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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. Will you people make up your goddamned minds?
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 01:04 PM by iverglas


There are TWO SEPARATE ISSUES in this ongoing nonsense.

(1) Is/was Democratic Party firearms policy good/bad, right/wrong because it loses elections?

(2) Is/was Democratic Party firearms policy good/bad, right/wrong on its merits?

They are TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

A policy may be good/bad, right/wrong because it loses elections -- but THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING as a policy being good/bad, right/wrong on its merits.

The two discussions are DIFFERENT.


If you are going to argue that Democratic Party firearms policy is good/bad, right/wrong because it loses elections, ARGUE THAT POINT. The MERITS of the policy are NOT RELEVANT to that point.

If you are going to argue that Democratic Party firearms policy is good/bad, right/wrong on its merits, ARGUE THAT POINT. Whether that policy LOSES ELECTIONS is NOT RELEVANT to that point.


This:

Wow! You mean the NRA called the administration on anti-firearm policy? Shocking.
The NRA didn't make the issue. They simply called attention to it. And rightfully so.


is just more conflation (the conflation identified in my italics) of the two issues identified above, PLUS the third and real issue: that the Democratic Party did not lose elections because its firearms policy is good/bad, right/wrong on its merits, or because that policy loses elections. The party lost because of A CONCERTED CAMPAIGN against it, led by the NRA, that DECEITFULLY MADE the merits of the policy an issue in some voters' minds.

Those comments can also hardly be interpreted as anything but a statement that it was good that the Democrats lost the elections in question.


Bill Clinton, for example, has NEVER SAID that Democratic Party firearms policy is bad or wrong.

He has also NEVER SAID that Democratic Party firearms policy lost an election.

He said that THE NRA-DRIVEN BACKLASH to the policy lost an election.

If you choose not to acknowledge that these things are all different, you choose your own public image.



typos fixed

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