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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 10:11 PM
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23. Not sure how much time you've spent on college campuses
Edited on Sat Dec-13-08 10:19 PM by depakid
but they're among the least desirable places (given the psychological pressures and clinical development pattern of mental illnesses) that you'd want people to walk around armed.

But, rather than focus on the negative- here's a look at whatmore responsible gun debates look like:

Rees to review gun laws

(note- semi-automatic pistols and rifles with high capacity clips or magazines are restricted outright- as are pump action shotguns, like the familiar pistol grip Mossberg). That's not at issue.

NSW Premier Nathan Rees says he is prepared to review gun ownership laws to stop weapons from falling into the wrong hands.

Figures from the NSW Firearm Registry obtained by the National Coalition for Gun Control show gun ownership has risen by the rate of 10,000 a year since 2004 - to 687,138 in October this year.

The coalition says the rise coincides with a deal cut by the NSW Government and the Shooters Party in the last week of Parliament to water down tough gun laws introduced in the wake of Tasmania's Port Arthur massacre.

But Mr Rees said the two issues were separate and there was a difference between criminals using guns to commit violent crime and responsible gun owners.

He said he was prepared to review the factors, such as inadequate security, which led to weapons finding their way to criminals.

The Government was also willing to work with the Commonwealth on national issues of gun control, including importations, he said. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible adults. The issue here is guns that find their way into the hands of criminals," Mr Rees told reporters. "We need to do everything we can to avoid that occurring and if that means toughening penalties and refining the law then we'll do it."

Mr Rees said the changes to the laws came about because people were being unfairly treated in some cases.

"There's been an injection of fairness in what were anomalies in the process and that's fair and reasonable," he said.

"The changes that were just made I see as fundamentally separate to changes we may make to reduce the number of criminals getting guns." Mr Rees said he would meet the coalition this week.

An amendment passed in the last week of (state) Parliament would now allow a person with an apprehended violence order to apply to the court to have it revoked, and have their firearms license reinstated. Previously, a person's firearm license was revoked when the order was taken out against them, banning them from keeping guns.

Under the changes, shooting clubs would also no longer have their licenses automatically revoked for not disqualifying members who have been convicted of firearms offenses.

The mandatory 28-day waiting period before a second or third gun could be acquired had also been scrapped.

Police Minister defends gun laws amendments

Amendments to NSW laws proposed by the Shooters Party that remove a waiting period to buy guns are sensible, NSW Police Minister Tony Kelly said.

The change, which removes a 28-day waiting period for people wanting to buy a second gun, makes the system more efficient. "The whole purpose of the 28-day waiting period when you get your first gun is so the police could check you out," Mr Kelly told reporters in Sydney today.

"They've already done that because you've already got a license when you've got a gun." He said the authorities would perform random checks covering registered gun owners during the period of their five-year license.



Another fact based opinion:

'No justification' for changing gun laws

Figures from the NSW Firearm Registry obtained by the National Coalition for Gun Control show gun ownership has risen by the rate of 10,000 a year since 2004 - to 687,138 in October this year.

The coalition says the rise coincides with a deal cut by the NSW government and the Shooters Party to water down tough gun laws introduced in the wake of Tasmania's Port Arthur massacre.

"There is no justification in the NSW Upper House when the Shooters Party put up the amendments," Greens MLC Lee Rhiannon told reporters in Sydney on Sunday, referring to amendments seeking to allow people subject to domestic violence orders to purchase guns.

"The attorney-general initially did not come in on the debate. I challenged him twice on the floor of the house that he had to give an explanation. "Right now, we have a very dangerous situation in NSW."

National Coalition for Gun Control co-ordinator Sam Lee said there was a high risk of more weapons being sold on the black market and a repeat of the Port Arthur massacre.

"It is a simple equation. The more firearms in the community the more likely another massacre will occur," Ms Lee said. "Firearms in the hands of legal shooters are likely to be stolen and fall into the black market."


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  -Texas Gun Owners Association ValhallaChaser  Dec-13-08 11:40 AM   #0 
  - Whats your stance on extending CCW to college campuses? AWBs? etc  Codename46   Dec-13-08 11:43 AM   #1 
  - Our Beliefs.....  ValhallaChaser   Dec-13-08 12:04 PM   #8 
     - sounds good to me  raimius   Dec-13-08 12:47 PM   #10 
     - goodness gracious!  iverglas   Dec-14-08 02:33 PM   #45 
  - What would "reasonable" gun laws look like?  depakid   Dec-13-08 11:45 AM   #2 
  - You say "proliferation" as if it's a bad thing.  Codename46   Dec-13-08 11:48 AM   #3 
     - That's because the evidence shows unequivocally that it is.  depakid   Dec-13-08 11:50 AM   #4 
        - From a guy who fails to provide such "evidence" in past Gungeon threads  Codename46   Dec-13-08 11:54 AM   #5 
        - The evidence is so overwhelming- and the common sense so obvious  depakid   Dec-13-08 12:02 PM   #7 
        - Please show your work.  Hangingon   Dec-13-08 12:16 PM   #9 
        - there's that smell again  Tejas   Dec-13-08 01:18 PM   #12 
        - Sometimes, you Texans are just laughable  depakid   Dec-13-08 06:58 PM   #15 
           - I feel pretty safe, free and economically secure, I'd say a lot of people who legally own guns do.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 08:57 PM   #17 
           - Owning certain sorts of guns is one thing-  depakid   Dec-13-08 09:27 PM   #20 
              - Most concealed carry laws exclude people under the ages of 21.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 09:38 PM   #21 
              - Not sure how much time you've spent on college campuses  depakid   Dec-13-08 10:11 PM   #23 
                 - Lots.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 10:31 PM   #24 
                 - For every potential crazy cross fire situation at Virginia Tech  depakid   Dec-13-08 10:57 PM   #25 
                    - What about the results of concealed carry permit holders?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 11:06 PM   #26 
                    - For every one of those situations, there are many , many times more  depakid   Dec-13-08 11:31 PM   #27 
                       - So about those statistics where CCW permit holders shoot bystanders?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 11:36 PM   #29 
                       - It wasn't the topic- but I recall citing where (and sort of how) you might find  depakid   Dec-14-08 12:09 AM   #35 
                       - So your assertion was based on what?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 12:11 AM   #36 
                       - It's pretty rare...  ValhallaChaser   Dec-14-08 11:39 AM   #39 
                       - Precisely.  gorfle   Dec-14-08 02:21 PM   #43 
                       - It seems to me that the fear is with people who make shit up  pipoman   Dec-15-08 06:43 AM   #94 
                    - Crazy cross fire situations.  gorfle   Dec-14-08 02:18 PM   #42 
                       - "you"?  iverglas   Dec-14-08 04:08 PM   #56 
                          - Up till now voting has seemed to work and I hope it always will.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 06:26 PM   #63 
                          - Who is this "you"  gorfle   Dec-14-08 08:39 PM   #76 
                             - ah  iverglas   Dec-14-08 08:52 PM   #77 
                                - Take it up with our founders.  gorfle   Dec-15-08 08:44 AM   #95 
                 - Responsible gun debate...  gorfle   Dec-14-08 02:14 PM   #41 
                 - uh, quoting an Australian gun-hater fuels your argument how?  Tejas   Dec-14-08 02:48 PM   #48 
                    - so which bits of what the "gun-hater" said  iverglas   Dec-14-08 04:10 PM   #57 
                       - depakid can answer for himself - n/t  Tejas   Dec-15-08 06:40 PM   #97 
              - College concealed carry  gorfle   Dec-14-08 01:41 PM   #40 
              - How so?  raimius   Dec-15-08 11:24 AM   #96 
              - Thank you for standing up for the victims.  Xenotime   Dec-18-08 02:53 PM   #98 
           - If you'd care to brag about your state, feel free. - n/t  Tejas   Dec-14-08 02:45 PM   #47 
        - I for one am interested in your overwhelming evidence...  spin   Dec-13-08 02:57 PM   #13 
        - Yes; that is why all those guns brought into DC from Virginia cause all that homicide  Howzit   Dec-13-08 04:49 PM   #14 
           - Good response I'm guessing he'll fail to answer.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 08:58 PM   #18 
           - Richmond murder rate has routinely been higher than DC.  russ1943   Dec-13-08 09:05 PM   #19 
           - That's odd, Richmonds homicide rate on pace to reach 37-year low  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 09:41 PM   #22 
           - FBI's UCR, not a news article.  russ1943   Dec-13-08 11:36 PM   #28 
              - I don't see table#8 anywhere on your linked page.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 11:41 PM   #30 
              - It takes time and effort.  russ1943   Dec-13-08 11:56 PM   #31 
                 - I use them often, as you'll be able to tell by my other response.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 12:00 AM   #33 
              - Found it, 281 murders statewide in VA and 181 in the District in 2007, thanks.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-13-08 11:59 PM   #32 
              - More people murdered in DC than in 23 states.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 12:07 AM   #34 
                 - Using "them" is different from understanding "them".  russ1943   Dec-14-08 01:49 AM   #37 
                    - The 281 was a total from your table 8.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 10:31 AM   #38 
                       - Table 8 doesn't give State Totals  russ1943   Dec-14-08 02:58 PM   #49 
                          - Okay.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 03:10 PM   #51 
                          - I understand your point about rates, but DC still has murders than 23 states.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 06:37 PM   #65 
           - crimes closely related to firearms  iverglas   Dec-14-08 04:01 PM   #55 
           - Could it be because ...  iverglas   Dec-14-08 03:05 PM   #50 
        - I look forward to more such gems  iverglas   Dec-14-08 02:29 PM   #44 
           - You can add in anything you want.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 03:13 PM   #52 
              - you're a gas, Davey  iverglas   Dec-14-08 03:35 PM   #53 
                 - Let's try and explain this.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 03:43 PM   #54 
                    - I get it all  iverglas   Dec-14-08 04:17 PM   #58 
                       - That's interesting, so you disagree with the Title of the article you linked to?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 06:25 PM   #62 
                          - duh  iverglas   Dec-14-08 06:38 PM   #66 
                             - So you want me to provide you evidence for what you posted?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 06:53 PM   #68 
                             - give it a rest  iverglas   Dec-14-08 07:19 PM   #70 
                                - So you don't think people die from Doctors mistakes?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 07:25 PM   #73 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-14-08 08:53 PM   #78 
                                      - To answer your question, no. How is your family doing btw?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 08:59 PM   #80 
                                         - in 12 hours  iverglas   Dec-14-08 09:15 PM   #83 
                                            - I hope all goes well.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 09:25 PM   #86 
                                               - my sister is a pig  iverglas   Dec-14-08 10:18 PM   #88 
                                               - Sorry.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 10:27 PM   #90 
                                               - what ...  iverglas   Dec-14-08 10:35 PM   #92 
                                               - They gave me a great pancreas, it's the liver that's not so good.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 11:00 PM   #93 
                             - Here's something.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 07:30 PM   #74 
                             - it sure is  iverglas   Dec-14-08 08:57 PM   #79 
                                - I guess it would depend on the type of error.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 09:09 PM   #82 
                             - Here's some more.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 07:52 PM   #75 
                                - uh huh  iverglas   Dec-14-08 09:03 PM   #81 
                                   - In the US it is the physician who is ultimately responsible for patient care.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 09:18 PM   #84 
                                      - nah  iverglas   Dec-14-08 09:19 PM   #85 
                                         - Baths aren't medical procedures.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 09:31 PM   #87 
                                            - precisely  iverglas   Dec-14-08 10:20 PM   #89 
                                               - Some of them clearly are nursing errors, housekeeping errors, etc in which Dr's aren't responsible.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 10:32 PM   #91 
        - A would also like to see the evidence  raimius   Dec-13-08 12:51 PM   #11 
        - really?  iverglas   Dec-14-08 02:39 PM   #46 
           - SO if handgun are the problem, why the push to ban scary looking rifles?  Howzit   Dec-14-08 06:12 PM   #59 
           - and you're asking me ...  iverglas   Dec-14-08 06:12 PM   #60 
              - Because you know everything  Howzit   Dec-14-08 06:15 PM   #61 
           - So every place with high handgun ownership rates has high crime rates?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 06:31 PM   #64 
              - it seems to be your assertion, Dave  iverglas   Dec-14-08 06:39 PM   #67 
                 - No it was yours.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 06:57 PM   #69 
                    - really?  iverglas   Dec-14-08 07:20 PM   #71 
                       - Yep.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Dec-14-08 07:24 PM   #72 
        - What evidence? nt  chrisa   Dec-13-08 07:15 PM   #16 
  - Welcome to DU  Liberal_Lurker   Dec-13-08 11:59 AM   #6 
  - I'm already a member of the TSRA, I'll check your board out...  Jack_DeLeon   Dec-18-08 05:10 PM   #99 

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