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Joe Steel Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 12:19 PM
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43. Guns are designed for killing.
While you may be correct about usage which isn't evil, it's contrary to the fundamental and usual intent of gun users. They want to kill and they select the artifiact designed to make killing fast, easy and safe. In my opinion, that makes them evil.
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  -Why the double standard when it comes to firearms? Fire_Medic_Dave  Jan-11-09 06:14 PM   #0 
  - Show me a gun owner falsely arrestedby the police  Chulanowa   Jan-11-09 06:16 PM   #1 
  - The man arrested in Denver during the Democratic National Convention comes to mind.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-11-09 06:19 PM   #3 
  - Here's one of the posts.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-11-09 06:22 PM   #4 
  - Um... that guy broke the law. I'm not cheering about it, but it says right in the news report  Political Heretic   Jan-11-09 06:26 PM   #6 
     - All charges were dropped, he joined DU and he still hadn't gotten his guns back last I heard.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-11-09 06:42 PM   #14 
     - he what?  iverglas   Jan-11-09 06:53 PM   #20 
        - I took him at his word.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-12-09 03:19 PM   #74 
     - He didn't break any laws, and wasn't carrying concealed  tburnsten   Jan-12-09 07:05 AM   #31 
  - Unregistered guns??  virginia mountainman   Jan-11-09 06:30 PM   #9 
  - I sorta lean towards gun registration myself.  Citizen Number 9   Jan-11-09 08:55 PM   #26 
     - If owning a gun creates a signicant risk of a person causing actionable harm...  slackmaster   Jan-12-09 02:27 AM   #30 
     - maybe  iverglas   Jan-12-09 12:04 PM   #40 
        - And why not?  gorfle   Jan-13-09 07:03 PM   #111 
           - maybe  iverglas   Jan-13-09 07:04 PM   #112 
              - Of course.  gorfle   Jan-13-09 08:36 PM   #115 
              - You should know about intervening causes...  DavidMS   Jan-25-09 08:31 AM   #180 
     - Modern gun laws are based on dejure racist gun laws...  SteveM   Jan-13-09 10:58 AM   #97 
     - just as modern sexual assault laws are based on de jure misogynist sexual assault laws  iverglas   Jan-13-09 04:44 PM   #105 
     - No registration, not sure about insurance.  gorfle   Jan-13-09 07:02 PM   #110 
  - Colorado does not have gun registration  tburnsten   Jan-12-09 07:07 AM   #32 
  - Yes, yes, and yes (nt)  Posteritatis   Jan-11-09 06:16 PM   #2 
  - Right wingers have built a "shrine" at Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc.  Hoyt   Jan-11-09 06:25 PM   #5 
  - Terrorists the government paid over 3 million dollars because the govt did nothing wrong huh.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-15-09 01:44 AM   #141 
  - I agree completely Fire_Medic_Dave  RamboLiberal   Jan-11-09 06:29 PM   #7 
  - Because of prejudice against guns I would suppose  The Straight Story   Jan-11-09 06:29 PM   #8 
  - Yes. If you are going to rant against illegal police actions, rant against them all.  uppityperson   Jan-11-09 06:34 PM   #10 
  - The anti-RKBA folks and the anti-cop folks are usually one in the same. Which makes no sense when...  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-11-09 06:37 PM   #11 
  - What a load!! Most cops want to see guns taken off the streets and out of our lives. nt  cabluedem   Jan-25-09 12:45 AM   #178 
     - Don't know where you got your info, but most cops  old mark   Jan-25-09 07:47 AM   #179 
  - One step at a time - how about if we skip your stated but unproven assumption  gristy   Jan-11-09 06:38 PM   #12 
  - As I said.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-11-09 06:44 PM   #15 
  - The fact that your OP was banished to DU's Guns forum supports your concern. n/t  jody   Jan-11-09 06:39 PM   #13 
  - Why was "LAX Cops catch another 'Moran' with 2 unloaded shotguns in SUV" not  jody   Jan-11-09 06:45 PM   #16 
  - That is the one I meant, that topic and poster within  uppityperson   Jan-11-09 06:50 PM   #19 
     - you're making a bunch of noise  iverglas   Jan-11-09 06:57 PM   #21 
     - I agree, I posted poorly and have asked for it to be deleted.  uppityperson   Jan-11-09 07:09 PM   #24 
     - Understand, it is curious that some DUers proclaim their support for all inalienable rights except  jody   Jan-11-09 07:05 PM   #22 
        - ... the right not to be deprived of life without due process  iverglas   Jan-11-09 07:06 PM   #23 
           - iverglas, what does that post have to do with this?  bertman   Jan-12-09 11:08 AM   #33 
              - well, if you follow the dots  iverglas   Jan-12-09 11:11 AM   #34 
                 - So, are you saying that owning a gun means that someone is going to be killed--  bertman   Jan-12-09 11:36 AM   #36 
                    - I am saying  iverglas   Jan-12-09 11:52 AM   #37 
                       - Obviously the person committing a robbery was going to give everyone "due process".  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 11:54 AM   #38 
                       - it's a hopeless task  iverglas   Jan-12-09 12:02 PM   #39 
                          - What is your whole argument then? You speak about "due process" as if it has something to do....  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 12:08 PM   #41 
                             - educate yourself  iverglas   Jan-12-09 12:28 PM   #44 
                             - read the constitution...not the Brady version of it.  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 12:36 PM   #47 
                                - your Constitution, for your edification  iverglas   Jan-12-09 12:41 PM   #48 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-09 12:59 PM   #53 
                                   - you, "sir"  iverglas   Jan-12-09 01:00 PM   #54 
                                   - Historical quotes..  X_Digger   Jan-12-09 02:52 PM   #71 
                                   - seems I don't give a shit  iverglas   Jan-12-09 02:57 PM   #72 
                                      - If you're so dismissive..  X_Digger   Jan-12-09 05:29 PM   #78 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-09 06:06 PM   #80 
                                      - such sad ignorance  iverglas   Jan-12-09 06:30 PM   #82 
                                      - lordy  iverglas   Jan-12-09 06:29 PM   #81 
                                      - "slave-owning, propertied-class white guys"  Raskolnik   Jan-14-09 11:29 AM   #133 
                                   - Errmmm...  beevul   Jan-13-09 01:58 AM   #86 
                                      - did you have a point?  iverglas   Jan-13-09 07:15 AM   #93 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-13-09 11:04 AM   #98 
                                         - Yeah. the point was to ask you a question. Care to answer it?  beevul   Jan-14-09 01:01 AM   #128 
                             - If I may... (if not, or I am wrong - I apologize!). Iverglas refers to the fact  jmg257   Jan-12-09 12:42 PM   #49 
                                - so if that person has the intent to deprive you of life with due process, that's okay?  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 12:56 PM   #52 
                                - so you beat your dog twice daily?  iverglas   Jan-12-09 01:02 PM   #56 
                                - You can't answer the question.  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 01:04 PM   #58 
                                   - evidently, neither can you  iverglas   Jan-12-09 01:05 PM   #60 
                                      - I don't have a dog.  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 01:05 PM   #61 
                                - Nope - not Ok at all. Not with me anyway, and not with society. Which is why his death  jmg257   Jan-12-09 01:03 PM   #57 
                                - Now, one might argue that the amendment being discussed  jmg257   Jan-12-09 01:20 PM   #64 
                                   - The laws are against murder and manslaughter, not homicide  tburnsten   Jan-14-09 06:23 AM   #129 
                                      - Which laws? Where? In the state I live in, there are certainly laws against homicide...  jmg257   Jan-14-09 11:10 AM   #132 
                                         - I forgot about negligent homicide  tburnsten   Jan-14-09 01:57 PM   #140 
                                            - you forgot about murder and manslaughter too  iverglas   Jan-18-09 02:16 PM   #161 
                                            - oh iverglas, you are just nitpicking ... words don't really MEAN anything specific!  Scout   Jan-19-09 10:37 AM   #165 
                                - in a nutshell  iverglas   Jan-12-09 01:01 PM   #55 
                       - The right to not be deprived of life without due process goes both ways  tburnsten   Jan-12-09 12:46 PM   #50 
                       - It's almost not worth it to bother with iverglas - s/he is just so smug and sees everything in B/W  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 12:53 PM   #51 
                       - "why should you just go along with it?"  iverglas   Jan-12-09 01:04 PM   #59 
                          - obviously you're going to continue to see everything in black-and-white  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 01:10 PM   #63 
                          - Nobody is allowed to kill others "with impunity"  tburnsten   Jan-12-09 01:21 PM   #66 
                          - well, we could play this circle game indefinitely  iverglas   Jan-12-09 01:41 PM   #67 
                             - We can play it indefinitely  tburnsten   Jan-12-09 01:50 PM   #69 
                                - what the fuck is your problem?  iverglas   Jan-12-09 03:36 PM   #76 
                                   - So you have only been posting about hypothetical situations?  tburnsten   Jan-13-09 06:40 AM   #91 
                          - Nah,  gorfle   Jan-13-09 08:22 PM   #114 
                             - do you need to look up "impunity" now?  iverglas   Jan-13-09 09:01 PM   #118 
                                - No.  gorfle   Jan-14-09 12:43 PM   #139 
                       - On the Bill of Rights  gorfle   Jan-13-09 08:19 PM   #113 
                          - one does tire  iverglas   Jan-13-09 09:00 PM   #117 
                          - I'm having a pretty hard time figuring out what you are attempting to communicate to us  tburnsten   Jan-13-09 09:05 PM   #119 
                          - I feel  iverglas   Jan-13-09 09:08 PM   #120 
                             - What he is on about.  gorfle   Jan-14-09 12:35 PM   #136 
                                - Thank you for distilling it  tburnsten   Jan-16-09 10:46 AM   #150 
                          - Inalienable.  gorfle   Jan-14-09 12:27 PM   #135 
                          - You're wasting your time, Gorfle.  beevul   Jan-13-09 11:01 PM   #125 
                          - Bwhahahahah!  gorfle   Jan-14-09 12:41 PM   #137 
                          - You should stick to Canadian law, because your knowledge of the U.S. Constitution is a bit lacking  Raskolnik   Jan-14-09 10:47 AM   #131 
                             - Well and simply put.  gorfle   Jan-14-09 12:42 PM   #138 
                             - at least I'm not dishonest  iverglas   Jan-16-09 01:28 PM   #154 
  - Very interesting it seems a suitable topic for General Discussion.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-11-09 06:46 PM   #17 
     - And I don't argue with mods either but the unequal treatment is interesting. n/t  jody   Jan-11-09 06:48 PM   #18 
  - Malum in se  Joe Steel   Jan-11-09 08:42 PM   #25 
  - Guns are not inherently evil.  rrneck   Jan-11-09 10:45 PM   #27 
  - Objects do not have the attribute of good/evil.  ManiacJoe   Jan-12-09 12:43 AM   #28 
  - It's very easy to prove that guns are not inherently evil  slackmaster   Jan-12-09 02:25 AM   #29 
  - Guns are designed for killing.  Joe Steel   Jan-12-09 12:19 PM   #43 
     - IF the only intent of some "gun users" was to kill, you may be right. I really do not know too many  jmg257   Jan-12-09 12:30 PM   #45 
     - A lot of gun users want to keep people from killing them.  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-12-09 01:08 PM   #62 
        - Surely, as I am 1. And then owning guns that allow one to do so efficiently and safely  jmg257   Jan-12-09 01:48 PM   #68 
     - Killing is not inherently evil  slackmaster   Jan-12-09 01:20 PM   #65 
     - I have no intent or desire to kill anyone or anything with my firearms.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-12-09 03:23 PM   #75 
     - The 'intent' of a gun..  X_Digger   Jan-12-09 05:46 PM   #79 
     - ooh scary evil guns.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 01:12 AM   #85 
  - I do think  iverglas   Jan-12-09 11:12 AM   #35 
  - What does that mean?  Joe Steel   Jan-12-09 12:15 PM   #42 
     - I'm sorry, but  iverglas   Jan-12-09 12:31 PM   #46 
        - We have to have some balance.  Joe Steel   Jan-12-09 02:41 PM   #70 
           - Two arguments you bring up.  raimius   Jan-12-09 02:57 PM   #73 
           - ah  iverglas   Jan-12-09 03:38 PM   #77 
              - What does it all mean?  Joe Steel   Jan-13-09 06:35 AM   #90 
                 - ah, words  iverglas   Jan-13-09 04:58 PM   #106 
                    - It's not.  Joe Steel   Jan-13-09 06:23 PM   #109 
                       - You see what's funny is...  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-15-09 02:26 AM   #142 
                          - I'm glad I could prove your point wrong.  Joe Steel   Jan-15-09 06:48 AM   #143 
                             - When you are the only person that agrees with you, you might want to rethink things.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-15-09 03:53 PM   #144 
                             - What makes you think no one agrees with me?  Joe Steel   Jan-15-09 05:07 PM   #145 
                                - Guns aren't any more evil than knives or cars.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-15-09 08:23 PM   #146 
                                - Did you see my comment...  Joe Steel   Jan-16-09 10:19 AM   #149 
                                   - So you think all medications are poison?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-16-09 04:13 PM   #157 
                                      - That's what the doctor said.  Joe Steel   Jan-16-09 04:20 PM   #158 
                                         - Do you agree?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-16-09 04:26 PM   #159 
                                         - Again do you agree with your doctor friend?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-18-09 01:09 AM   #160 
                                         - Once more, do you agree with your doctor friends assertion that all medications are poison?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-19-09 12:25 AM   #162 
                                            - Yes. What's the problem?  Joe Steel   Jan-19-09 11:26 AM   #167 
                                            - I just wanted to make sure.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-19-09 04:38 PM   #168 
                                - Well for one thing  tburnsten   Jan-16-09 11:08 AM   #152 
                             - You are a lark  tburnsten   Jan-16-09 11:08 AM   #151 
                                - I couldn't...  Joe Steel   Jan-16-09 11:16 AM   #153 
                                   - Thank you for your dedication and commitment  tburnsten   Jan-16-09 02:10 PM   #156 
  - Inherently evil  Joe Steel   Jan-13-09 06:46 AM   #92 
     - Guns, like all other objects, do not have the ability  ManiacJoe   Jan-13-09 01:44 PM   #99 
     - Physical evil includes all that causes harm to man...  Joe Steel   Jan-13-09 03:26 PM   #100 
        - Unfortunate to have to, but let's read that again..  jmg257   Jan-13-09 03:49 PM   #101 
        - You won't get an answer since you just destroyed his argument.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-15-09 08:28 PM   #148 
        - That would be a rather abnormal definition.  ManiacJoe   Jan-13-09 04:09 PM   #104 
        - yeah, kinda like the *normal* definition of "righteous"  iverglas   Jan-13-09 05:02 PM   #108 
        - such fondness for archaic language hereabouts  iverglas   Jan-13-09 05:01 PM   #107 
        - So you see the evil in the gun.  Joe Steel   Jan-14-09 07:24 AM   #130 
           - No, I don't, so please don't say I do  iverglas   Jan-16-09 01:32 PM   #155 
              - Are you denying the evidence of your own eyes?  Joe Steel   Jan-19-09 09:47 AM   #163 
                 - one last, er, shot  iverglas   Jan-19-09 11:24 AM   #166 
                    - Nicely stated Iverlgas, I believe even my 3 year old nephew could understand that.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-19-09 04:50 PM   #169 
                    - so from now on  iverglas   Jan-19-09 05:55 PM   #170 
                       - Unlikely.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-19-09 06:08 PM   #171 
                    - Your logic is flawed.  Joe Steel   Jan-22-09 07:09 AM   #172 
                       - What If...  DrCory   Jan-22-09 02:10 PM   #173 
                       - You've admitted that guns have some beneficial uses.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-22-09 03:31 PM   #174 
        - Do you think medicine is evil?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-15-09 08:26 PM   #147 
           - Good point.  Joe Steel   Jan-19-09 09:49 AM   #164 
              - But you think all medications are poison.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-22-09 03:34 PM   #175 
                 - So?  Joe Steel   Jan-22-09 04:50 PM   #176 
                    - Poison-A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-22-09 07:24 PM   #177 
     - Seriously?  X_Digger   Jan-13-09 03:51 PM   #102 
  - Re: Shouldn't we be consistent in our support of our Constitutional Amendments?  fingrpik   Jan-12-09 11:23 PM   #83 
  - If you didn't hear outrage about those things on this forum it is because you ignored it.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 01:06 AM   #84 
     - No..  fingrpik   Jan-13-09 02:37 AM   #87 
        - This is the Guns forum, I would expect topics started about the 1st Amendment would be moved.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 06:30 AM   #89 
        - Uh Huh. Gun Owners...  fingrpik   Jan-13-09 08:59 AM   #94 
           - Who said Dems lost in 2000 and 2004 because of guns?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 04:08 PM   #103 
              - You Keep Asking The Same Question.  fingrpik   Jan-13-09 08:39 PM   #116 
                 - Are you saying that guns never play an issue in elections?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 10:10 PM   #121 
                 - this would be funny  iverglas   Jan-13-09 10:24 PM   #123 
                    - I don't think it's very polite of you to call fingrpik dumb.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 10:28 PM   #124 
                       - I'll bet  iverglas   Jan-13-09 11:06 PM   #126 
                          - Very nice. That's good stuff Iverglas. I almost woke my wife up laughing.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 11:10 PM   #127 
                 - So you just like to bitch about guns?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-13-09 10:18 PM   #122 
        - "point me to a single OP here that has addressed the erosion of any freedom other than RKBA"  Raskolnik   Jan-14-09 12:15 PM   #134 
  - Kudos To Double_Talk_Express!!  fingrpik   Jan-13-09 03:08 AM   #88 
     - I'd like to ...  iverglas   Jan-13-09 09:06 AM   #95 
        - Yeah, But Comment #11 Is Still There  fingrpik   Jan-13-09 09:23 AM   #96 
 

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