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Why do we need another Assault Weapon Ban???
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Edited on Thu Nov-27-08 08:25 PM by rangersmith82
All our President Elect has to do is remove this from his web page....

Current statement....

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

And replace it with this statement..

Replacement statement:

I as the President understand that every free man has the right to own a firearm.
I will never strip the right to own and operate firearms from our great Citizens.
Firearm ownership is the milestone on which this Nation was founded, me nor anyone in my administration will
ever infringe on that right.

If he would do this, we would never hear a peep for the right wing, republican gun owners.

Hell we might get alot of them to cross over, thus making the NRA and their sorts irrelevant

Why can't we as a party support gun owners?????
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  -Why do we need another Assault Weapon Ban??? rangersmith82  Nov-27-08 08:22 PM   #0 
  - Hmmm, I see this is the most important thing on Thanksgiving night  DainBramaged   Nov-27-08 08:25 PM   #1 
  - I guess we could talk about the leftover...  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 08:28 PM   #2 
  - Why did you respond if you didn't want to discuss it?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:38 PM   #9 
  - So important you were first in line to respond (nt)  SteveM   Nov-30-08 12:15 PM   #192 
  - Gotta full belly and ready to go out and kill, eh?  hlthe2b   Nov-27-08 08:29 PM   #3 
  - Well the Turkey's death was for a good cause  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 08:33 PM   #5 
  - I imagine so...  hlthe2b   Nov-27-08 08:36 PM   #6 
     - Why would an assault rifle damage a turkey more than any other rifle?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:40 PM   #12 
     - Actualy the 5.56mm would leave a small hole in the turkey  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 08:44 PM   #20 
     - I stand corrected...  hlthe2b   Nov-27-08 09:26 PM   #70 
     - Actually, you bring up an important point about proper calibers...  SteveM   Nov-30-08 12:22 PM   #193 
  - You could have let it go but chose to respond.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:38 PM   #7 
     - Why do you even care? Are you the reply police????  DainBramaged   Nov-27-08 08:39 PM   #11 
        - Just curious what you are whining about?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:43 PM   #18 
           - "Click"  DainBramaged   Nov-27-08 08:50 PM   #25 
              - The sweet smell of victory.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:50 PM   #27 
                 - LOL  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 09:01 PM   #37 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-08 09:18 PM   #57 
                       - The gun grabbers infatuation with the penis continues.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:38 PM   #87 
                          - lol  rangersmith82   Nov-28-08 09:08 AM   #151 
  - Ok. So you disagree with the complete statement, or the last sentence?  geckosfeet   Nov-27-08 08:32 PM   #4 
  - I have to disagree..  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 08:38 PM   #8 
  - I agree in principle. But you don't move forward by standing still.  geckosfeet   Nov-28-08 07:41 AM   #145 
  - Then again you don't fix something that isn't broke either  rangersmith82   Nov-28-08 09:10 AM   #152 
     - Maybe we different ideas of when to call something broke.  geckosfeet   Nov-28-08 09:57 AM   #159 
  - what does this mean?  iverglas   Nov-28-08 11:09 AM   #163 
  - oh, and then there's that free health care thing  iverglas   Nov-28-08 11:18 AM   #165 
  - There is no restriction on law enforcement  pipoman   Nov-27-08 11:26 PM   #135 
     - The highlighted paragraph clearly regulates who can access data.  geckosfeet   Nov-28-08 07:50 AM   #146 
        - Who beside  pipoman   Nov-28-08 08:26 AM   #148 
           - You are focusing on one issue that the current language addresses.  geckosfeet   Nov-28-08 08:49 AM   #149 
              - here's a case in point for you  iverglas   Nov-28-08 09:17 AM   #155 
              - Point taken iverglas. A microcosm of what I imagine. Interactive map  geckosfeet   Nov-28-08 09:56 AM   #158 
              - a firearms registry would do the trick  iverglas   Nov-28-08 10:01 AM   #161 
              - A tragic story.  pipoman   Nov-28-08 12:26 PM   #169 
                 - Eh? What?  iverglas   Nov-28-08 03:43 PM   #173 
                    - This subthread that you have injected yourself into  pipoman   Nov-28-08 05:24 PM   #181 
              - This data can and is used in this manner  pipoman   Nov-28-08 11:11 AM   #164 
                 - Abuse it in what way? By keeping tabs on firearms? Explain please.  geckosfeet   Nov-28-08 03:21 PM   #171 
                 - By attempting to set up  pipoman   Nov-28-08 05:15 PM   #180 
                    - Oh. I see. So who would you put in charge of a gun registry? A third  geckosfeet   Nov-28-08 09:32 PM   #186 
                       - I don't favor nor believe a gun registry is needed  pipoman   Nov-28-08 11:16 PM   #187 
                          - BATFE is the logical choice. But I am not aware of a national interactive real time  geckosfeet   Nov-29-08 11:10 AM   #190 
                             - For what purpose?  pipoman   Nov-30-08 12:24 AM   #191 
                 - Check and mate pipoman.  WWFZD   Nov-28-08 04:01 PM   #176 
                    - The only people who are squeeling  pipoman   Nov-28-08 05:34 PM   #182 
  - why do we need another thread demanding to know why you need another assault weapons ban????  iverglas   Nov-27-08 08:39 PM   #10 
  - They never give up, and THEY think WE can influence Barack and the Presidenties  DainBramaged   Nov-27-08 08:41 PM   #14 
  - Ah, interesting theory  iverglas   Nov-27-08 08:43 PM   #17 
     - Or like the guys trying to bring Barack's birth certificate before the Supremos  DainBramaged   Nov-27-08 08:51 PM   #28 
     - But of course that is our only interest.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:53 PM   #31 
  - Why did you choose to respond if there are enough threads on this subject?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:42 PM   #16 
  - I think it's more to suit the "policy agendas"  JonQ   Nov-27-08 11:31 PM   #136 
  - To keep people from purchasing or owning assault weapons  revolve   Nov-27-08 08:41 PM   #13 
  - The last AWB didn't do that all they want to do is renew the old ban.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:44 PM   #19 
  - So doing nothing because it didnt work is your theory  revolve   Nov-27-08 08:47 PM   #22 
     - It will increase the value of my assault rifle, that would be nice. It will have no effect on crime  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:49 PM   #24 
        - So let me get this straight  revolve   Nov-27-08 08:52 PM   #29 
           - You seem to be mistaken.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:58 PM   #33 
              - I am not mistaken  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:03 PM   #39 
                 - A better question might be what would the benefit of restricting freedoms in this manner?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:05 PM   #41 
                 - I dont want to ban firearms used for hunting  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:11 PM   #47 
                    - Handguns for self defense.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:13 PM   #50 
                    - When looking at countrys that have stricter gun control laws  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:19 PM   #61 
                       - Once you can assure me that no criminal in the country has a firearm...  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:26 PM   #69 
                          - You can sight the constitution  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:36 PM   #85 
                             - Our new President disagrees with you, as does our Supreme Court.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:39 PM   #88 
                             - Really?  JonQ   Nov-28-08 12:07 AM   #140 
                    - Obviously you don't know that handguns are used for hunting...  spin   Nov-28-08 10:56 AM   #162 
                    - and I could use DDT to kill my mosquitos  iverglas   Nov-28-08 12:17 PM   #168 
                       - you oppose hunting with a bow and arrow...  spin   Nov-28-08 03:40 PM   #172 
                          - what the fuck is all this buzzing?  iverglas   Nov-28-08 03:48 PM   #174 
                             - I was replying to the comment...  spin   Nov-28-08 04:40 PM   #178 
                                - forgive me, but no, you were not.  iverglas   Nov-28-08 05:06 PM   #179 
                                   - Interesting reply...  spin   Nov-28-08 06:31 PM   #185 
                    - 80% of gun-owners do not hunt. (nt)  SteveM   Nov-30-08 12:43 PM   #195 
                 - "Assault weapons" are the most popular centerfire rifles in the United States.  benEzra   Nov-27-08 10:35 PM   #132 
                 - Ah, yes the "need" argument, again...  SteveM   Nov-30-08 12:42 PM   #194 
  - Can you give the legal  JonQ   Nov-28-08 12:10 PM   #167 
  - oh, by the way: thanks for flying those true colours  iverglas   Nov-27-08 08:41 PM   #15 
  - Surely you are aware that felons are barred from gun ownership, given your legal "credentials".  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:45 PM   #21 
  - Surely you know that all parolees are not felons given your "Sarcastic credentials"  revolve   Nov-27-08 08:49 PM   #23 
  - That's why I specified.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:50 PM   #26 
  - But in "specifying" you changed the words of what the OP said  revolve   Nov-27-08 08:54 PM   #32 
     - The OP never mentioned parolees or felons.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 08:58 PM   #35 
        - Sorry the OP of this sub thread  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:04 PM   #40 
           - If they aren't barred from owning firearms then by all means they should have that right.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:08 PM   #43 
  - I should clarify  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:25 PM   #67 
     - One of the many rights they give away by being a criminal.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:30 PM   #74 
     - You got a list? Is it in your Constitution?  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:32 PM   #78 
     - prohibited persons  raimius   Dec-03-08 12:01 AM   #209 
  - oh, Davey Davey Davey  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:19 PM   #62 
     - Felons give up many of their rights.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:31 PM   #75 
        - C'mon, Davey. Define INALIENABLE.  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:33 PM   #79 
           - I have the inalienable right to have a crush on you.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:39 PM   #89 
           - yes  raimius   Dec-03-08 12:05 AM   #210 
  - Exactly....  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 09:00 PM   #36 
     - yasss, civil death  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:27 PM   #71 
  - I believe in freedom from restriction, in most forms...  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 08:52 PM   #30 
  - I have never heard a good reason for them  revolve   Nov-27-08 08:58 PM   #34 
  - I had to ask because all the gang bangers where I live love them.  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:03 PM   #38 
     - Hey I understand  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:08 PM   #42 
     - Was he shot with an assault rifle?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:11 PM   #46 
     - No, handgun, which I think civilians should be barred from keeping at their homes  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:12 PM   #49 
        - That would definitely lose us the house and the senate in 2010.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:14 PM   #52 
        - Was the officer shot by a honest citizen...  spin   Nov-28-08 11:22 AM   #166 
     - We have had lots of that around here  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:16 PM   #55 
        - Armor piercing bullets have been illegal for years and still are.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:18 PM   #60 
        - As are assault weapons, fully automatic  doc03   Nov-27-08 10:15 PM   #128 
        - Like these from ww2  Pavulon   Nov-27-08 09:47 PM   #103 
        - Actually, the average deer rifle is able to pierce body armor. Easily...  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:04 PM   #197 
     - Most "gang bangers" have long criminals records and are barred from owning firearms.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:10 PM   #45 
     - Yet get them from stealing them from "legitimate" owners  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:13 PM   #51 
     - That's odd because gang related shootings are usually committed with handguns.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:15 PM   #54 
     - Not around here, guess they didn't get the memo  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:20 PM   #64 
     - FBI statistics say otherwise.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:29 PM   #73 
        - Direct observations could never refute that!  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:35 PM   #82 
           - You are right, your own experience can't refute unbiased evidence.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:41 PM   #91 
           - Much of my life has been an illusion  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 10:07 PM   #124 
              - Sorry you feel that way.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 10:12 PM   #127 
              - I'm not being a smartass here, but some cites would be helpful  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-27-08 11:46 PM   #139 
              - ya think?  iverglas   Nov-28-08 12:15 AM   #142 
                 - I'm not attempting to refute Dragonfli  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-28-08 05:45 PM   #183 
                 - Actually Dragonfli said most gang shootings in his area were committed with assault rifles.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-28-08 06:29 PM   #184 
              - Folks here are trying to prevent new perspectives. Stay around (nt)  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:12 PM   #199 
           - I'm not quite following your train of thought  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:41 PM   #94 
           - The crush gets worse every time.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:48 PM   #105 
           - Two years running: fewer than 3% of homicides are by rifles of all types.  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:11 PM   #198 
     - How is it odd?  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:22 PM   #65 
        - I was talking about assault rifles.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:41 PM   #93 
           - No, you said "Firearms"  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:45 PM   #100 
              - You do realize this thread is about assualt rifles correct?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:46 PM   #102 
                 - No I cant read, you caught me.  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:54 PM   #110 
                    - No need to take this personally.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:59 PM   #115 
                       - Happy thanksgivng to you as well  revolve   Nov-27-08 10:05 PM   #121 
                          - My apologies the post # caused the assumption.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 10:06 PM   #123 
     - Can't put crap over on you!  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:31 PM   #76 
        - Shouldn't that be, All guns are born legal?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-29-08 01:00 AM   #188 
     - They send people to gun shows to get them  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:18 PM   #59 
        - Again already illegal.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:20 PM   #63 
           - Have you ever seen gang violence?  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:25 PM   #66 
           - Nothing quite like condescension when losing an argument.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:37 PM   #86 
           - Acctulay according to you an "assault weapon" is being used  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:42 PM   #95 
           - Or you could just resort to that.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:45 PM   #101 
           - I don't see how I lost an argument just because where you live is different  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:51 PM   #108 
              - Rifles (including assault rifles) are used in less than 3% of crimes.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:55 PM   #111 
              - Most gun enthusiasts don't think of "hot chicks" vis-a-vis firearms...  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:20 PM   #200 
           - Such  pipoman   Nov-28-08 02:03 AM   #144 
           - I must ask you Dave, Have you ever witnessed gun violence  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:34 PM   #81 
              - I have seen far more violence of all nature than you and your friend put together.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:44 PM   #99 
                 - First of all no you haven't  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:49 PM   #106 
                    - Really 7 years as a Combat Medic in the Army and 10 as a Fire Medic.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:53 PM   #109 
                    - Well obviously its hard to understand  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:59 PM   #116 
                       - What's hard to understand?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 10:04 PM   #120 
                       - Doubt it...  jeepnstein   Nov-28-08 09:58 AM   #160 
                    - ask him about Florida  iverglas   Nov-27-08 10:03 PM   #119 
     - Yet, most gun violence is still committed with a .38/.357 magnum revolver...  SteveM   Nov-30-08 12:53 PM   #196 
  - Handguns are used in over 85% of all gun homicides.  wartrace   Nov-27-08 09:14 PM   #53 
  - Why do yu gun guys use the meme that gun owners are always the rational people  DainBramaged   Nov-27-08 09:34 PM   #80 
  - Everyone with a penis is responsible for rape.  wartrace   Nov-27-08 09:50 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-08 09:58 PM   #114 
  - So you are saying  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 10:08 PM   #125 
  - "Republican backed Brady Campaign"  iverglas   Nov-28-08 12:17 AM   #143 
     - She is still a republican  rangersmith82   Nov-28-08 09:15 AM   #154 
        - you got some cites for that?  iverglas   Nov-28-08 09:23 AM   #156 
        - So is Helmke. The GOP has a "win-win" with the Brady Bunch (nt)  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:29 PM   #202 
  - At a loss for words?  wartrace   Nov-27-08 10:11 PM   #126 
  - failing to see ...  iverglas   Nov-28-08 01:43 PM   #170 
  - Ah, the old penis argument, again...  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:27 PM   #201 
  - Why wre you anti-gun folks so wrapped up in insulting and attacking the  old mark   Dec-01-08 04:22 AM   #207 
  - Now, which firearms are used in most bank robberies?  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:36 PM   #83 
     - people generally rob banks with handguns  Pavulon   Nov-27-08 09:41 PM   #92 
     - I keep waiting for somebody to explain things to me  iverglas   Nov-27-08 09:48 PM   #104 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-08 09:58 PM   #112 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-08 10:05 PM   #122 
        - phew  iverglas   Nov-28-08 12:07 AM   #141 
  - Some reasons...  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 09:18 PM   #58 
  - Well Chicks love em, so I guess they must be cool  Dragonfli   Nov-27-08 09:31 PM   #77 
     - They make excellent hunting weapons  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 09:42 PM   #97 
        - Because they are hacks and have no skill  revolve   Nov-27-08 10:03 PM   #117 
           - What makes you say that? I see no evidence from the pictures  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-27-08 10:34 PM   #131 
           - Those look like pretty clean kills, no evidence of hackiness, plenty of evidence of skill.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 11:11 PM   #133 
           - Those look like pretty clean kills, no evidence of hackiness, plenty of evidence of skill.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 11:11 PM   #134 
  - Target shooting is the most common use for "assault weapons."  Nabeshin   Nov-29-08 05:28 AM   #189 
  - I worked hard to get Barack Obama elected.  gordianot   Nov-27-08 09:08 PM   #44 
  - It would help then if renewing the AWB was removed from the party platform.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-27-08 09:12 PM   #48 
  - No argument from me. Why walk into the Republican trap?  gordianot   Nov-27-08 09:16 PM   #56 
  - Yep if an AR-15 was good enough for President Kennedy  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 09:25 PM   #68 
     - Um no, I am a civilian, he was not  revolve   Nov-27-08 09:28 PM   #72 
     - We don't need H2's  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 09:36 PM   #84 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-27-08 09:40 PM   #90 
     - JFK (a civilian) was a strong supporter of the Second Amendment (nt)  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:41 PM   #204 
     - President Kennedy has an M-16 full automatic circa 1960's and is a true assault rifle.  gordianot   Nov-27-08 10:03 PM   #118 
  - I sympathize with your views...  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:38 PM   #203 
  - what an appallingly useless bit of drivel  frogcycle   Nov-27-08 09:42 PM   #96 
  - Please note, many of the thread starters in this forum, come from Florida  DainBramaged   Nov-27-08 09:44 PM   #98 
     - So what is wrong with Florida???  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 09:58 PM   #113 
     - Please note, many of the persons replying here own computers  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-27-08 10:25 PM   #129 
     - Many gun owning Democrats live in Florida...  spin   Nov-28-08 03:50 PM   #175 
     - Taking on the whole state? It went for Obama. How'd your's do? (nt)  SteveM   Nov-30-08 01:43 PM   #205 
  - Some more info from a wise member here...  rangersmith82   Nov-27-08 10:30 PM   #130 
  - As an educated man, he will never say  NCevilDUer   Nov-27-08 11:34 PM   #137 
  - Because the 2010 elections would be way too easy otherwise.  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-27-08 11:38 PM   #138 
  - Because it is the easiest gun ban to enact.  wartrace   Nov-28-08 08:07 AM   #147 
  - Thank god for the Heller vs DC decision  rangersmith82   Nov-28-08 09:04 AM   #150 
     - I am sure ANY gun ban will make its way to the supreme court.  wartrace   Nov-28-08 09:13 AM   #153 
  - Well still no good reasons yet..I will ask again....  rangersmith82   Nov-28-08 09:23 AM   #157 
  - Because we *know* why the Gulf of Tonkin Gun Ban of 1994 failed  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-28-08 04:07 PM   #177 
  - I'm with you  Xela   Nov-30-08 10:55 PM   #206 
  - Talk is Cheap...  Mad_Cow_Disease   Dec-01-08 12:30 PM   #208 

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