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The actual fact is that gun militants are a lunatic right-wing fringe group, and basically nobody gives a crap what they think aside from the fact that they are backed by deep pockets And we American Dem and indie gun owners should give a crap about what Canadian curmudgeons think about us because...? Gun owners are an influential voting bloc not because of money (the entire U.S. gun industry is worth less than McDonald's, IIRC) but because there are so damn many of us, we tend to vote at higher rates than the general population, and because so many of us actually care about the issue. The DLC would not have picked this particular fight in 1994 had they not been under the gun owner = hunter misconception, because most progressives in OUR country do not consider gun bans a high priority. They attacked nonhunting guns because they thought it would be a way to look "tough on crime" to law-and-order types, while the pandering about hunting would prevent a gun-owner backlash. Problem was, "gun owner" and "hunter" aren't even close to synonymous in OUR country... |
| -When will Congress make its first serious push for another semi-auto ban, if at all? |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 01:54 PM |
#0 |
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Another cosmetic ban is a waste of time and just pisses off legal gun owners. eom |
smiley_glad_hands |
Jan-05-09 01:55 PM |
#1 |
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I agree... |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 01:59 PM |
#4 |
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How is a semi-auto ban "cosmetic"? |
MajorChode |
Jan-05-09 11:41 PM |
#61 |
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How is banning "scary looking guns" common sense regulation |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 12:10 AM |
#64 |
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Your point is? |
MajorChode |
Jan-06-09 12:51 AM |
#65 |
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The ban never was and never will be all semi-autos it always has been by apearance |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 07:30 AM |
#67 |
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Back up |
MajorChode |
Jan-06-09 10:16 AM |
#71 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-06-09 07:09 PM |
#109 |
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If banning by looks makes no sense, why wouldn't a ban by function be the more logical next step? |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 04:17 AM |
#130 |
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Banning by function would encompass a whole lot of firearms that most people would call "sporting" |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 03:06 PM |
#158 |
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You are correct that it would anger many people |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 03:45 PM |
#162 |
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cosmetics |
-Wolverine- |
Jan-12-09 03:40 PM |
#198 |
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Statistical, you stole my post! |
guntard |
Jan-07-09 09:32 AM |
#143 |
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"the majority of Americans favor more restrictive gun laws" |
derby378 |
Jan-06-09 08:36 AM |
#68 |
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You just won the Non Sequitur Medal of Valor |
MajorChode |
Jan-06-09 10:21 AM |
#72 |
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Why the HELL do you think the gun issue is about hunting? |
benEzra |
Jan-06-09 06:57 PM |
#107 |
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probably because the average ordinary, reasonable, decent person |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 06:56 AM |
#136 |
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Care to provide your data suggesting that more than 1 in 5 U.S. gun owners hunts? |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 07:14 AM |
#137 |
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plainly you were addressing someone else |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:33 AM |
#140 |
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Plainly, you are obfuscating. |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 10:12 AM |
#144 |
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fascinating |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 10:29 AM |
#145 |
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And... |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 10:48 AM |
#147 |
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it's like swimming in mud |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 11:00 AM |
#149 |
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As it relates to DEM policy on the issue, I think you have the vector precisely backward... |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 02:36 PM |
#157 |
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When it wants to ensure a Republican majority for a generation? NT |
dmallind |
Jan-05-09 01:57 PM |
#2 |
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Exactly right. nt |
XOKCowboy |
Jan-06-09 12:26 PM |
#80 |
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WHY? gun bans really don't do anything but piss off gun owners |
napi21 |
Jan-05-09 01:58 PM |
#3 |
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Let me put it to you this way... |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 02:01 PM |
#5 |
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So? They don't vote Democratic anyway. |
pending |
Jan-05-09 04:18 PM |
#17 |
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We didn't think we needed the evangelicals, either... |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 04:24 PM |
#21 |
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I don't think we should dismiss any voters out of hand. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 06:01 PM |
#34 |
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SOMEBODY must destroy the idea that all Dems want to take away your guns! |
napi21 |
Jan-05-09 11:50 PM |
#62 |
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I honestly think NRA is happy Obama won. |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 11:55 PM |
#63 |
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Nobody is going to take away peoples guns |
pending |
Jan-06-09 09:46 AM |
#70 |
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Weapons of war are already highly restricted. |
wartrace |
Jan-06-09 10:55 AM |
#73 |
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Weapons of war have been restricted since 1934 |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:12 PM |
#93 |
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Why allow hunting rifles? |
Howzit |
Jan-06-09 11:09 PM |
#122 |
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Considerably more Americans lawfully own "assault weapons" than hunt. |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 07:18 AM |
#138 |
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Does it make any difference to you that many hunting rifles are significantly more powerful |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 02:05 PM |
#154 |
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Like the hunting shotgun the Unitarian Church shooter used. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 06:08 PM |
#166 |
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what about self defense pistols |
bossy22 |
Jan-08-09 01:28 AM |
#173 |
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When the Democrats regain their electoral death wish. n/t |
blindpig |
Jan-05-09 02:08 PM |
#6 |
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Certainly hope so. |
pending |
Jan-05-09 02:22 PM |
#7 |
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What is your justification for this, though? |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 02:26 PM |
#8 |
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And.... |
dmallind |
Jan-05-09 02:36 PM |
#12 |
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What exactly are you proposing banning, pray tell? nt |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 02:29 PM |
#9 |
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Well its not my proposal. |
pending |
Jan-05-09 04:16 PM |
#16 |
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Again, you said that the last ban was purely "cosmetic" |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 04:22 PM |
#20 |
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See response below |
pending |
Jan-05-09 05:51 PM |
#28 |
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And there's no reason for anyone to need a vibrating cockring. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 06:08 PM |
#36 |
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LOL |
pending |
Jan-05-09 06:21 PM |
#37 |
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The word "need" in this context affects me like fingernails on a chalkboard |
slackmaster |
Jan-05-09 06:26 PM |
#38 |
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The Second Amendment and DC V. HELLER take issue with that assertion |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 08:53 PM |
#53 |
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But Heller affirms the constitutionality of reasonable restrictions |
pending |
Jan-05-09 09:33 PM |
#54 |
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Heller says a BAN on a class of lawful weapons is NOT constitutional. |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 10:01 PM |
#55 |
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Then the question becomes what defines class? |
pending |
Jan-05-09 10:14 PM |
#57 |
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SCOTUS specifically said weapons that are in common use are protected. |
Codename46 |
Jan-06-09 07:53 PM |
#114 |
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Actually, there's lots of reasons for needing semi-auto rifles. |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 11:25 PM |
#59 |
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As a left-handed shooter in a world filled with right-handed rifles, I couldn't agree more |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 12:19 PM |
#77 |
| -
There is no need for cars with automatic transmissions |
Howzit |
Jan-06-09 11:16 PM |
#123 |
| -
What about someone who has only one leg? |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 11:19 PM |
#124 |
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You need to have your eyes checked again, old chap |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 01:40 AM |
#127 |
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Sorry my sarcasm was not obvious enough |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 03:45 AM |
#129 |
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Well, I'd like an answer. What are you supporting a ban on? |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 04:33 PM |
#24 |
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assault weaponry of course |
pending |
Jan-05-09 05:50 PM |
#27 |
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So, how would ownership of a semiautomatic rifle with a 20-round magazine |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 05:57 PM |
#32 |
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That would be about 90% of firearms in united states. |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 05:57 PM |
#33 |
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Rest assured, I'm not writing policy |
pending |
Jan-05-09 06:27 PM |
#39 |
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Yay! |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 06:35 PM |
#40 |
| -
Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people |
Codename46 |
Jan-06-09 07:55 PM |
#115 |
| -
You still haven't said what you think an assault weapon is. |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 07:01 PM |
#44 |
| -
Well, how about this |
pending |
Jan-05-09 07:08 PM |
#45 |
| -
Leaving aside for a second the ambiguous, subjective nature of that definition, |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 07:33 PM |
#46 |
| -
That definition applies to virtually every modern semi-automatic gun. |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 11:24 PM |
#58 |
| -
FYI, the California ban has been largely side-stepped |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 12:22 PM |
#78 |
| -
Which would ban more hunting guns than "assault weapons"... |
benEzra |
Jan-07-09 10:52 AM |
#148 |
| -
"reasonable price to pay for the lives saved " |
Howzit |
Jan-06-09 11:20 PM |
#125 |
| -
Why aren't you promoting amputation as a means to save lives? |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 01:45 AM |
#128 |
| -
hahaha, they aren't causing an exraordinary number of deaths |
tburnsten |
Jan-08-09 10:22 AM |
#178 |
| -
So, let's say I have a rifle worth about $5,000, that was legal when I purchased it. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 03:02 PM |
#185 |
| -
What in the world is a "buyback" |
ncguy |
Jan-06-09 09:58 PM |
#118 |
| -
'Buyback' programs encourage theft. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-07-09 12:19 PM |
#150 |
| -
Buyback programs also result in the destruction of a lot of antiques |
Statistical |
Jan-07-09 02:17 PM |
#155 |
| -
Jeez, maybe I should upgrade to an 01 FFL and quit my job |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 08:21 PM |
#168 |
| -
If we're lucky, the jackasses will shut up about guns entirely for the next 8 years |
Rabrrrrrr |
Jan-05-09 02:30 PM |
#10 |
| -
That would be SO refreshing |
derby378 |
Jan-05-09 02:32 PM |
#11 |
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Never, I hope! n/t |
frebrd |
Jan-05-09 02:56 PM |
#13 |
| -
I think the Democrats have learned not to touch that issue |
gravity |
Jan-05-09 02:58 PM |
#14 |
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"unless the guns in the ban are becoming a problem for crime, I don't see it happening" |
Howzit |
Jan-08-09 02:44 AM |
#175 |
| -
Democrats need to drop the gun control issue like a bad habit. |
Alexander |
Jan-05-09 02:59 PM |
#15 |
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I agree but the DLC refused to let it go. |
anonymous171 |
Jan-05-09 04:21 PM |
#19 |
| -
The DLC members are split on this issue. |
Alexander |
Jan-05-09 04:28 PM |
#23 |
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The DLC: Guns=bad. Corporations= Good |
anonymous171 |
Jan-05-09 04:19 PM |
#18 |
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When they get tired of being in the majority |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-05-09 04:24 PM |
#22 |
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They better not even try... |
virginia mountainman |
Jan-05-09 04:41 PM |
#25 |
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When Obama get tired of it being "too easy" with Dems in Congress |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 04:47 PM |
#26 |
| -
Gun control is SO 1999. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-05-09 05:53 PM |
#29 |
| -
I don't give a shit. A ban on semiautomatics wouldn't do anything except |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 05:54 PM |
#30 |
| -
Never... unless Congress has become a hotbed of assholes. |
pl259 |
Jan-05-09 05:54 PM |
#31 |
| -
Why ? |
MazeRat7 |
Jan-05-09 06:03 PM |
#35 |
| -
Won't happen- too many Americans prefer repeated mass shootings |
depakid |
Jan-05-09 06:38 PM |
#41 |
| -
How many of the last 10 mass shootings involved an "assault weapon"? n/t |
Statistical |
Jan-05-09 07:33 PM |
#47 |
| -
I'm in favor of all sorts of regulatory efforts. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 07:35 PM |
#48 |
| -
Actually, the rate of fire- and the number of bullets in semi-auto clip are important |
depakid |
Jan-05-09 07:55 PM |
#49 |
| -
I don't think anyone but you is talking about banning a ten-round handgun. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-05-09 08:17 PM |
#50 |
| -
Australia has- bought tons of 'em back after the last mass shooting in 1996 |
depakid |
Jan-05-09 08:40 PM |
#52 |
| -
I meant as regards this thread, either among previous thread participants or the Congress. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 02:01 PM |
#86 |
| -
Did the Autralian government own them to begin with? |
tburnsten |
Jan-09-09 08:01 AM |
#195 |
| -
But their overall level of violent crime has increased since the ban, has it not? |
derby378 |
Jan-09-09 08:57 AM |
#196 |
| -
So do you think it would have changed anything if both pistols had had 10 round clips? |
TheWraith |
Jan-05-09 11:30 PM |
#60 |
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He had a pistol |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-06-09 09:53 PM |
#117 |
| -
So is knowing what you're talking about |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 04:57 AM |
#132 |
| -
No evidence 10 round limit would have changed anything |
Statistical |
Jan-07-09 07:47 AM |
#139 |
| -
did that have something to do with what I said? |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:36 AM |
#141 |
| -
Yeah, it did |
tburnsten |
Jan-09-09 07:59 AM |
#194 |
| -
You can make up any definition you want |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-07-09 09:11 PM |
#171 |
| -
my dear chap |
iverglas |
Jan-08-09 01:37 AM |
#174 |
| -
He was a one-handed reloader? |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 03:12 PM |
#187 |
| -
I met a one-armed wallpaper hanger |
slackmaster |
Jan-08-09 04:18 PM |
#188 |
| -
How long it takes to reload matters most for sustained fire |
tburnsten |
Jan-09-09 07:49 AM |
#193 |
| -
You in OZ, Surprised you can still get here |
Pavulon |
Jan-06-09 06:59 PM |
#108 |
| -
first the homophobic bigotry, now the xenophobic ethnocentricity |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 04:50 AM |
#131 |
| -
Hopefully never, its useless and is a losing issue for us |
socordsx |
Jan-05-09 06:42 PM |
#42 |
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hopefully never. like the above posters said -- a semi-auto ban will do nothing. nt |
Double_Talk_Express |
Jan-05-09 06:56 PM |
#43 |
| -
If there are no semis and no autos |
SoCalDem |
Jan-05-09 08:20 PM |
#51 |
| -
Nope. Nor should they |
TheKentuckian |
Jan-05-09 10:05 PM |
#56 |
| -
Why can't gun people own bolt action rifles, or is that too restrictive of their "rights"? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:17 AM |
#66 |
| -
When our police and military start using only bolt-action rifles, I'll think about it |
derby378 |
Jan-06-09 08:55 AM |
#69 |
| -
Sure, buy as many guns as you can afford in case of Armageddon, I get it. |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 11:46 AM |
#74 |
| -
Let's apply your reasoning to some other portions of the Constitution... |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 12:18 PM |
#76 |
| -
Books don't kill people, we're done |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:48 PM |
#81 |
| -
You aren't terribly familiar with history if you think that. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:27 PM |
#95 |
| -
so, if I think reeeaaally hard ... |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 04:59 AM |
#133 |
| -
It would prove there is a first time for everything. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 01:29 PM |
#151 |
| -
My point was clear; I wasn't using language to deceive |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:17 PM |
#167 |
| -
If you disagree with my point, just state your disagreement. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 08:07 AM |
#177 |
| -
how does one "disagree with" bullshit?? |
iverglas |
Jan-08-09 10:45 AM |
#180 |
| -
You are either unable or unwilling to make your point. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 11:02 AM |
#182 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-07-09 03:45 PM |
#161 |
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Are you "so sick" of any other portions of the Constitution? |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 12:14 PM |
#75 |
| -
"Click" |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:50 PM |
#82 |
| -
Um...okay? |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:29 PM |
#96 |
| -
It isn't a rational or logical thought, it is emotional |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 02:39 PM |
#99 |
| -
I don't mind the "guns=bad" at all-it's a person's perfect right to like or dislike what they choose |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:42 PM |
#100 |
| -
I think you probably meant to address this to someone else |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 10:34 AM |
#146 |
| -
Perhaps if you want to make a snarky point about Jody, you should address the post to him/her. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 01:30 PM |
#152 |
| -
Bolt action rifles for left-handed shooters are scarce and expensive |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 12:23 PM |
#79 |
| -
Right, so we should allow these weapons so you aren't discriminated against as a lefty? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 01:51 PM |
#83 |
| -
Sure, why not? |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:00 PM |
#85 |
| -
Read my first post, I don't need to give you any good reason for my disapproval |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 02:03 PM |
#87 |
| -
I addressed your post in reply #79 |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:04 PM |
#89 |
| -
Until we get a majority in the Supreme Court, your phallic play toys are safe |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 02:07 PM |
#91 |
| -
I view them primarily as financial investments |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 02:09 PM |
#92 |
| -
Right, investments, that's another good one. |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 06:34 PM |
#103 |
| -
Your injury must have really blown out your logic center |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 06:40 PM |
#104 |
| -
Instead of baiting me, make your point the first time |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 06:46 PM |
#105 |
| -
You COULD have just looked at my profile |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 06:52 PM |
#106 |
| -
the natives have turned right nasty |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:59 AM |
#142 |
| -
What injury did you have? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 03:50 PM |
#164 |
| -
I think he's gone - I was actually making fun of his handle, not assuming he had a real brain injury |
slackmaster |
Jan-07-09 04:17 PM |
#165 |
| -
DrainB was looking for a reason to write you off and put you on ignore |
Howzit |
Jan-07-09 08:41 PM |
#170 |
| -
Some curious, antiques and relics meet your bar for 'bannable guns'. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 03:05 PM |
#186 |
| -
I think DB doesn't understand that some C&Rs are semiautomatic |
slackmaster |
Jan-08-09 04:19 PM |
#189 |
| -
I have a $10k 50 cal |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-06-09 09:59 PM |
#119 |
| -
Fuggin-A dude, I only have about $4K in mine |
slackmaster |
Jan-06-09 11:03 PM |
#121 |
| -
Maybe he went to get a tissue |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-08-09 05:31 PM |
#191 |
| -
Why are you gun grabbers so infatuated with male genitalia? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 03:48 PM |
#163 |
| -
So gun grabbers like cock?? |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-08-09 05:26 PM |
#190 |
| -
YAY reversing supreme court decisions |
bossy22 |
Jan-08-09 01:15 AM |
#172 |
| -
I agree with you. When there's no social value residing in the ban of a substance or object, |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 02:04 PM |
#88 |
| -
My answer is: because I haven't seen a convincing case suggesting that |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 01:57 PM |
#84 |
| -
I don't have to prove shit, gunnies have a sympathetic Supreme Court |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 02:05 PM |
#90 |
| -
The only gun I own shoots BBs, so leave the "you guys" aside. |
Occam Bandage |
Jan-06-09 02:12 PM |
#94 |
| -
Freedom: a concept sadly not well understood on this "progressive" site (n/t) |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 02:31 PM |
#97 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-06-09 04:22 PM |
#101 |
| -
snork; I read 116 first |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 05:02 AM |
#135 |
| -
The Government bans marijuana, and no one has ever been (proven) killed by smoking it |
DainBramaged |
Jan-06-09 07:15 PM |
#110 |
| -
The cannabis ban is idiotic... |
benEzra |
Jan-06-09 07:22 PM |
#112 |
| -
I think the ban of weed is misguided HOWEVER there is no constitutional right to get high (n/t) |
Statistical |
Jan-06-09 09:22 PM |
#116 |
| -
you poor benighted savages |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 05:00 AM |
#134 |
| -
Iverglas as the defender of "liberty." Up is down, black is white, cats and dogs are living together |
Raskolnik |
Jan-07-09 01:34 PM |
#153 |
| -
and you have always been at war Eastasia |
iverglas |
Jan-07-09 08:23 PM |
#169 |
| -
Are you being paid by the non sequitur? |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 07:58 AM |
#176 |
| -
good lord |
iverglas |
Jan-08-09 10:41 AM |
#179 |
| -
You aren't saying anything at all. n/t |
Raskolnik |
Jan-08-09 10:52 AM |
#181 |
| -
It doesnt matter |
rangersmith82 |
Jan-06-09 10:13 PM |
#120 |
| -
Authoritarians like you scare me. |
Raskolnik |
Jan-06-09 02:34 PM |
#98 |
| -
Why can't reporters use Underwood typewriters and quill pens? |
benEzra |
Jan-06-09 07:18 PM |
#111 |
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Not the dreaded threat of being ignored. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-07-09 03:44 PM |
#160 |
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'gunnies' in 'trailers'? |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-08-09 02:56 PM |
#184 |
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2 years at the earliest perhaps. |
D__S |
Jan-06-09 04:25 PM |
#102 |
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I'm scared! Protect me government! |
chrisa |
Jan-06-09 07:31 PM |
#113 |
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Hopefully never |
X_Digger |
Jan-06-09 11:23 PM |
#126 |
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OTHER! |
FORREST GRUMP |
Jan-07-09 02:26 PM |
#156 |
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For the near time, an AWB won't make it out of committee. Here's why: |
SteveM |
Jan-07-09 03:17 PM |
#159 |
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You mean like this? |
rrneck |
Jan-08-09 11:21 AM |
#183 |
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In additional we have 3 new factors |
Statistical |
Jan-08-09 06:09 PM |
#192 |
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Never. I like to think the majority of Democrats are not stupid |
old mark |
Jan-11-09 07:32 AM |
#197 |
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GUNS AND Y-O-U-R AMMO!! |
gobhock |
Jan-28-09 06:10 PM |
#199 |
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