09 03:39 PM   #11 
  - The AWB included a ban on LCMs  MajorChode   Jan-25-09 05:42 PM   #16 
     - So Constitutional rights are based on need?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-25-09 08:43 PM   #17 
     - Only LCM made after 1994  rangersmith82   Jan-25-09 08:45 PM   #18 
     - Yes, there will be a civil war if the government bans LCMs  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 01:51 PM   #52 
     - 10 rounds is a ridiculously low limit that was exceeded in the 1860's.  benEzra   Jan-25-09 09:48 PM   #20 
     - Ban Duct Tape!  X_Digger   Jan-25-09 10:33 PM   #24 
     - I do!  jeepnstein   Jan-26-09 07:52 AM   #48 
     - First demonstrate there is or has ever been such a thing as a 30 round clip.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 04:18 PM   #58 
        - Do I have to demonstrate the sky is blue, grass is green, and water is wet while I'm at it?  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 04:27 PM   #59 
           - Your absurdity is complaining about things that don't exist.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 04:36 PM   #60 
              - Now that you've taken absurdity to an art form...  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 05:07 PM   #63 
                 - Here's an idea.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 05:23 PM   #64 
                    - Here you go, colonel:  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 05:50 PM   #68 
                    - Very good, now look up Magazine.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 06:11 PM   #72 
                    - I'll stick with the dictionary definition, colonel  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 06:34 PM   #76 
                       - A dictionary definition you didn't even read isn't a legal definition.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 06:37 PM   #78 
                          - OK, so now just to have a discussion we must use only LEGAL definitions  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 04:45 AM   #92 
                             - Well, someone's laughing.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 05:03 AM   #93 
                                - I'll take that as a no.  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 06:59 AM   #94 
                                   - Sure if you mean 'no, Clip is not used in legislation and is not accurate'.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 10:13 AM   #95 
                                      - Really...  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 12:45 PM   #96 
                                         - Pretty bad appeal to authority.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 01:38 PM   #98 
                                            - Do you even know what "appeal to authority" means?  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 02:15 PM   #100 
                                               - Are you serious, I told you EXACTLY where to find the legal definition.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 03:43 PM   #101 
                                               - So much absurdity and ignorance, where do I start to correct you?  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 05:35 PM   #105 
                                               - Now who is putting words in whose mouth?  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 06:52 PM   #108 
                                               - Good point  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 08:24 PM   #112 
                                               - Meh.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-29-09 01:22 PM   #117 
                                               - Here, hey, why not, I'll use your own appeal to 'authority'  AtheistCrusader   Jan-27-09 03:50 PM   #102 
                                               - Notice the backhanded acknowledgement of Heller in all this "large capacity magazine" folderol?  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-27-09 04:34 PM   #103 
                                               - Notice the ratfuckery  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 05:29 PM   #104 
                                               - "Ratfuckery" - Interesting you should use this word.  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-27-09 06:54 PM   #109 
                                               - It does apply so well to you, no?  MajorChode   Jan-27-09 07:29 PM   #111 
                                               - Why? *You* want to do what already cost Democrats (and the country) dearly  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-27-09 09:04 PM   #115 
                                               - Ok, what happened to the Great Purple Hope of Gun Control?  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-28-09 08:55 PM   #116 
                    - How sad you are trying to ban things you don't even understand.  Statistical   Jan-26-09 06:40 PM   #79 
                    - You're *wrecking* the attempt to gin up a moral panic, you awful person you  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-26-09 05:51 PM   #69 
                       - It's not a hobbyhorse, it's an elephant  MajorChode   Jan-26-09 06:26 PM   #74 
                          - That's a pretty big strawman you're building there. I can see it from three counties over.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 06:35 PM   #77 
                          - If you want to save lives, keep the damn GOP out of power  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-26-09 10:50 PM   #87 
  - More people are killed by drunk drivers  callchet   Jan-25-09 10:51 PM   #25 
  - By your logic, then, drivers shouldn't be licensed in any way...  villager   Jan-25-09 10:56 PM   #27 
     - We have a speed limit.  callchet   Jan-25-09 11:26 PM   #28 
        - What would you say is the equivalent of a "speed limit" for guns  villager   Jan-25-09 11:35 PM   #29 
           - Was not trying to relate it to guns.  callchet   Jan-25-09 11:39 PM   #30 
           - Well, obviously. Your analogy doesn't hold up.  villager   Jan-25-09 11:41 PM   #31 
           - I did not analogize anything.  callchet   Jan-25-09 11:44 PM   #33 
           - Evidently not!  villager   Jan-25-09 11:50 PM   #36 
           - Was looking up gun deaths on CDC  callchet   Jan-25-09 11:46 PM   #34 
           - There is no way to legislate a reduction in gun deaths in the foreseeable future.  callchet   Jan-25-09 11:48 PM   #35 
              - Yes. I am sure the NRA has drummed that into your head.  villager   Jan-25-09 11:50 PM   #37 
                 - That is not NRA  callchet   Jan-26-09 12:01 AM   #38 
                 - Not letting virtually any type of military-style weapon proliferate on our city streets, maybe?  villager   Jan-26-09 12:16 AM   #39 
                    - That is not going to happen.  callchet   Jan-26-09 12:20 AM   #40 
                    - well, thanks to folks like you and NRA, perhaps not...  villager   Jan-26-09 12:25 AM   #41 
                       - Like I said, that is a fact.  callchet   Jan-26-09 12:33 AM   #43 
                          - Sigh. You forfeit sleep for "arguments" like this?  villager   Jan-26-09 12:35 AM   #44 
                             - Not arguing,  callchet   Jan-26-09 12:37 AM   #45 
                                - No, you're not -- in any meaningful, constructive way. This is like a Monty Python  villager   Jan-26-09 12:46 AM   #47 
                    - Besides that there are  callchet   Jan-26-09 12:26 AM   #42 
                       - Jesus Christ! You really don't read newspapers, do you?  villager   Jan-26-09 12:44 AM   #46 
                          - Less than 3% of U.S. murders involve any type of rifle, regardless of how the stock is shaped.  benEzra   Jan-26-09 08:11 AM   #49 
                          - Bet you never miss T.V. crime drama, do you?...  SteveM   Jan-26-09 02:42 PM   #54 
                 - I don't know where you think you are  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 05:47 PM   #67 
           - As many cell phones that we have on the highway  callchet   Jan-25-09 11:42 PM   #32 
           - Quite obviously, the National Firearms Act of 1934, which tightly controls automatic weapons.  benEzra   Jan-26-09 09:05 AM   #50 
           - There are several.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-26-09 05:38 PM   #65 
  - Both events involved firearms that were not legally acquired, manufactured, imported, or possessed  slackmaster   Jan-26-09 10:30 AM   #51 
     - I guess villager quit...  rangersmith82   Jan-26-09 04:13 PM   #57 
 

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