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159. For the near time, an AWB won't make it out of committee. Here's why:
(1) Perhaps 15,000,000 U.S. civilians own the class of semi-auto carbine (mistakenly called an "assault weapon"); a number which exceed the number of licensed hunters in this country;
(2) The semi-auto carbine is the fastest selling rifle in the U.S. (save for the ubiquitous .22);
(3) The semi-auto carbine is rapidly becoming modified (chambered for larger rounds) so it will become the new hunting rifle.

(1) and (2) above point to a very large (and growing) constituency of voters who are well-aware of the issues involving gun-control, particularly as they pertain to semi-auto carbines (the so-called "assault weapons"). (3) above is just the latest evolution of obsolete military weapons to hunting/sport purposes. Once the firearm is painting in camo, has its stamped metal edges smoothed out and maybe a leaping deer embossed on the side, it will become increasingly difficult to "scare" the public using the old "black gun" imagery the gun-controllers have traded on for so long. It is ironic that gun-controllers/banners have intentionally confused the public by conflating full-auto assault rifles with semi-auto "assault-weapons" in order to make bans more palatable. Now, they must suffer the confusion of a "military-style" gun with a hunting rifle, the latter a firearm they claim not to want to ban.

As a certain reverend has said, the "chickens have come home to roost."
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  -When will Congress make its first serious push for another semi-auto ban, if at all? derby378  Jan-05-09 01:54 PM   #0 
  - Another cosmetic ban is a waste of time and just pisses off legal gun owners. eom  smiley_glad_hands   Jan-05-09 01:55 PM   #1 
  - I agree...  derby378   Jan-05-09 01:59 PM   #4 
  - How is a semi-auto ban "cosmetic"?  MajorChode   Jan-05-09 11:41 PM   #61 
     - How is banning "scary looking guns" common sense regulation  Statistical   Jan-06-09 12:10 AM   #64 
     - Your point is?  MajorChode   Jan-06-09 12:51 AM   #65 
     - The ban never was and never will be all semi-autos it always has been by apearance  Statistical   Jan-06-09 07:30 AM   #67 
     - Back up  MajorChode   Jan-06-09 10:16 AM   #71 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-06-09 07:09 PM   #109 
     - If banning by looks makes no sense, why wouldn't a ban by function be the more logical next step?  Howzit   Jan-07-09 04:17 AM   #130 
        - Banning by function would encompass a whole lot of firearms that most people would call "sporting"  slackmaster   Jan-07-09 03:06 PM   #158 
           - You are correct that it would anger many people  Howzit   Jan-07-09 03:45 PM   #162 
     - cosmetics  -Wolverine-   Jan-12-09 03:40 PM   #198 
     - Statistical, you stole my post!  guntard   Jan-07-09 09:32 AM   #143 
     - "the majority of Americans favor more restrictive gun laws"  derby378   Jan-06-09 08:36 AM   #68 
     - You just won the Non Sequitur Medal of Valor  MajorChode   Jan-06-09 10:21 AM   #72 
     - Why the HELL do you think the gun issue is about hunting?  benEzra   Jan-06-09 06:57 PM   #107 
        - probably because the average ordinary, reasonable, decent person  iverglas   Jan-07-09 06:56 AM   #136 
           - Care to provide your data suggesting that more than 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunts?  benEzra   Jan-07-09 07:14 AM   #137 
              - plainly you were addressing someone else  iverglas   Jan-07-09 08:33 AM   #140 
                 - Plainly, you are obfuscating.  benEzra   Jan-07-09 10:12 AM   #144 
                    - fascinating  iverglas   Jan-07-09 10:29 AM   #145 
                       - And...  benEzra   Jan-07-09 10:48 AM   #147 
                          - it's like swimming in mud  iverglas   Jan-07-09 11:00 AM   #149 
                             - As it relates to DEM policy on the issue, I think you have the vector precisely backward...  benEzra   Jan-07-09 02:36 PM   #157 
  - When it wants to ensure a Republican majority for a generation? NT  dmallind   Jan-05-09 01:57 PM   #2 
  - Exactly right. nt  XOKCowboy   Jan-06-09 12:26 PM   #80 
  - WHY? gun bans really don't do anything but piss off gun owners  napi21   Jan-05-09 01:58 PM   #3 
  - Let me put it to you this way...  derby378   Jan-05-09 02:01 PM   #5 
  - So? They don't vote Democratic anyway.  pending   Jan-05-09 04:18 PM   #17 
     - We didn't think we needed the evangelicals, either...  derby378   Jan-05-09 04:24 PM   #21 
     - I don't think we should dismiss any voters out of hand.  Occam Bandage   Jan-05-09 06:01 PM   #34 
     - SOMEBODY must destroy the idea that all Dems want to take away your guns!  napi21   Jan-05-09 11:50 PM   #62 
        - I honestly think NRA is happy Obama won.  Statistical   Jan-05-09 11:55 PM   #63 
        - Nobody is going to take away peoples guns  pending   Jan-06-09 09:46 AM   #70 
           - Weapons of war are already highly restricted.  wartrace   Jan-06-09 10:55 AM   #73 
           - Weapons of war have been restricted since 1934  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 02:12 PM   #93 
           - Why allow hunting rifles?  Howzit   Jan-06-09 11:09 PM   #122 
           - Considerably more Americans lawfully own "assault weapons" than hunt.  benEzra   Jan-07-09 07:18 AM   #138 
           - Does it make any difference to you that many hunting rifles are significantly more powerful  Raskolnik   Jan-07-09 02:05 PM   #154 
           - Like the hunting shotgun the Unitarian Church shooter used.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-07-09 06:08 PM   #166 
           - what about self defense pistols  bossy22   Jan-08-09 01:28 AM   #173 
  - When the Democrats regain their electoral death wish. n/t  blindpig   Jan-05-09 02:08 PM   #6 
  - Certainly hope so.  pending   Jan-05-09 02:22 PM   #7 
  - What is your justification for this, though?  derby378   Jan-05-09 02:26 PM   #8 
  - And....  dmallind   Jan-05-09 02:36 PM   #12 
  - What exactly are you proposing banning, pray tell? nt  TheWraith   Jan-05-09 02:29 PM   #9 
  - Well its not my proposal.  pending   Jan-05-09 04:16 PM   #16 
     - Again, you said that the last ban was purely "cosmetic"  derby378   Jan-05-09 04:22 PM   #20 
     - See response below  pending   Jan-05-09 05:51 PM   #28 
        - And there's no reason for anyone to need a vibrating cockring.  Occam Bandage   Jan-05-09 06:08 PM   #36 
        - LOL  pending   Jan-05-09 06:21 PM   #37 
        - The word "need" in this context affects me like fingernails on a chalkboard  slackmaster   Jan-05-09 06:26 PM   #38 
        - The Second Amendment and DC V. HELLER take issue with that assertion  derby378   Jan-05-09 08:53 PM   #53 
        - But Heller affirms the constitutionality of reasonable restrictions  pending   Jan-05-09 09:33 PM   #54 
           - Heller says a BAN on a class of lawful weapons is NOT constitutional.  Statistical   Jan-05-09 10:01 PM   #55 
              - Then the question becomes what defines class?  pending   Jan-05-09 10:14 PM   #57 
                 - SCOTUS specifically said weapons that are in common use are protected.  Codename46   Jan-06-09 07:53 PM   #114 
        - Actually, there's lots of reasons for needing semi-auto rifles.  TheWraith   Jan-05-09 11:25 PM   #59 
        - As a left-handed shooter in a world filled with right-handed rifles, I couldn't agree more  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 12:19 PM   #77 
        - There is no need for cars with automatic transmissions  Howzit   Jan-06-09 11:16 PM   #123 
           - What about someone who has only one leg?  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 11:19 PM   #124 
              - You need to have your eyes checked again, old chap  Howzit   Jan-07-09 01:40 AM   #127 
                 - Sorry my sarcasm was not obvious enough  slackmaster   Jan-07-09 03:45 AM   #129 
     - Well, I'd like an answer. What are you supporting a ban on?  TheWraith   Jan-05-09 04:33 PM   #24 
        - assault weaponry of course  pending   Jan-05-09 05:50 PM   #27 
           - So, how would ownership of a semiautomatic rifle with a 20-round magazine  Occam Bandage   Jan-05-09 05:57 PM   #32 
           - That would be about 90% of firearms in united states.  Statistical   Jan-05-09 05:57 PM   #33 
           - Rest assured, I'm not writing policy  pending   Jan-05-09 06:27 PM   #39 
              - Yay!  Statistical   Jan-05-09 06:35 PM   #40 
              - Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people  Codename46   Jan-06-09 07:55 PM   #115 
           - You still haven't said what you think an assault weapon is.  TheWraith   Jan-05-09 07:01 PM   #44 
           - Well, how about this  pending   Jan-05-09 07:08 PM   #45 
              - Leaving aside for a second the ambiguous, subjective nature of that definition,  Occam Bandage   Jan-05-09 07:33 PM   #46 
              - That definition applies to virtually every modern semi-automatic gun.  TheWraith   Jan-05-09 11:24 PM   #58 
              - FYI, the California ban has been largely side-stepped  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 12:22 PM   #78 
              - Which would ban more hunting guns than "assault weapons"...  benEzra   Jan-07-09 10:52 AM   #148 
           - "reasonable price to pay for the lives saved "  Howzit   Jan-06-09 11:20 PM   #125 
           - Why aren't you promoting amputation as a means to save lives?  Howzit   Jan-07-09 01:45 AM   #128 
           - hahaha, they aren't causing an exraordinary number of deaths  tburnsten   Jan-08-09 10:22 AM   #178 
           - So, let's say I have a rifle worth about $5,000, that was legal when I purchased it.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-08-09 03:02 PM   #185 
  - What in the world is a "buyback"  ncguy   Jan-06-09 09:58 PM   #118 
     - 'Buyback' programs encourage theft.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-07-09 12:19 PM   #150 
        - Buyback programs also result in the destruction of a lot of antiques  Statistical   Jan-07-09 02:17 PM   #155 
           - Jeez, maybe I should upgrade to an 01 FFL and quit my job  slackmaster   Jan-07-09 08:21 PM   #168 
  - If we're lucky, the jackasses will shut up about guns entirely for the next 8 years  Rabrrrrrr   Jan-05-09 02:30 PM   #10 
  - That would be SO refreshing  derby378   Jan-05-09 02:32 PM   #11 
  - Never, I hope! n/t  frebrd   Jan-05-09 02:56 PM   #13 
  - I think the Democrats have learned not to touch that issue  gravity   Jan-05-09 02:58 PM   #14 
  - "unless the guns in the ban are becoming a problem for crime, I don't see it happening"  Howzit   Jan-08-09 02:44 AM   #175 
  - Democrats need to drop the gun control issue like a bad habit.  Alexander   Jan-05-09 02:59 PM   #15 
  - I agree but the DLC refused to let it go.  anonymous171   Jan-05-09 04:21 PM   #19 
     - The DLC members are split on this issue.  Alexander   Jan-05-09 04:28 PM   #23 
  - The DLC: Guns=bad. Corporations= Good  anonymous171   Jan-05-09 04:19 PM   #18 
  - When they get tired of being in the majority  RamboLiberal   Jan-05-09 04:24 PM   #22 
  - They better not even try...  virginia mountainman   Jan-05-09 04:41 PM   #25 
  - When Obama get tired of it being "too easy" with Dems in Congress  Statistical   Jan-05-09 04:47 PM   #26 
  - Gun control is SO 1999.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-05-09 05:53 PM   #29 
  - I don't give a shit. A ban on semiautomatics wouldn't do anything except  Occam Bandage   Jan-05-09 05:54 PM   #30 
  - Never... unless Congress has become a hotbed of assholes.  pl259   Jan-05-09 05:54 PM   #31 
  - Why ?  MazeRat7   Jan-05-09 06:03 PM   #35 
  - Won't happen- too many Americans prefer repeated mass shootings  depakid   Jan-05-09 06:38 PM   #41 
  - How many of the last 10 mass shootings involved an "assault weapon"? n/t  Statistical   Jan-05-09 07:33 PM   #47 
  - I'm in favor of all sorts of regulatory efforts.  Occam Bandage   Jan-05-09 07:35 PM   #48 
  - Actually, the rate of fire- and the number of bullets in semi-auto clip are important  depakid   Jan-05-09 07:55 PM   #49 
     - I don't think anyone but you is talking about banning a ten-round handgun.  Occam Bandage   Jan-05-09 08:17 PM   #50 
     - Australia has- bought tons of 'em back after the last mass shooting in 1996  depakid   Jan-05-09 08:40 PM   #52 
        - I meant as regards this thread, either among previous thread participants or the Congress.  Occam Bandage   Jan-06-09 02:01 PM   #86 
        - Did the Autralian government own them to begin with?  tburnsten   Jan-09-09 08:01 AM   #195 
        - But their overall level of violent crime has increased since the ban, has it not?  derby378   Jan-09-09 08:57 AM   #196 
     - So do you think it would have changed anything if both pistols had had 10 round clips?  TheWraith   Jan-05-09 11:30 PM   #60 
     - He had a pistol  rangersmith82   Jan-06-09 09:53 PM   #117 
     - So is knowing what you're talking about  iverglas   Jan-07-09 04:57 AM   #132 
        - No evidence 10 round limit would have changed anything  Statistical   Jan-07-09 07:47 AM   #139 
        - did that have something to do with what I said?  iverglas   Jan-07-09 08:36 AM   #141 
           - Yeah, it did  tburnsten   Jan-09-09 07:59 AM   #194 
        - You can make up any definition you want  rangersmith82   Jan-07-09 09:11 PM   #171 
           - my dear chap  iverglas   Jan-08-09 01:37 AM   #174 
     - He was a one-handed reloader?  AtheistCrusader   Jan-08-09 03:12 PM   #187 
     - I met a one-armed wallpaper hanger  slackmaster   Jan-08-09 04:18 PM   #188 
     - How long it takes to reload matters most for sustained fire  tburnsten   Jan-09-09 07:49 AM   #193 
  - You in OZ, Surprised you can still get here  Pavulon   Jan-06-09 06:59 PM   #108 
     - first the homophobic bigotry, now the xenophobic ethnocentricity  iverglas   Jan-07-09 04:50 AM   #131 
  - Hopefully never, its useless and is a losing issue for us  socordsx   Jan-05-09 06:42 PM   #42 
  - hopefully never. like the above posters said -- a semi-auto ban will do nothing. nt  Double_Talk_Express   Jan-05-09 06:56 PM   #43 
  - If there are no semis and no autos  SoCalDem   Jan-05-09 08:20 PM   #51 
  - Nope. Nor should they  TheKentuckian   Jan-05-09 10:05 PM   #56 
  - Why can't gun people own bolt action rifles, or is that too restrictive of their "rights"?  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 01:17 AM   #66 
  - When our police and military start using only bolt-action rifles, I'll think about it  derby378   Jan-06-09 08:55 AM   #69 
  - Sure, buy as many guns as you can afford in case of Armageddon, I get it.  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 11:46 AM   #74 
     - Let's apply your reasoning to some other portions of the Constitution...  Raskolnik   Jan-06-09 12:18 PM   #76 
        - Books don't kill people, we're done  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 01:48 PM   #81 
           - You aren't terribly familiar with history if you think that.  Raskolnik   Jan-06-09 02:27 PM   #95 
           - so, if I think reeeaaally hard ...  iverglas   Jan-07-09 04:59 AM   #133 
              - It would prove there is a first time for everything.  Raskolnik   Jan-07-09 01:29 PM   #151 
                 - My point was clear; I wasn't using language to deceive  iverglas   Jan-07-09 08:17 PM   #167 
                    - If you disagree with my point, just state your disagreement.  Raskolnik   Jan-08-09 08:07 AM   #177 
                       - how does one "disagree with" bullshit??  iverglas   Jan-08-09 10:45 AM   #180 
                          - You are either unable or unwilling to make your point.  Raskolnik   Jan-08-09 11:02 AM   #182 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-07-09 03:45 PM   #161 
  - Are you "so sick" of any other portions of the Constitution?  Raskolnik   Jan-06-09 12:14 PM   #75 
  - "Click"  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 01:50 PM   #82 
     - Um...okay?  Raskolnik   Jan-06-09 02:29 PM   #96 
        - It isn't a rational or logical thought, it is emotional  Statistical   Jan-06-09 02:39 PM   #99 
        - I don't mind the "guns=bad" at all-it's a person's perfect right to like or dislike what they choose  Raskolnik   Jan-06-09 02:42 PM   #100 
        - I think you probably meant to address this to someone else  iverglas   Jan-07-09 10:34 AM   #146 
           - Perhaps if you want to make a snarky point about Jody, you should address the post to him/her.  Raskolnik   Jan-07-09 01:30 PM   #152 
  - Bolt action rifles for left-handed shooters are scarce and expensive  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 12:23 PM   #79 
  - Right, so we should allow these weapons so you aren't discriminated against as a lefty?  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 01:51 PM   #83 
     - Sure, why not?  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 02:00 PM   #85 
        - Read my first post, I don't need to give you any good reason for my disapproval  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 02:03 PM   #87 
        - I addressed your post in reply #79  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 02:04 PM   #89 
           - Until we get a majority in the Supreme Court, your phallic play toys are safe  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 02:07 PM   #91 
              - I view them primarily as financial investments  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 02:09 PM   #92 
              - Right, investments, that's another good one.  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 06:34 PM   #103 
                 - Your injury must have really blown out your logic center  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 06:40 PM   #104 
                 - Instead of baiting me, make your point the first time  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 06:46 PM   #105 
                    - You COULD have just looked at my profile  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 06:52 PM   #106 
                    - the natives have turned right nasty  iverglas   Jan-07-09 08:59 AM   #142 
                    - What injury did you have?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-07-09 03:50 PM   #164 
                    - I think he's gone - I was actually making fun of his handle, not assuming he had a real brain injury  slackmaster   Jan-07-09 04:17 PM   #165 
                       - DrainB was looking for a reason to write you off and put you on ignore  Howzit   Jan-07-09 08:41 PM   #170 
                    - Some curious, antiques and relics meet your bar for 'bannable guns'.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-08-09 03:05 PM   #186 
                       - I think DB doesn't understand that some C&Rs are semiautomatic  slackmaster   Jan-08-09 04:19 PM   #189 
                 - I have a $10k 50 cal  rangersmith82   Jan-06-09 09:59 PM   #119 
                    - Fuggin-A dude, I only have about $4K in mine  slackmaster   Jan-06-09 11:03 PM   #121 
                       - Maybe he went to get a tissue  rangersmith82   Jan-08-09 05:31 PM   #191 
              - Why are you gun grabbers so infatuated with male genitalia?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-07-09 03:48 PM   #163 
              - So gun grabbers like cock??  rangersmith82   Jan-08-09 05:26 PM   #190 
              - YAY reversing supreme court decisions  bossy22   Jan-08-09 01:15 AM   #172 
        - I agree with you. When there's no social value residing in the ban of a substance or object,  Occam Bandage   Jan-06-09 02:04 PM   #88 
  - My answer is: because I haven't seen a convincing case suggesting that  Occam Bandage   Jan-06-09 01:57 PM   #84 
  - I don't have to prove shit, gunnies have a sympathetic Supreme Court  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 02:05 PM   #90 
     - The only gun I own shoots BBs, so leave the "you guys" aside.  Occam Bandage   Jan-06-09 02:12 PM   #94 
     - Freedom: a concept sadly not well understood on this "progressive" site (n/t)  Statistical   Jan-06-09 02:31 PM   #97 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-06-09 04:22 PM   #101 
     - snork; I read 116 first  iverglas   Jan-07-09 05:02 AM   #135 
     - The Government bans marijuana, and no one has ever been (proven) killed by smoking it  DainBramaged   Jan-06-09 07:15 PM   #110 
        - The cannabis ban is idiotic...  benEzra   Jan-06-09 07:22 PM   #112 
        - I think the ban of weed is misguided HOWEVER there is no constitutional right to get high (n/t)  Statistical   Jan-06-09 09:22 PM   #116 
        - you poor benighted savages  iverglas   Jan-07-09 05:00 AM   #134 
           - Iverglas as the defender of "liberty." Up is down, black is white, cats and dogs are living together  Raskolnik   Jan-07-09 01:34 PM   #153 
              - and you have always been at war Eastasia  iverglas   Jan-07-09 08:23 PM   #169 
                 - Are you being paid by the non sequitur?  Raskolnik   Jan-08-09 07:58 AM   #176 
                    - good lord  iverglas   Jan-08-09 10:41 AM   #179 
                       - You aren't saying anything at all. n/t  Raskolnik   Jan-08-09 10:52 AM   #181 
        - It doesnt matter  rangersmith82   Jan-06-09 10:13 PM   #120 
     - Authoritarians like you scare me.  Raskolnik   Jan-06-09 02:34 PM   #98 
  - Why can't reporters use Underwood typewriters and quill pens?  benEzra   Jan-06-09 07:18 PM   #111 
  - Not the dreaded threat of being ignored.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-07-09 03:44 PM   #160 
  - 'gunnies' in 'trailers'?  AtheistCrusader   Jan-08-09 02:56 PM   #184 
  - 2 years at the earliest perhaps.  D__S   Jan-06-09 04:25 PM   #102 
  - I'm scared! Protect me government!  chrisa   Jan-06-09 07:31 PM   #113 
  - Hopefully never  X_Digger   Jan-06-09 11:23 PM   #126 
  - OTHER!  FORREST GRUMP   Jan-07-09 02:26 PM   #156 
  - For the near time, an AWB won't make it out of committee. Here's why:  SteveM   Jan-07-09 03:17 PM   #159 
  - You mean like this?  rrneck   Jan-08-09 11:21 AM   #183 
  - In additional we have 3 new factors  Statistical   Jan-08-09 06:09 PM   #192 
  - Never. I like to think the majority of Democrats are not stupid  old mark   Jan-11-09 07:32 AM   #197 
  - GUNS AND Y-O-U-R AMMO!!  gobhock   Jan-28-09 06:10 PM   #199 

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