| 159. For the near time, an AWB won't make it out of committee. Here's why: |
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(1) Perhaps 15,000,000 U.S. civilians own the class of semi-auto carbine (mistakenly called an "assault weapon"); a number which exceed the number of licensed hunters in this country; (2) The semi-auto carbine is the fastest selling rifle in the U.S. (save for the ubiquitous .22); (3) The semi-auto carbine is rapidly becoming modified (chambered for larger rounds) so it will become the new hunting rifle.
(1) and (2) above point to a very large (and growing) constituency of voters who are well-aware of the issues involving gun-control, particularly as they pertain to semi-auto carbines (the so-called "assault weapons"). (3) above is just the latest evolution of obsolete military weapons to hunting/sport purposes. Once the firearm is painting in camo, has its stamped metal edges smoothed out and maybe a leaping deer embossed on the side, it will become increasingly difficult to "scare" the public using the old "black gun" imagery the gun-controllers have traded on for so long. It is ironic that gun-controllers/banners have intentionally confused the public by conflating full-auto assault rifles with semi-auto "assault-weapons" in order to make bans more palatable. Now, they must suffer the confusion of a "military-style" gun with a hunting rifle, the latter a firearm they claim not to want to ban.
As a certain reverend has said, the "chickens have come home to roost."
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| -When will Congress make its first serious push for another semi-auto ban, if at all? |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 01:54 PM |
#0 |
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Another cosmetic ban is a waste of time and just pisses off legal gun owners. eom |
smiley_glad_hands |
Jan-05-09 01:55 PM |
#1 |
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I agree... |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 01:59 PM |
#4 |
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How is a semi-auto ban "cosmetic"? |
MajorChode |
Jan-05-09 11:41 PM |
#61 |
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How is banning "scary looking guns" common sense regulation |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 12:10 AM |
#64 |
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Your point is? |
MajorChode |
Jan-06-09 12:51 AM |
#65 |
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The ban never was and never will be all semi-autos it always has been by apearance |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 07:30 AM |
#67 |
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Back up |
MajorChode |
Jan-06-09 10:16 AM |
#71 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-06-09 07:09 PM |
#109 |
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If banning by looks makes no sense, why wouldn't a ban by function be the more logical next step? |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 04:17 AM |
#130 |
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Banning by function would encompass a whole lot of firearms that most people would call "sporting" |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 03:06 PM |
#158 |
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You are correct that it would anger many people |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 03:45 PM |
#162 |
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cosmetics |
-Wolverine- |
Jan-12-09 03:40 PM |
#198 |
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Statistical, you stole my post! |
guntard |
Jan-07-09 09:32 AM |
#143 |
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"the majority of Americans favor more restrictive gun laws" |
derby378 |
Jan-06-09 08:36 AM |
#68 |
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You just won the Non Sequitur Medal of Valor |
MajorChode |
Jan-06-09 10:21 AM |
#72 |
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Why the HELL do you think the gun issue is about hunting? |
benEzra |
Jan-06-09 06:57 PM |
#107 |
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probably because the average ordinary, reasonable, decent person |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 06:56 AM |
#136 |
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Care to provide your data suggesting that more than 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunts? |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 07:14 AM |
#137 |
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plainly you were addressing someone else |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:33 AM |
#140 |
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Plainly, you are obfuscating. |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 10:12 AM |
#144 |
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fascinating |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 10:29 AM |
#145 |
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And... |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 10:48 AM |
#147 |
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it's like swimming in mud |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 11:00 AM |
#149 |
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As it relates to DEM policy on the issue, I think you have the vector precisely backward... |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 02:36 PM |
#157 |
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When it wants to ensure a Republican majority for a generation? NT |
dmallind |
Jan-05-09 01:57 PM |
#2 |
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Exactly right. nt |
XOKCowboy |
Jan-06-09 12:26 PM |
#80 |
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WHY? gun bans really don't do anything but piss off gun owners |
napi21 |
Jan-05-09 01:58 PM |
#3 |
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Let me put it to you this way... |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 02:01 PM |
#5 |
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So? They don't vote Democratic anyway. |
pending |
Jan-05-09 04:18 PM |
#17 |
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We didn't think we needed the evangelicals, either... |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 04:24 PM |
#21 |
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I don't think we should dismiss any voters out of hand. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 06:01 PM |
#34 |
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SOMEBODY must destroy the idea that all Dems want to take away your guns! |
napi21 |
Jan-05-09 11:50 PM |
#62 |
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I honestly think NRA is happy Obama won. |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 11:55 PM |
#63 |
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Nobody is going to take away peoples guns |
pending |
Jan-06-09 09:46 AM |
#70 |
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Weapons of war are already highly restricted. |
wartrace |
Jan-06-09 10:55 AM |
#73 |
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Weapons of war have been restricted since 1934 |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:12 PM |
#93 |
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Why allow hunting rifles? |
Howzit |
Jan-06-09 11:09 PM |
#122 |
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Considerably more Americans lawfully own "assault weapons" than hunt. |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 07:18 AM |
#138 |
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Does it make any difference to you that many hunting rifles are significantly more powerful |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 02:05 PM |
#154 |
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Like the hunting shotgun the Unitarian Church shooter used. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 06:08 PM |
#166 |
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what about self defense pistols |
bossy22 |
Jan-08-09 01:28 AM |
#173 |
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When the Democrats regain their electoral death wish. n/t |
blindpig |
Jan-05-09 02:08 PM |
#6 |
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Certainly hope so. |
pending |
Jan-05-09 02:22 PM |
#7 |
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What is your justification for this, though? |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 02:26 PM |
#8 |
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And.... |
dmallind |
Jan-05-09 02:36 PM |
#12 |
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What exactly are you proposing banning, pray tell? nt |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 02:29 PM |
#9 |
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Well its not my proposal. |
pending |
Jan-05-09 04:16 PM |
#16 |
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Again, you said that the last ban was purely "cosmetic" |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 04:22 PM |
#20 |
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See response below |
pending |
Jan-05-09 05:51 PM |
#28 |
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And there's no reason for anyone to need a vibrating cockring. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 06:08 PM |
#36 |
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LOL |
pending |
Jan-05-09 06:21 PM |
#37 |
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The word "need" in this context affects me like fingernails on a chalkboard |
slackmaster |
Jan-05-09 06:26 PM |
#38 |
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The Second Amendment and DC V. HELLER take issue with that assertion |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 08:53 PM |
#53 |
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But Heller affirms the constitutionality of reasonable restrictions |
pending |
Jan-05-09 09:33 PM |
#54 |
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Heller says a BAN on a class of lawful weapons is NOT constitutional. |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 10:01 PM |
#55 |
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Then the question becomes what defines class? |
pending |
Jan-05-09 10:14 PM |
#57 |
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SCOTUS specifically said weapons that are in common use are protected. |
Codename46 |
Jan-06-09 07:53 PM |
#114 |
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Actually, there's lots of reasons for needing semi-auto rifles. |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 11:25 PM |
#59 |
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As a left-handed shooter in a world filled with right-handed rifles, I couldn't agree more |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 12:19 PM |
#77 |
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There is no need for cars with automatic transmissions |
Howzit |
Jan-06-09 11:16 PM |
#123 |
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What about someone who has only one leg? |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 11:19 PM |
#124 |
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You need to have your eyes checked again, old chap |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 01:40 AM |
#127 |
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Sorry my sarcasm was not obvious enough |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 03:45 AM |
#129 |
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Well, I'd like an answer. What are you supporting a ban on? |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 04:33 PM |
#24 |
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assault weaponry of course |
pending |
Jan-05-09 05:50 PM |
#27 |
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So, how would ownership of a semiautomatic rifle with a 20-round magazine |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 05:57 PM |
#32 |
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That would be about 90% of firearms in united states. |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 05:57 PM |
#33 |
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Rest assured, I'm not writing policy |
pending |
Jan-05-09 06:27 PM |
#39 |
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Yay! |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 06:35 PM |
#40 |
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Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people |
Codename46 |
Jan-06-09 07:55 PM |
#115 |
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You still haven't said what you think an assault weapon is. |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 07:01 PM |
#44 |
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Well, how about this |
pending |
Jan-05-09 07:08 PM |
#45 |
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Leaving aside for a second the ambiguous, subjective nature of that definition, |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 07:33 PM |
#46 |
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That definition applies to virtually every modern semi-automatic gun. |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 11:24 PM |
#58 |
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FYI, the California ban has been largely side-stepped |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 12:22 PM |
#78 |
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Which would ban more hunting guns than "assault weapons"... |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 10:52 AM |
#148 |
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"reasonable price to pay for the lives saved " |
Howzit |
Jan-06-09 11:20 PM |
#125 |
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Why aren't you promoting amputation as a means to save lives? |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 01:45 AM |
#128 |
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hahaha, they aren't causing an exraordinary number of deaths |
tburnsten |
Jan-08-09 10:22 AM |
#178 |
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So, let's say I have a rifle worth about $5,000, that was legal when I purchased it. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 03:02 PM |
#185 |
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What in the world is a "buyback" |
ncguy |
Jan-06-09 09:58 PM |
#118 |
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'Buyback' programs encourage theft. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-07-09 12:19 PM |
#150 |
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Buyback programs also result in the destruction of a lot of antiques |
Statistical |
Jan-07-09 02:17 PM |
#155 |
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Jeez, maybe I should upgrade to an 01 FFL and quit my job |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 08:21 PM |
#168 |
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If we're lucky, the jackasses will shut up about guns entirely for the next 8 years |
Rabrrrrrr |
Jan-05-09 02:30 PM |
#10 |
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That would be SO refreshing |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 02:32 PM |
#11 |
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Never, I hope! n/t |
frebrd |
Jan-05-09 02:56 PM |
#13 |
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I think the Democrats have learned not to touch that issue |
gravity |
Jan-05-09 02:58 PM |
#14 |
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"unless the guns in the ban are becoming a problem for crime, I don't see it happening" |
Howzit |
Jan-08-09 02:44 AM |
#175 |
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Democrats need to drop the gun control issue like a bad habit. |
Alexander |
Jan-05-09 02:59 PM |
#15 |
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I agree but the DLC refused to let it go. |
anonymous171 |
Jan-05-09 04:21 PM |
#19 |
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The DLC members are split on this issue. |
Alexander |
Jan-05-09 04:28 PM |
#23 |
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The DLC: Guns=bad. Corporations= Good |
anonymous171 |
Jan-05-09 04:19 PM |
#18 |
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When they get tired of being in the majority |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-05-09 04:24 PM |
#22 |
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They better not even try... |
virginia mountainman |
Jan-05-09 04:41 PM |
#25 |
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When Obama get tired of it being "too easy" with Dems in Congress |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 04:47 PM |
#26 |
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Gun control is SO 1999. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-05-09 05:53 PM |
#29 |
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I don't give a shit. A ban on semiautomatics wouldn't do anything except |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 05:54 PM |
#30 |
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Never... unless Congress has become a hotbed of assholes. |
pl259 |
Jan-05-09 05:54 PM |
#31 |
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Why ? |
MazeRat7 |
Jan-05-09 06:03 PM |
#35 |
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Won't happen- too many Americans prefer repeated mass shootings |
depakid |
Jan-05-09 06:38 PM |
#41 |
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How many of the last 10 mass shootings involved an "assault weapon"? n/t |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 07:33 PM |
#47 |
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I'm in favor of all sorts of regulatory efforts. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 07:35 PM |
#48 |
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Actually, the rate of fire- and the number of bullets in semi-auto clip are important |
depakid |
Jan-05-09 07:55 PM |
#49 |
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I don't think anyone but you is talking about banning a ten-round handgun. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 08:17 PM |
#50 |
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Australia has- bought tons of 'em back after the last mass shooting in 1996 |
depakid |
Jan-05-09 08:40 PM |
#52 |
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I meant as regards this thread, either among previous thread participants or the Congress. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 02:01 PM |
#86 |
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Did the Autralian government own them to begin with? |
tburnsten |
Jan-09-09 08:01 AM |
#195 |
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But their overall level of violent crime has increased since the ban, has it not? |
derby378 |
Jan-09-09 08:57 AM |
#196 |
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So do you think it would have changed anything if both pistols had had 10 round clips? |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 11:30 PM |
#60 |
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He had a pistol |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-06-09 09:53 PM |
#117 |
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So is knowing what you're talking about |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 04:57 AM |
#132 |
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No evidence 10 round limit would have changed anything |
Statistical |
Jan-07-09 07:47 AM |
#139 |
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did that have something to do with what I said? |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:36 AM |
#141 |
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Yeah, it did |
tburnsten |
Jan-09-09 07:59 AM |
#194 |
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You can make up any definition you want |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-07-09 09:11 PM |
#171 |
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my dear chap |
iverglas |
Jan-08-09 01:37 AM |
#174 |
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He was a one-handed reloader? |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 03:12 PM |
#187 |
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I met a one-armed wallpaper hanger |
slackmaster |
Jan-08-09 04:18 PM |
#188 |
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How long it takes to reload matters most for sustained fire |
tburnsten |
Jan-09-09 07:49 AM |
#193 |
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You in OZ, Surprised you can still get here |
Pavulon |
Jan-06-09 06:59 PM |
#108 |
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first the homophobic bigotry, now the xenophobic ethnocentricity |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 04:50 AM |
#131 |
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Hopefully never, its useless and is a losing issue for us |
socordsx |
Jan-05-09 06:42 PM |
#42 |
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hopefully never. like the above posters said -- a semi-auto ban will do nothing. nt |
Double_Talk_Express |
Jan-05-09 06:56 PM |
#43 |
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If there are no semis and no autos |
SoCalDem |
Jan-05-09 08:20 PM |
#51 |
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Nope. Nor should they |
TheKentuckian |
Jan-05-09 10:05 PM |
#56 |
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Why can't gun people own bolt action rifles, or is that too restrictive of their "rights"? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:17 AM |
#66 |
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When our police and military start using only bolt-action rifles, I'll think about it |
derby378 |
Jan-06-09 08:55 AM |
#69 |
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Sure, buy as many guns as you can afford in case of Armageddon, I get it. |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 11:46 AM |
#74 |
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Let's apply your reasoning to some other portions of the Constitution... |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 12:18 PM |
#76 |
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Books don't kill people, we're done |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:48 PM |
#81 |
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You aren't terribly familiar with history if you think that. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:27 PM |
#95 |
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so, if I think reeeaaally hard ... |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 04:59 AM |
#133 |
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It would prove there is a first time for everything. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 01:29 PM |
#151 |
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My point was clear; I wasn't using language to deceive |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:17 PM |
#167 |
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If you disagree with my point, just state your disagreement. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 08:07 AM |
#177 |
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how does one "disagree with" bullshit?? |
iverglas |
Jan-08-09 10:45 AM |
#180 |
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You are either unable or unwilling to make your point. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 11:02 AM |
#182 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-07-09 03:45 PM |
#161 |
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Are you "so sick" of any other portions of the Constitution? |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 12:14 PM |
#75 |
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"Click" |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:50 PM |
#82 |
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Um...okay? |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:29 PM |
#96 |
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It isn't a rational or logical thought, it is emotional |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 02:39 PM |
#99 |
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I don't mind the "guns=bad" at all-it's a person's perfect right to like or dislike what they choose |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:42 PM |
#100 |
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I think you probably meant to address this to someone else |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 10:34 AM |
#146 |
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Perhaps if you want to make a snarky point about Jody, you should address the post to him/her. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 01:30 PM |
#152 |
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Bolt action rifles for left-handed shooters are scarce and expensive |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 12:23 PM |
#79 |
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Right, so we should allow these weapons so you aren't discriminated against as a lefty? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:51 PM |
#83 |
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Sure, why not? |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:00 PM |
#85 |
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Read my first post, I don't need to give you any good reason for my disapproval |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 02:03 PM |
#87 |
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I addressed your post in reply #79 |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:04 PM |
#89 |
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Until we get a majority in the Supreme Court, your phallic play toys are safe |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 02:07 PM |
#91 |
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I view them primarily as financial investments |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:09 PM |
#92 |
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Right, investments, that's another good one. |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 06:34 PM |
#103 |
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Your injury must have really blown out your logic center |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 06:40 PM |
#104 |
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Instead of baiting me, make your point the first time |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 06:46 PM |
#105 |
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You COULD have just looked at my profile |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 06:52 PM |
#106 |
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the natives have turned right nasty |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:59 AM |
#142 |
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What injury did you have? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 03:50 PM |
#164 |
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I think he's gone - I was actually making fun of his handle, not assuming he had a real brain injury |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 04:17 PM |
#165 |
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DrainB was looking for a reason to write you off and put you on ignore |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 08:41 PM |
#170 |
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Some curious, antiques and relics meet your bar for 'bannable guns'. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 03:05 PM |
#186 |
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I think DB doesn't understand that some C&Rs are semiautomatic |
slackmaster |
Jan-08-09 04:19 PM |
#189 |
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I have a $10k 50 cal |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-06-09 09:59 PM |
#119 |
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Fuggin-A dude, I only have about $4K in mine |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 11:03 PM |
#121 |
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Maybe he went to get a tissue |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-08-09 05:31 PM |
#191 |
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Why are you gun grabbers so infatuated with male genitalia? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 03:48 PM |
#163 |
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So gun grabbers like cock?? |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-08-09 05:26 PM |
#190 |
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YAY reversing supreme court decisions |
bossy22 |
Jan-08-09 01:15 AM |
#172 |
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I agree with you. When there's no social value residing in the ban of a substance or object, |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 02:04 PM |
#88 |
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My answer is: because I haven't seen a convincing case suggesting that |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 01:57 PM |
#84 |
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I don't have to prove shit, gunnies have a sympathetic Supreme Court |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 02:05 PM |
#90 |
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The only gun I own shoots BBs, so leave the "you guys" aside. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 02:12 PM |
#94 |
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Freedom: a concept sadly not well understood on this "progressive" site (n/t) |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 02:31 PM |
#97 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-06-09 04:22 PM |
#101 |
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snork; I read 116 first |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 05:02 AM |
#135 |
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The Government bans marijuana, and no one has ever been (proven) killed by smoking it |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 07:15 PM |
#110 |
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The cannabis ban is idiotic... |
benEzra |
Jan-06-09 07:22 PM |
#112 |
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I think the ban of weed is misguided HOWEVER there is no constitutional right to get high (n/t) |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 09:22 PM |
#116 |
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you poor benighted savages |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 05:00 AM |
#134 |
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Iverglas as the defender of "liberty." Up is down, black is white, cats and dogs are living together |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 01:34 PM |
#153 |
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and you have always been at war Eastasia |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:23 PM |
#169 |
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Are you being paid by the non sequitur? |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 07:58 AM |
#176 |
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good lord |
iverglas |
Jan-08-09 10:41 AM |
#179 |
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You aren't saying anything at all. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 10:52 AM |
#181 |
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It doesnt matter |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-06-09 10:13 PM |
#120 |
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Authoritarians like you scare me. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:34 PM |
#98 |
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Why can't reporters use Underwood typewriters and quill pens? |
benEzra |
Jan-06-09 07:18 PM |
#111 |
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Not the dreaded threat of being ignored. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 03:44 PM |
#160 |
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'gunnies' in 'trailers'? |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 02:56 PM |
#184 |
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2 years at the earliest perhaps. |
D__S |
Jan-06-09 04:25 PM |
#102 |
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I'm scared! Protect me government! |
chrisa |
Jan-06-09 07:31 PM |
#113 |
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Hopefully never |
X_Digger |
Jan-06-09 11:23 PM |
#126 |
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OTHER! |
FORREST GRUMP |
Jan-07-09 02:26 PM |
#156 |
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For the near time, an AWB won't make it out of committee. Here's why: |
SteveM |
Jan-07-09 03:17 PM |
#159 |
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You mean like this? |
rrneck |
Jan-08-09 11:21 AM |
#183 |
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In additional we have 3 new factors |
Statistical |
Jan-08-09 06:09 PM |
#192 |
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Never. I like to think the majority of Democrats are not stupid |
old mark |
Jan-11-09 07:32 AM |
#197 |
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GUNS AND Y-O-U-R AMMO!! |
gobhock |
Jan-28-09 06:10 PM |
#199 |